The ultimate online Apergers quiz: DSM IV

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22 Jan 2012, 9:17 pm

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Ganondox, what do you think is the difference between AS and ADHD? I saw another post where I think you said some of the same genes are attributed to both.


Well for one thing the actual diagnosis criteria are completely different, not contradictory, just different, I think. I haven't actually looked at the DSM-IV for ADHD.


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22 Jan 2012, 9:36 pm

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III.The disturbance causes clinically significant impairments in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.


To me, it looks like the Asperger criteria fits in some way.

But the headed quote does not apply.

Overtime, I've looked at many ADD posts, and I can find the behaviors, somewhat enough, in the anecdotes there. A little Puzzling. Maybe we have an expression of the Broader Autism Phenotypes in these separate accounts, or the cognitive effects generate the behavior.

I've seen some of these folks query the same.

I suppose it could be distilled down to BAP, if you knew the quantity of the similar behaviors vs. non-behavior, expressed as a significant quantifiable gap.

GAP=BAP



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22 Jan 2012, 10:24 pm

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III.The disturbance causes clinically significant impairments in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.


My wife and I went over the Aperger criteria, and most of it fits in some way.

But the headed qoute does not apply.

Overtime, I've looked at many ADD posts, and I can find the behaviors, somewhat enough, in the anecdotes there. A little Puzzling. Maybe we have an expression of the Broader Autism Phenotypes in these separate accounts, or the cognitive effects generate the behavior.

I've seen some of these folks query the same.

I suppose it could be distilled down to BAP, if you knew the quantity of the similar behaviors vs. non-behavior, expressed as a significant quantifiable gap.

GAP=BAP


The unfortunate thing for me is that III actually hits me deeper than I like to admit... I may be reading into that part but there are secrets that I have that fit into III... Its my quite part of my personal impairments that I often beat myself up for rather than considering them something that might have to do with how my brain is built... I am definitely not ready to let autistic traits be excuses for that stuff... but still its something that fits in III for me very deeply...


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22 Jan 2012, 11:18 pm

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The unfortunate thing for me is that III actually hits me deeper than I like to admit... I may be reading into that part but there are secrets that I have that fit into III... Its my quite part of my personal impairments that I often beat myself up for rather than considering them something that might have to do with how my brain is built... I am definitely not ready to let autistic traits be excuses for that stuff... but still its something that fits in III for me very deeply...


That's the trick that had me pyrited into my fools gold of an 'Asperger Undiagnosed.' The executive dysfunction part of inattentive ADHD is similar to Aspergers, with some differences, but it is "significant" in and of itself.

I'm sure I dont meet III within the 299. 80 criteria, but I am now exploring an expression of BAP, or the above phenomenon as the cause of a mild 299. 80.

As the adage goes: Time alone will answer these questions.



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23 Jan 2012, 4:20 pm

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I used to think I was good with reading facial expressions too but I found out difficulty with them also means having a hard time interpreting them. If you have to ask what that facial expression means or why they have that look, then you have difficulty reading/understanding them.


I realized that I don't even look at other's eyes. I look at their mouths. Even on TV.



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23 Jan 2012, 5:49 pm

I am also in the reading phase.. Not quite every post, but it feels like it :). I was diagnosed with in attentive ADD, certain aspects of that diagnosis I wasn't comfortable with and provided no explanation for some of my other issues.

I have done a lot of reading now on add and aspergers. It's surprising how many (if not all) of the same features are there, but described or attributed to different disorders. It's surprising how adder specific forums talk of the same issues with eye contact and fidgeting..

Much of it seems to be how the person deals with their respective disorder and to the outsider how these symptoms are then expressed and perceived.

Perhaps if during my first days of school (age 4) I was not reprimanded severely for fighting - I wasn't as it happens, I was sat on a bench making sun flashes, while 4 kids were fighting nearby - I might have been more inclined to defend myself throughout school against bullying.. Might I have gone the other way and been far more physically disruptive and agressive? The expression could have been hyperactivity and disruption.. I learned flight - well hide - rather than fight, then never learned from that mistake..

That's only a personal theory, but seems to be supported by the idea that add and asd behaviours can be managed or "out grown" through interventions and support. Different early coping mechanisms or environmental influences result in manifestations of symptoms. Hyperactivity perhaps was just more visible and so identified earlier by the clinicians?

Fascinating reading.. I must confess to an obsessive interest in this subject..

JT

P.s hi



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23 Jan 2012, 6:03 pm

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I was diagnosed with in attentive ADD, certain aspects of that diagnosis I wasn't comfortable with and provided no explanation for some of my other issues.


Welcome to the forum. That is pretty much the same situation I'm in. I was diagnosed with predominately inattentive ADHD. It explained a lot, but it has never explained everything about me. I am just trying to fill in those missing pieces to figure myself out.



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23 Jan 2012, 8:43 pm

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Welcome JT :) I agree, it's an interesting thing to read up about. I imagine if I didn't relate so much that I wouldn't be as interested.


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