hey aspies, try harder to find out about NTs

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22 Jan 2012, 7:52 pm

I've been trying super hard to understand NT's, but I just don't. They are interested in things that I'm not interested in. They are also trying to take advantage of me at every turn because they can. I haven't yet figured out how to fix that. I guess I have to understand myself better before I can even attempt to learn about NT's.



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22 Jan 2012, 8:42 pm

The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
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It's them who need to learn more about us, not the other way around, IMHO.


Nah, we're the minority. We have the problem, not them.


But many of us can't overcome the problem. The only thing that can help us with our problem is that the majority learns to accept us the way we are.

I really don't want to generalize NTs and I usually hate us/them dividers. But in this case, I have to agree with emtyeye. Every person with normal social instincts who looks at me either sees a mentally handicapped person or a creep and acts accordingly. I can't change that on my end. Cthulhu knows I've tried, but I've only become less socially functional due to negative social feedback and lack of understanding. Society needs to be made aware of ASDs and taught to spot the telltale signs, or simply become more accepting towards neurodiverse people in general.


Edit: I mean, I agree with emtyeye. I confused two names there.



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22 Jan 2012, 8:52 pm

Find out what about NTs?



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22 Jan 2012, 9:11 pm

I agree with crazy cat and cockney rebel. I have spent many many years trying to learn about NTs, and fit in with them. I wouldn't say I've failed miserably, but I've certainly not succeeded.

It takes a lot of energy out of me. In the end I still get taken advantage of, and am sometimes lucky if people tolerate me, let alone like me. This is not all people , but certainly a large chunk of them
I've fairly recently stopped trying so hard - and stopped being the totally responsible ,totally dependable, totally agreeable person that people would like - because they don't- they just take advantage.

NT's need to learn not only about us, but about different disabilities, different cultures, etc, and accept that one size does not fit all and the world isn't restricted to their personal experiences.

I've done it for decades. It's their turn. Yes, I'm having a bad day. :wink:



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22 Jan 2012, 9:11 pm

emtyeye wrote:
It's them who need to learn more about us, not the other way around, IMHO.



I think both groups need to learn about each other. If you refuse to learn more about them you are just as guilty as they are for not trying to understand you.


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22 Jan 2012, 9:12 pm

I can say that i agree with the point the OP made completely. To quote Genghis Khan "understand to conquer, conquer to survive". And a philosophical thing i once heard "knowledge doesn't imply action". You don't need to like NT's, you don't need to trust them, be friends with them, or interact with them. Just understand them, because they are the majority, and therefore the money comes from them. It takes a minority to rule the majority. That means we are eligible to become the leaders of our society if we choose to understand the people and culture we live in. That doesn't imply that we partake in it, just know it and leave it.



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22 Jan 2012, 10:45 pm

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Find out what about NTs?


I'm getting pretty sick of this "nts suk omg their so mean XD XD!1!!1" attitude that's prevalent on these forums. You know most NT's aren't these evil little bastards we all make them out to be, right? We all face hardships, whether we are normal or not, so we all just gotta deal with it, no matter how hard it may be. Much respect to the OP for encouraging an attitude of positiveness with our fellow NT's.



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22 Jan 2012, 10:57 pm

Kein_Mitleid wrote:
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Find out what about NTs?


I'm getting pretty sick of this "nts suk omg their so mean XD XD!1! !1" attitude that's prevalent on these forums. You know most NT's aren't these evil little bastards we all make them out to be, right? We all face hardships, whether we are normal or not, so we all just gotta deal with it, no matter how hard it may be. Much respect to the OP for encouraging an attitude of positiveness with our fellow NT's.


Huh?! What in the world does this have to do with what I posted? I think you are reading something into my post that is not there.

The title of this thread is nonsensical. What are we supposed to find out about NTs?



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22 Jan 2012, 10:58 pm

dianthus wrote:
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dianthus wrote:
Find out what about NTs?


I'm getting pretty sick of this "nts suk omg their so mean XD XD!1! !1" attitude that's prevalent on these forums. You know most NT's aren't these evil little bastards we all make them out to be, right? We all face hardships, whether we are normal or not, so we all just gotta deal with it, no matter how hard it may be. Much respect to the OP for encouraging an attitude of positiveness with our fellow NT's.


Huh?! What in the world does this have to do with what I posted? I think you are reading something into my post that is not there.

The title of this thread is nonsensical. What are we supposed to find out about NTs?


You implied that NT's have no good points.



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22 Jan 2012, 11:00 pm

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You implied that NT's have no good points.


No, I did not. You misread my post. Stop being so reactionary, and you might understand that.



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22 Jan 2012, 11:01 pm

dianthus wrote:
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You implied that NT's have no good points.


No, I did not. You misread my post. Stop being so reactionary, and you might understand that.


Should've been less vague with the word "what" then.

One could make a multiple amount of conclusions from your post due to the way you worded it.



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22 Jan 2012, 11:07 pm

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One could make a multiple amount of conclusions from your post due to the way you worded it.


You saw what you wanted to see.



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22 Jan 2012, 11:07 pm

CrazyCatLord wrote:
The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
emtyeye wrote:
It's them who need to learn more about us, not the other way around, IMHO.


Nah, we're the minority. We have the problem, not them.


But many of us can't overcome the problem. The only thing that can help us with our problem is that the majority learns to accept us the way we are.

I really don't want to generalize NTs and I usually hate us/them dividers. But in this case, I have to agree with emtyeye. Every person with normal social instincts who looks at me either sees a mentally handicapped person or a creep and acts accordingly. I can't change that on my end. Cthulhu knows I've tried, but I've only become less socially functional due to negative social feedback and lack of understanding. Society needs to be made aware of ASDs and taught to spot the telltale signs, or simply become more accepting towards neurodiverse people in general.


Edit: I mean, I agree with emtyeye. I confused two names there.


Approximately 1% of the population can't walk a quarter mile without the use of a mobility device (wheelchair, scooter, etc). Since they're the minority they have the problem, not the majority who can walk. Clearly, ramps are superfluous and wheelchair users should provide their own solutions to get into homes and businesses.

^^^^^

Satire

Some facts:

Approximately 2.6% of the population is visually impaired. .6% were blind.

That's even lower than autistic people - guess we don't need braille on signs anymore.

About 2-4 of every thousand people in the US are functionally deaf. 9-22 out of every thousand people have severe hearing impairment. This is significantly lower than the number of autistic people. Might be time to get rid of ASL interpreters, close captioning, DVD subtitling, etc. because their population is so tiny that they're the problem, not the majority.

My point being that arguing from statistics is nonsense. Sure, there are only ~1% autistic people, but this is actually pretty close to a lot of other disabilities and a higher rate than some, and yet there aren't enough of us to justify accommodation? It's not any more accurate when John Elder Robison says it.



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22 Jan 2012, 11:09 pm

I have become satisfied with being myself. It took me many years to better learn who I was (2008 when I was diagnosed with AS) and I am content with that. My journey has just begun in my understanding of me. I have no desire to learn the NT world---it took me long enough to learn me. And I am happy remaining in my world. Besides, I am not in competition to determine who is better than who. As long as I am satisfied, that is what matters to me. And my family is happy with me. I very rarely socialize outside of my family, and that's the way I like it.


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22 Jan 2012, 11:33 pm

Why take a large group (NT's) and ask us to understand them, when every NT is different. With different interests, wants, needs, etc. It would seem hard to find out about neurotypical. Understand people how? What should I be finding out about this large group of random individuals we call NT?



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22 Jan 2012, 11:40 pm

Kein_Mitleid wrote:
dianthus wrote:
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Find out what about NTs?


I'm getting pretty sick of this "nts suk omg their so mean XD XD!1! !1" attitude that's prevalent on these forums. You know most NT's aren't these evil little bastards we all make them out to be, right? We all face hardships, whether we are normal or not, so we all just gotta deal with it, no matter how hard it may be. Much respect to the OP for encouraging an attitude of positiveness with our fellow NT's.


Huh?! What in the world does this have to do with what I posted? I think you are reading something into my post that is not there.

The title of this thread is nonsensical. What are we supposed to find out about NTs?


You implied that NT's have no good points.


I was under the impression that dianthus was criticizing (or was puzzled by) the sentence structure of the thread title. I have to agree that "find out about NTs" is syntactically a bit awkward. I'm somehow missing an object. But I guess it could be read as "inform yourself / learn about NTs". Personally, I would add an "all" if that was the intended meaning: Find out all about NTs.