Illogical Aspie?

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My mind is logical. My emotions are not.

There is a whole area devoted to Logic in philosophy. It was developed by Aristotle.

It is very complicated - some points to consider:

Deductive and inductive reasoning, and retroductive inference
Syllogistic logic
Propositional logic (sentential logic)
Predicate logic
Modal logic
Informal reasoning
Mathematical logic
Philosophical logic

I could go on but this is the area I can obsess about too much. Emotions do not have to be logical, but most Aspie's will approach topics very logically and matter of fact. For me, I would take what someone say as literal. Most NT's read between the lines and would get a different meaning or interpretation. After all, why would you say one thing and mean another?

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In that case then, I'm rather illogical. I don't take things literally at all, I exaggerate a lot and I don't think any differently when other people exaggerate (unless they are overexaggerating, that just annoys me sometimes). I often think very illogically too, even when I'm by myself. I go by what other people's intentions are or might be, even though a lot of times it becomes irrational thinking. I really can't explain how I think really, but I know myself what I mean.

Also, I understand jokes, and I absolutely love it when people make those witty....I don't know what they're called. Something like this (something back from school):-

Me: Oh I wish I was able to sit in the staff room through lunchtime
Friend: You can if you are physically disabled
Me: I wish I broke my leg or something so I could get in there (laughs)
Friend: (Laughs) yeah (does sound effects of her leg clicking then doing a snapping sound effect) I broke my leg, can I come in there? (laughs)
(I laugh)

That's the sort of thing I mean. This little conversation is a very illogical conversation. Nobody would want to break their leg just to sit in a staff room, you would be in pure agony if you broke your leg, you would be sent to hospital, etc etc etc. And both me and my friend knew that, but it was just a matter of laughter and exaggeration and joking. That's what makes those sorts of conversations fun.

Thank you. Your post is the 1st to make sense and doesnt seem like they are trolling my post.
=) I like your post.

Hey I actually studied Philosephy and Reason in highschool i flunked out on it on purpose but I do know what you mean. Yes it is very complicated with Philosephy that you speak of in a logical sense a Tree could be a 5 legged purple spottered antelope. Also why i like to say that the sky is actually saucepan and not blue =)

I think you should celebrate being illogical. It is not a bad thing.

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Last edited by kg4fxg on 28 Feb 2012, 8:42 am, edited 1 time in total.

Example:

Mom was painting her old house in Portland. She'd feel very uncomfortable being up on a ladder when she be above hard ground but when she be above the grass, she felt fine. I asked her why did she feel that way and what was the difference and she said she didn't know and feelings aren't always logical. From my experience they are not logical lot of the times so I say they are illogical.


Plus often times at Babycenter, someone will ask a question and women there get all offended for no reason so they attack the OP or are very rude to them in that thread and resort to bullying sometimes. Even if the person was ignorant, I still don't see the reason to get all upset and be mean to the person about it, they should be nice and respond to the person nicely educating them by answering their question so they be less ignorant. But why can't they do this? Why must they be bullies? How does nastiness get rid of the ignorance? All it does is make people stay ignorant because they be too afraid to even ask to hear an explanation so they be less ignorant because maybe there were things they never thought or knew about. People get upset with ignorance but yet they get mad when people ask just because they were ignorant? That doesn't make any sense. Which is it? So they hate it when people are ignorant but they get upset when they try and be open minded by trying to learn something new? They can't seem to make up their minds. My husband would say to this they let their emotions get in the way. but on here, people act more reasonable and more logical compared to over there so I did get to see the real difference between NT forums and autism forums. We tend to be more rational despite if we find something offensive. The responses are tamer here. I do see emotional responses sometimes but most of the time, people here act rational than resorting to meanness and rudeness.

Last edited by League_Girl on 25 Feb 2012, 11:25 am, edited 1 time in total.

^^^ Well-stated, League_Girl ! !!

I think some Aspies are illogically addicted to logic (or what they personally perceive logic to be).

In any case, spend some time in "Love and Dating" or "PPR" forums to see illogical Aspies at work and play.

That feeling was completely logical. Falling off a ladder onto grass would result in less severe injury than falling onto hard ground. Grass wouldn't prevent injury but it might make it less catastrophic. What's interesting is that she didn't know this consciously. It was just a feeling. But that feeling was very logical based on what would happen to her body falling on the two different surfaces.* Her body had knowledge which it relayed to her subconscious in the form of a feeling. But it never became conscious enough for her to put into words and tell you.

It makes me wonder if some of the feelings called "illogical" are examples of body knowledge or subconscious knowledge that we don't have full conscious access to and so don't put into words. These things are perfectly logical but seem illogical if they remain subconscious.


Pro football players are routinely horribly injured playing on artificial grass laid over concrete. They still get injured playing on actual grass but it is less severe. Unfortunately for them, actual grass is expensive to keep up, so the owners use artificial turf and the players get hurt worse.

Last edited by Janissy on 25 Feb 2012, 11:42 am, edited 1 time in total.

Interesting, funny how our minds know something we don't know. I swear our own brains have their own minds as well. So therefore it explains illogical feelings because we don't understand why we are having them and what is the reason for them. Then they aren't illogical after all when we find the reason to it. But you would still get injured when you fall in the grass but not as much so an example of how something can still be illogical but logical for another person.

I always felt like that too. I never wanted to climb a ladder if it was over hard concrete, but over the grass I felt more happy climbing a ladder.

There are other situations where I feel like this, but I can't think of any at the moment. I will come back to it when I think of a few.

Last edited by Joe90 on 26 Feb 2012, 9:49 am, edited 1 time in total.

Some people can't help being illogical because of the way they're wired. I get told I'm illogical, but I believe I'm logical, and I'll always be the first to tell someone off for not making sense. But I think logic is probably defined by sticking to conventional means of reasoning. It makes sense to me that it's an Aspie trait, because Aspies often respect rules and conventions, even so obsessively that they can't tell a lie. But what I think is consistent even with 'Illogical' Aspies, if we assume they exist, is the need to rationalise things - ie, you'll argue back even if you just told someone the sky is purple.

Props for Star Trek reference.

Thank you League Girl. Whether I am Aspie or NT I enjoy forums like WP because of the "rational responses" and not the mean rude ones ^^
I know my Aspie friend was trying to make me feel bad for feeling like I am aspie without diagnosis now, with calling me Illogical n thus i could never be aspie =) I now know n understand we are all Illogical but aspies are rational well more rational ^^ But this still doesnt draw my end conclusion either but thanks

and I logically cannot see how this is relivant to the topic at hand.

(yes i watch star trek too =P)