How Would You Describe Your Social Separateness?

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13 Feb 2012, 3:10 pm

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I am a hermit, by choice, and by Aspy circumstance. I have never bonded or connected to anyone, including family. I have heard and read it described, and I see people act like they have a bond to someone, but I have no idea what that would feel like.

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I find being a hermit--living alone--is better for me than living with others. My life is relatively peaceful now that I live alone, and far less stressful. I never want to live with others again!

That pretty much describes me as well, though I do have a few friends. I worked out the other day that I have had less than 10 different people in my house in the last 12 years. As far as bonding is concerned, I have a couple of good friends but that is it. I can understand love as an abstract concept but I don't think I have ever experienced it. I visit family when I have to but I don't feel any real connection with them.

Although I tend to isolate myself I can deal with people without major trouble as long as there aren't too many at once. Groups are just too confusing. My idea of hell:
Going on a blind date to a loud club with a big group of my date's friends. :wall: :help:

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In my case, I have decided that my always seeking solitude must be due to having a schizoid personality, which is really just another name for being really, really hermit-like and so doesn't exactly explain anything.

There are a lot of similarities betwen ASD and SPD. I wondered about that myself. However Asperger's is a better fit for me if you include the other things like face blindness, processing delay, need for routines, special interests etc.


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13 Feb 2012, 4:55 pm

I think also my mood swings can make me feel seperated from other people. I sometimes feel like a surly teenager, only now I can't get away with it because I'm nearly 22 and I should have grown out of that stage by now, so of course I get criticised for acting like a surly teenager - which actually makes me worse.

I know everybody can get in moods, but I seem to get in the wrong moods at the wrong times. Like when I'm at a shopping centre, I feel really irritable and snappy, and when I'm with someone like my mum, I pull a huffy expression when she wants to look at the clothes, and I just follow her around looking really bored and uninterested, while other young girls are enjoying themselves looking at the clothes, because that it typically where most women like be. I have got girls looking at me funny before because I was standing there looking really angry and bored in a clothes shop. I regreted it after that, and wished I had just been happy and looked interested in the clothes, then they wouldn't have looked at me like that.

Also I start getting irritable when I'm out anywhere. I start complaining and huffing and walking off, and people look at me and just sigh. I try to promise myself I won't behave that way, but at the time I can't seem to help it. A thick cloud comes into my head what makes my mind shut down and causes me to become disorientated and irritable. I really hate being like that, because it does seperate me from the social world.


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13 Feb 2012, 5:40 pm

I think I've become less socially seperate recently. It was really bad when I was a small child because I didnt like any stranger-contact at all, I'd cry if my mum took me to a public place and would find it difficult to engage with other kids my age. I seem to prefer adult company, though I've always enjoyed my own company the most. In my family I'm known as a 'recluse' because I spend most of the day in my bedroom, and hardly ever go out.

I'm told that im old for my age, only because I don't really go out and 'enjoy' myself. I go to college and hear other students talking about the last party they went to, or about how they cant wait until the next party. . . As Syd Barrett puts it "I think young people should have a lot of fun, but I never seem to have any" ... So, Im afraid I might grow up to regret not having that social benefit.


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13 Feb 2012, 5:47 pm

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I think also my mood swings can make me feel seperated from other people. I sometimes feel like a surly teenager, only now I can't get away with it because I'm nearly 22 and I should have grown out of that stage by now, so of course I get criticised for acting like a surly teenager - which actually makes me worse.

I know everybody can get in moods, but I seem to get in the wrong moods at the wrong times. Like when I'm at a shopping centre, I feel really irritable and snappy, and when I'm with someone like my mum, I pull a huffy expression when she wants to look at the clothes, and I just follow her around looking really bored and uninterested, while other young girls are enjoying themselves looking at the clothes, because that it typically where most women like be. I have got girls looking at me funny before because I was standing there looking really angry and bored in a clothes shop. I regreted it after that, and wished I had just been happy and looked interested in the clothes, then they wouldn't have looked at me like that.

Also I start getting irritable when I'm out anywhere. I start complaining and huffing and walking off, and people look at me and just sigh. I try to promise myself I won't behave that way, but at the time I can't seem to help it. A thick cloud comes into my head what makes my mind shut down and causes me to become disorientated and irritable. I really hate being like that, because it does seperate me from the social world.

I'm like that when shopping with my mum too. Alone I do much better because I can go where I like for as long as I like. I just hate having to rely on people, unless they're like me - go into a shopping centre with the intent to buy a specific item or items and then get out.

You remind me a lot of how I was at 22. I still wanted to fit in and was becoming aware of my differences and it was causing anxiety.


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13 Feb 2012, 9:57 pm

I feel as if I am surrounded by mindless zombies, or puppets, and the only way I can interact with them is to pretend to be a mindless zombified puppet too.



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13 Feb 2012, 10:01 pm

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A chance to enjoy my special interests and my own company. :)


So perfectly put, mind if I copyright? :P



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13 Feb 2012, 10:22 pm

I tend to tune people out. I don't really notice people unless something strange happens, like if one does something I don't understand. Sometimes I notice clothes or hair but their faces, more often than not, blend in and if two people have the same color hair and look somewhat alike, sometimes, it's hard to differentiate and I confuse them. It just depends.



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14 Feb 2012, 6:16 pm

RazorEddie wrote:
:wall: :help:


This is how I feel when I think I'm doing okay and then something suddenly goes awry. It actually happened last night, during a conversation I was having.

I think being in the SCA has unnaturally prolonged some friendships for me, especially since I go to stuff with my girlfriend. We both like what we're doing well enough, and I sometimes go to things she wants to go to, even when I don't feel like doing it for myself. In the past, I've changed social environments often. But we joined the SCA about a year after we became a couple, and we've been in it ever since. However, it's a large group, so I haven't hung out with the same primary group of people within it the whole time. Also, because of the nature of it, a lot of what's involved in socializing either isn't an issue or sort of happens on its own. (For example, I don't have to feel as social if I'm engaged in an activity that takes up attention, and I don't have to plan a social interaction if I just go to a practice, meeting, or event and go with whatever happens when I get there.

My girlfriend is also the only person in the world I can actually live with. I feel fine about it, and I'm amazed she's been able to put up with me this long. We both feel we're not easy to live with, but somehow we work well as a team and don't seem to get on each other's nerves too much. Our mutual need for alone time works well for us. So, there you go, I guess.


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14 Feb 2012, 10:11 pm

Like i'm in a fog.

I like the description "like a radio tuning in and out" too

I look every where but the person I'm speaking/listening to, then I get distracted by something, tell myself off and make sure I'm looking at them, only to get distracted by the fact I'm looking at them.

Usually I miss something they say or I forget what I was saying. Last few days have been really bad for it :oops:


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14 Feb 2012, 10:17 pm

'Autism' is simply an internal human 'normality' with the volume turned up. We all have experienced moments when we aren't quite aware or when we are too aware to handle the world. Or moments when we aren't quite aware of the company we are in or so overly aware of it that it gets hard to function. We all have had times when we've had hardly any awareness of our bodies, even been out of them, or felt so in, weighed down by them, that we become hypercritical, eager to escape, tune out, or disappear. We have all had times when we've lost the plot, the why, the what or been distracted by the meta-reality inside our heads to the extent that we are suddenly jolted out of a daydream. So too, have we all had moments when we have been so aware that we have taken things in ... almost overwhelming, extreme detail. For me, the experience of 'autism' is not any of these things in themselves, but rather the frequency and extremity with which they are experienced and the degree to which these experiences affect how one expresses oneself and relates to one's inner world and the outer world. It's a matter of whether you visit these states or whether you've lived there.

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14 Feb 2012, 10:51 pm

I feel disconnected from people. Occasionally I meet someone I connect with (mostly because they are as quirky as me), but it is very rare. I also find socialising (in the most part) to be incredibly boring...the endless small talk and gossip really does not interest me and when I want to talk about something I find interesting people usually tell me to shut up. When I do speak, people will often speak over me and despite having a very loud voice (that I have toned down a bit over the years because people thought I was shouting when I was not) I am not one of those people who others seem to hear (in other words, most of the time I may as well be talking to myself anyway).

I feel odd around others...I seem to think differently and I am quirky. I do sometimes feel social but don't fully understand the obsession most have with socialising. I don't really crave lots of friends, maybe one partner whom I am very close to and one very close friend (or maybe two) but I have no desire for lots of acquaintances and I don't enjoy making casual chit chat with strangers just for the sake of doing so. Sometimes someone I enjoy talking to comes along...and those people I enjoy the odd natter with, probably because I like them (or something about them).

I tend to prefer to do something useful with my time (such as pursuing my interests which are presently geology and evolution) rather than make endless pointless chitty chat about nothing of actual interest with people I don't know and am unlikely to talk to again (such as someone standing at a bus stop or at a party that I didn't really want to go to).

Small talk feels fake anyway! People ask you how you are but they don't want the real answer. They make obvious comments about the weather (such as how sunny or rainy it is) when you can quite clearly see what the weather is doing yourself, they give you irrelevant information such as when they need to do their washing (huh? the only time that might be of any remote interest to me is if it's in context and is related to a friend, or someone I like, or someone I love etc) and they gossip endlessly about what other people are doing with their personal lives (most of which is inaccurate anyway).

Try starting a conversation on rocks and geological processes and watch them run away...It's a great way to get some alone time lol.

Also when I am in hobby mode, it is hard for me to get my brain to change tracks. I cannot just switch modes unless I am prepared to do so or am ready to do so myself, so if people turn up unannounced that can pose problems for me as I feel they are interrupting me and I just want them to go away and come back another time when my social mode is switched on. Also sometimes people will stop and talk to me whilst I am out and about but I am busy in my own head pondering something. At those times I get annoyed as well because my thoughts are being disrupted by their nattering. The only time I don't mind my thoughts being disturbed is if it's an emergency and they need urgent help or support of some kind or need a vent because they are upset.

I tend to spend a lot of time living in my own world/head and I don't like to be jolted out of it by social interactions I am not in the mood for. If I feel like popping out of my own head though, I will, but jumping out of my own world in order to socialise can be exhausting, so I only like to do it for short periods of time. Their world confuses me and often does not make sense to me, my world does not confuse me and makes perfect sense even if others cannot understand it.

Their world is all about social game playing and my world is all about geology and evolution (or whatever my main interest is at the time), my own thought processes and musings and my own inner (often complex, but fantasy based) day dreams. I have always lived mostly in my own head, even as a child I was off in a world of my own somewhere rather than out and about connecting with people.

So in a nutshell, I feel bored, disconnected and odd around other humans...unless those humans are as strange as I can be...



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15 Feb 2012, 6:29 am

The whole "wall of glass" between me and everyone else... that pretty well describes it for me.


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19 Feb 2012, 10:54 pm

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Individual people, though, carefully studied, are fascinating. They are so individual, and at the same time there are so many common themes. They are complex and at the same time they are examples of the simple truths of what it means to be human.


reminds me of a story I read:
"Many of Olivia's favorite people on the island were strangers to her: the woman who drove the car with the missing windshield, the old man who sold bird whistles he had carved into the shape of finger bones, the little girl she had seen burying Oreos on the beach and then watering then with a plastic bucket. Why was it that the people she liked best always seemed to be the ones who inspired odd looks from everybody else? They were like those deep-sea creatures with watery, transparent skin: you could see the soft little jerking beans of their hearts, you understood that the very thing that was supposed to protect them was the thing that made them vulnerable, and you knew that you couldn't help them, so you decided to love them instead."
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20 Feb 2012, 3:11 am

I feel like I'm taking a tour and the world is one big, elaborate movie set. I'm just watching people play this game, acting their parts. Sometimes they notice me and talk to me and it takes me by surprise. Sorry, I'm not actually a cast member - I'll just get out of your way.



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20 Feb 2012, 4:02 am

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When I'm with other people, it feels as though there's a glass pane between me and them, or sometimes even as though I'm in a separate room from them or looking at them through a telescope (in a way I can sense, not in a truly visual way - nothing to do with my physical ability to see). Sometimes this sense is stronger than at other times, and sometimes I notice it more than at other times.

Also, sometimes listening to others make conversation is like having the tuning of a radio station go in and out in that my ability to understand what's going on sort of comes and goes. Again, nothing wrong with my ears, as far as any testing has revealed. I think sometimes this has to do with focus, sometimes with processing input, and sometimes with making sense of the information once it gets processed.


Wow, this pretty much exactly describes how I feel. Almost word-for-word. >>

I feel like this even with my friends - perhaps especially with my friends. It's not always there, but sometimes there will be this sudden sense of detachment. Like I'm listening to them from underwater and the words and feelings just aren't getting through. Or like when your hand falls asleep and everything you touch lacks detail and texture. It's terribly disorienting; I almost can't stand being around people at all when I'm like that.



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20 Feb 2012, 9:13 am

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I feel disconnected from people. Occasionally I meet someone I connect with (mostly because they are as quirky as me), but it is very rare. I also find socialising (in the most part) to be incredibly boring...the endless small talk and gossip really does not interest me and when I want to talk about something I find interesting people usually tell me to shut up. When I do speak, people will often speak over me and despite having a very loud voice (that I have toned down a bit over the years because people thought I was shouting when I was not) I am not one of those people who others seem to hear (in other words, most of the time I may as well be talking to myself anyway).

I feel odd around others...I seem to think differently and I am quirky. I do sometimes feel social but don't fully understand the obsession most have with socialising. I don't really crave lots of friends, maybe one partner whom I am very close to and one very close friend (or maybe two) but I have no desire for lots of acquaintances and I don't enjoy making casual chit chat with strangers just for the sake of doing so. Sometimes someone I enjoy talking to comes along...and those people I enjoy the odd natter with, probably because I like them (or something about them).

I tend to prefer to do something useful with my time (such as pursuing my interests which are presently geology and evolution) rather than make endless pointless chitty chat about nothing of actual interest with people I don't know and am unlikely to talk to again (such as someone standing at a bus stop or at a party that I didn't really want to go to).

Small talk feels fake anyway! People ask you how you are but they don't want the real answer. They make obvious comments about the weather (such as how sunny or rainy it is) when you can quite clearly see what the weather is doing yourself, they give you irrelevant information such as when they need to do their washing (huh? the only time that might be of any remote interest to me is if it's in context and is related to a friend, or someone I like, or someone I love etc) and they gossip endlessly about what other people are doing with their personal lives (most of which is inaccurate anyway).

Try starting a conversation on rocks and geological processes and watch them run away...It's a great way to get some alone time lol.

Also when I am in hobby mode, it is hard for me to get my brain to change tracks. I cannot just switch modes unless I am prepared to do so or am ready to do so myself, so if people turn up unannounced that can pose problems for me as I feel they are interrupting me and I just want them to go away and come back another time when my social mode is switched on. Also sometimes people will stop and talk to me whilst I am out and about but I am busy in my own head pondering something. At those times I get annoyed as well because my thoughts are being disrupted by their nattering. The only time I don't mind my thoughts being disturbed is if it's an emergency and they need urgent help or support of some kind or need a vent because they are upset.

I tend to spend a lot of time living in my own world/head and I don't like to be jolted out of it by social interactions I am not in the mood for. If I feel like popping out of my own head though, I will, but jumping out of my own world in order to socialise can be exhausting, so I only like to do it for short periods of time. Their world confuses me and often does not make sense to me, my world does not confuse me and makes perfect sense even if others cannot understand it.

Their world is all about social game playing and my world is all about geology and evolution (or whatever my main interest is at the time), my own thought processes and musings and my own inner (often complex, but fantasy based) day dreams. I have always lived mostly in my own head, even as a child I was off in a world of my own somewhere rather than out and about connecting with people.

So in a nutshell, I feel bored, disconnected and odd around other humans...unless those humans are as strange as I can be...


I feel quite the same. And as my English is terrible, I quote you!

I don't know if I have Asperger's or Autism or Schizophrenia or Bipolar Disease (sometimes they all seem to be good descriptions of what I am), but I feel at home here. Playing the social game is impossible for me. I've tried but always failed. Now I just don't care. I realise that this is an important part of being "human" and that I will probably have trouble ahead if I need a little help (from my friends, which I don't have)... but I just don't understand how it works. I think the "normal social behaviour' is fake and hypocritical, I feel sick when listening to many people talking at the sime time and not listening to each other, often drinking heavy and analysing the way you dress or if your house is clean enough for their social standards or gossiping about other people (usually other "friends"). This is not me. I enjoy my own company most of the time and when I don't, I just hang around with my dogs and I feel refreshed and ready to face life again. I like talking to one person at a time. Mainly if this person is a total stranger. When I get to know someone a little bit more then I realise it's the same old boring "normal human", fake, greedy, selfish, superficial, uncreative, affected. I'm self-centered and this is a huge barrier to "normal social behaviour' when you are expected to boost people's "social qualities".