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24 Jan 2012, 11:44 am

the posters before me pretty much said everything i was thinking. whether or not he has AS is not really relevant, especially since he will not consent to a diagnosis anyway. counselling will help you - as people said, you might be going alone but it will help you get the strength to make some hard decisions. there is lots of free counselling available if you go through your local crisis centre and ask around from there.

essentially, what you are experiencing from him sounds like escalating abuse (emotional/physical/verbal). if he doesn't get any sort of counselling or meds or other kinds of help, there is really not much chance he will improve on his own. he may be depressed, he may have AS, he may have any number of problems. but if he doesn't get any support for those problems it doesn't really matter. he may or may not be able to work, but that doesn't excuse him from all responsibilities.

you are best of taking care of yourself and your child and establishing a nurturing environment that is free from any abuse. you
may need to think hard about whether you can establish that environment with your husband in the picture.


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24 Jan 2012, 12:03 pm

Well I would say he should maybe look into some help for those anger issues, it's not cool he gets that rough with you but it's you're relationship so if you want to stay in it I would maybe talk to him about that because even if he is stressed he needs to be careful not to do anything stupid that would cause harm to you or the child.

As for the job thing, getting a job can be much easier said than done especially for people on the spectrum.......I mean if the agreement is he's going to be the one earning income for the most part and that is the only way you are ok with he should get a job. But maybe there is room for compromise.....do you like working? I mean there would be nothing wrong with him staying home and doing the house work and taking care of the kid while you work........but if you don't feel that's ideal or that you could not earn enough what about maybe both of you working? I mean it could be he's too overwhelmed with the idea keeping the house, keeping everyone fed ect is all on him.

But yeah I don't really know because I have never been in that situation.


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24 Jan 2012, 12:31 pm

Pick up the phone yourself, dial the temp agency then put the phone in his hand.

My dad did that to his sister after she kept putting off going to nursing school. As a result of that little intervention she had a great career as a nurse. I know it's not the same situation but it's something that can work out well.

Pulling you off the couch in the way he did is ASSAULT pure and simple. You cannot have your daughter around that kind of behavior. Threaten him that if he ever does something like that again that you will call the police. Court mandated anger management may be the only way he goes.


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24 Jan 2012, 12:34 pm

169Kitty wrote:
Pick up the phone yourself, dial the temp agency then put the phone in his hand.

My dad did that to his sister after she kept putting off going to nursing school. As a result of that little intervention she had a great career as a nurse. I know it's not the same situation but it's something that can work out well.


Is a temp agency always the best option for someone on the spectrum?...then again it was unclear if that was the case or not, but just saying if he is in fact on the spectrum dialing a number and handing him a phone out of the blue is likely to make things worse. I know if someone did that to me I would probably freak out and quickly hang up and would be lucky if I was able to calm myself in 10 minutes.


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24 Jan 2012, 12:36 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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Pick up the phone yourself, dial the temp agency then put the phone in his hand.

My dad did that to his sister after she kept putting off going to nursing school. As a result of that little intervention she had a great career as a nurse. I know it's not the same situation but it's something that can work out well.


Is a temp agency always the best option for someone on the spectrum?...then again it was unclear if that was the case or not, but just saying if he is in fact on the spectrum dialing a number and handing him a phone out of the blue is likely to make things worse. I know if someone did that to me I would probably freak out and quickly hang up and would be lucky if I was able to calm myself in 10 minutes.


He has done it before and he has been a successful teacher. It's not like she'd be doing it to someone who has never done it before.


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24 Jan 2012, 12:40 pm

169Kitty wrote:
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169Kitty wrote:
Pick up the phone yourself, dial the temp agency then put the phone in his hand.

My dad did that to his sister after she kept putting off going to nursing school. As a result of that little intervention she had a great career as a nurse. I know it's not the same situation but it's something that can work out well.


Is a temp agency always the best option for someone on the spectrum?...then again it was unclear if that was the case or not, but just saying if he is in fact on the spectrum dialing a number and handing him a phone out of the blue is likely to make things worse. I know if someone did that to me I would probably freak out and quickly hang up and would be lucky if I was able to calm myself in 10 minutes.


He has done it before and he has been a successful teacher. It's not like she'd be doing it to someone who has never done it before.


I don't think most temp agencies offer teaching jobs, I thought that was mostly hard labor......which is quite a bit different then teaching and quite a bit more dangerous. Also what I was getting at is handing an autistic person a phone that's already dialing out of the blue is probably a terrible idea......not that he can't handle making the call at all. I myself have to usually mentally prepare myself for a few minutes before I can bring myself to make calls like that.


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24 Jan 2012, 12:43 pm

Temp agencies handle all kinds of jobs, not just hard labor.



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24 Jan 2012, 12:48 pm

Verdandi wrote:
Temp agencies handle all kinds of jobs, not just hard labor.


Teaching jobs?


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24 Jan 2012, 12:52 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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Temp agencies handle all kinds of jobs, not just hard labor.


Teaching jobs?


I believe substitute teachers are handled through the school district. I was mostly mentioning because you said you thought they were mostly hard labor. I've actually done a fair amount of temp office work.



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24 Jan 2012, 12:54 pm

I've seen school districts handle substitute teachers in different ways most are through the school district though. I did substitute paraprofessional work through a temp agency. It would be a lower pressure option.


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24 Jan 2012, 1:06 pm

teachers can do lots of other jobs, like office assistant, teaching assistant, program manager, child care worker, retail clerk, sales agent, call centre worker, etc. i have been working for the government in a call centre since i left teaching.


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24 Jan 2012, 2:06 pm

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I don't think most temp agencies offer teaching jobs, I thought that was mostly hard labor......


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24 Jan 2012, 3:02 pm

Verdandi wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
Temp agencies handle all kinds of jobs, not just hard labor.


Teaching jobs?


I believe substitute teachers are handled through the school district. I was mostly mentioning because you said you thought they were mostly hard labor. I've actually done a fair amount of temp office work.


Well I could list a number of reasons temp office work could prove to be far too difficult for someone, but I'm not really trying to debate too much cause I'm kinda pissed about something else today...but yeah I just thought it was mostly hard labor type work and that someone comfortable with teaching would not be so good at that the same could probably prove true for office work but I'm just an outside observer to this situation.



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24 Jan 2012, 11:38 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Well I could list a number of reasons temp office work could prove to be far too difficult for someone, but I'm not really trying to debate too much cause I'm kinda pissed about something else today...but yeah I just thought it was mostly hard labor type work and that someone comfortable with teaching would not be so good at that the same could probably prove true for office work but I'm just an outside observer to this situation.


Well, I don't know whether it would be any better for the OP's husband than anything else would be - just that there are more options than hard labor.

I rather agree with what Hyperlexian and others said about the situation, however:

Hyperlexian wrote:
the posters before me pretty much said everything i was thinking. whether or not he has AS is not really relevant, especially since he will not consent to a diagnosis anyway. counselling will help you - as people said, you might be going alone but it will help you get the strength to make some hard decisions. there is lots of free counselling available if you go through your local crisis centre and ask around from there.

essentially, what you are experiencing from him sounds like escalating abuse (emotional/physical/verbal). if he doesn't get any sort of counselling or meds or other kinds of help, there is really not much chance he will improve on his own. he may be depressed, he may have AS, he may have any number of problems. but if he doesn't get any support for those problems it doesn't really matter. he may or may not be able to work, but that doesn't excuse him from all responsibilities.

you are best of taking care of yourself and your child and establishing a nurturing environment that is free from any abuse. you
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24 Jan 2012, 11:44 pm

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teachers can do lots of other jobs, like office assistant, teaching assistant, program manager, child care worker, retail clerk, sales agent, call centre worker, etc. i have been working for the government in a call centre since i left teaching.


I don't doubt many teachers can do lots of other jobs......I also don't doubt that some of them would not be so good in other fields.


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24 Jan 2012, 11:49 pm

Verdandi wrote:
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Well I could list a number of reasons temp office work could prove to be far too difficult for someone, but I'm not really trying to debate too much cause I'm kinda pissed about something else today...but yeah I just thought it was mostly hard labor type work and that someone comfortable with teaching would not be so good at that the same could probably prove true for office work but I'm just an outside observer to this situation.


Well, I don't know whether it would be any better for the OP's husband than anything else would be - just that there are more options than hard labor.

I rather agree with what Hyperlexian and others said about the situation, however:

Hyperlexian wrote:
the posters before me pretty much said everything i was thinking. whether or not he has AS is not really relevant, especially since he will not consent to a diagnosis anyway. counselling will help you - as people said, you might be going alone but it will help you get the strength to make some hard decisions. there is lots of free counselling available if you go through your local crisis centre and ask around from there.

essentially, what you are experiencing from him sounds like escalating abuse (emotional/physical/verbal). if he doesn't get any sort of counselling or meds or other kinds of help, there is really not much chance he will improve on his own. he may be depressed, he may have AS, he may have any number of problems. but if he doesn't get any support for those problems it doesn't really matter. he may or may not be able to work, but that doesn't excuse him from all responsibilities.

you are best of taking care of yourself and your child and establishing a nurturing environment that is free from any abuse. you
may need to think hard about whether you can establish that environment with your husband in the picture.


Well I kind of disagree but agree with some points because first of it actually is relevant if he has AS or possibly even another disorder or not even if he refuses an official diagnoses. There were not enough details for me to determine if there was legitimate abuse going on so I don't want to jump to that conclusion unless it truly is the case it was just not clear to me in the OP. Also if he is truly unable to work that kind of would excuse him from the responsibility of earning most of the families income because you kind of have to be able to work to do that.

If there is abuse I do agree with the second paragraph and think the OP should get away from him.........if not I think sometimes compromises are good like the examples I gave before. It does not always have to be 'mom stays at home and does house work while dad goes out and works'. if both parties agree that is how it will be then there is no problem but based on the OP it kinda sounded like they aren't so much on the same page about that.


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