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For those with Dx or self Dx: Do you have an occipital bun?
Yes, I have an occipital bun. 55%  55%  [ 29 ]
No, I do not have an occipital bun. 21%  21%  [ 11 ]
What the heck is an occipital bun? 25%  25%  [ 13 ]
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11 Feb 2012, 8:17 pm

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I don't believe I do and I'm not going to shave my head to find out.


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11 Feb 2012, 9:18 pm

Page with comparison here( link( with music)).

Picture of a typical modern human skull.

I have a bun.


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11 Feb 2012, 9:25 pm

^ Ah ok, so it's like a less extreme version of the Alien alien's head.

The back of my head is flat, so I guess I don't have that.

So, is this part of that neanderthal theory?



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11 Feb 2012, 10:48 pm

Apple_in_my_Eye wrote:
^ Ah ok, so it's like a less extreme version of the Alien alien's head.

The back of my head is flat, so I guess I don't have that.

So, is this part of that neanderthal theory?


It would be more relevant to poll if any people without neanderthal dna have a bun, but it might not be any less scientific.


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11 Feb 2012, 11:15 pm

I don't know. I have little bumps on the back of my head, but I am not sure if that counts or if everyone has bumps on the back of their head, you can't see them, you can only feel them.



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12 Feb 2012, 12:07 am

fleurdelily wrote:
here, allow me to post a shortcut to illumination .... :arrow: what the heck is an occipital bun? :?: and you can change my answer to "no." TY :lol:


Go back and vote No twice to cancel your other vote out??


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17 Feb 2012, 11:49 am

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I had a pork bun for lunch. Does that count?


I think that is called an "intestinal" bun. But I'll have to check Grey's Anatomy to be sure.(':lol:')


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17 Feb 2012, 5:17 pm

Got one.



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18 Feb 2012, 1:59 am

I do, but what's the big deal?


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18 Feb 2012, 3:51 am

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How can you tell if you have one?


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18 Feb 2012, 3:57 am

In archaic ancestors it is associated with robust species with broad faces. In modern man it is associated with long, narrow faces and relatively large brains.

For archaic ancestors the purpose has been associated as an adaptive mechanism for running with a protuding face, in opposition to the flatter faces of modern man.

In modern man it is associated with space for a relatively large brain housed in a narrow cranial base.

Are people with Aspergers more likely to have narrow faces and occipital buns?

One could look through the pictures of individuals that post here to try to determine the narrow face part, from an anecdotal perspective.

Interestingly, that type of face (dolichocephalic) has been has been associated with trustworthiness in males, and lower levels of testosterone, whereas a broad face is associated with higher levels of testosterone and aggresion. Also interesting that lower IQ test results are associated with very low levels of testosterone as well as very high levels of testosterone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occipital_bun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolicocephalic

http://www.livescience.com/6169-guy-trustworthy.htm

To suggest that there is any structural similarities between the occipital buns in modern humans and the occipital buns in Neanderthals is counterintuitive, because it is associated with robust features in archaic man, and associated with domesticated features in modern man.

The San Bushman are measured as having no Neanderthal DNA, however they have narrow faces, relatively large brains, are slight of body, and are known to be in the minority of humans that still possess an occipital bun.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/2902neanderthals.html

Long faces are also associated with the Nordic master race myth that led to all kinds of problems last century, and still linger in Supremacy groups.

Interesting description from the early 20th century, when the idea was well known and accepted.

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Among all the disputes and uncertainties of the ethnographers about the races of Europe, one fact stands out clearly — namely, that we can distinguish a race of northerly distribution and origin, characterized physically by fair colour of hair and skin and eyes, by tall stature and dolichocephaly (i.e. long shape of head), and mentally by great independence of character, individual initiative, and tenacity of will. Many names have been used to denote this type, ... . It is also called the Nordic type.[46]


This mythical race was identified within the geography of historical Northern Europeans, identified as having Occipital Buns.

It's interesting how many association one can come up with, with this kind of thing.



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18 Feb 2012, 4:50 am

No. Another ''physical trait'' I don't have.


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18 Feb 2012, 7:11 am

artrat wrote:
How can you tell if you have one?


Feel the back of the top of your head. Does it bulge out (like a little bun) or is it relatively flat? If it bulges, that is what is called an occipital bun. It is in the occipital (visual) area of the brain, I think, so therefore the name.

I don't know what it means, except that Neanderthal had this anatomical feature. I always felt strange about having one, figuring it must have meant I was stupid, like a Neanderthal. Now I read new research about Neanderthal and that they were not so stupid at all and a possible link to Autism genes and discover I am Aspie and I'm curious rather than self-deprecating about this odd feature of my crainial anatomy, so I started this link to see if others on the spectrum have it or have information about it.

As someone else above said, this poll is not well designed and may be biased toward those who have one or know what it is. So it's just a start.


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18 Feb 2012, 7:16 am

Well, um, I'm used to my head being just the way it is, but I do have a big head like the guy in the picture. So possibly.


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18 Feb 2012, 7:53 am

Yes, I do. My skull shape also resembles that of stereotypical Neanderthal images.



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18 Feb 2012, 8:26 am

aghogday wrote:
Interesting description from the early 20th century, when the idea was well known and accepted.

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Among all the disputes and uncertainties of the ethnographers about the races of Europe, one fact stands out clearly — namely, that we can distinguish a race of northerly distribution and origin, characterized physically by fair colour of hair and skin and eyes, by tall stature and dolichocephaly (i.e. long shape of head), and mentally by great independence of character, individual initiative, and tenacity of will. Many names have been used to denote this type, ... . It is also called the Nordic type.[46]


This mythical race was identified within the geography of historical Northern Europeans, identified as having Occipital Buns.

I am not mythical, and fit that description. That is all.


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