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15 Mar 2012, 12:08 pm

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This is very troubleosm cause my friends and family all believe and see me as an aspie, but i cannot get a propper diagnosis because i come accross as "normal" to a psychologist. or i come accross as ADHD-PI/ADHD/ or NT.
This isnt the case how ever. I was taught froma c hild when i am in a doctors office i need to act a certain way and this is how i still act especially with a psychologist it is very nerve racking that i cant show my "aspieness"
They also believe im showing eye contact.. noo im looking at their nose/mouth/shirt buttons oh and they don't seem to notice at all that for half the conversation im staring at the wall.. soo apparently this is sufficient eye contact?

Making eye contact hurts my head and eyes, so its rare that i ever do so, but these professionals all seem to think i am making sufficient eye contact, i dont see how.

Ive been to 3 people now, and none of them can pick me as an aspie, and yet my 7 aspergers friends, and my mum all see me as just that, Aspie.

Whats going on here?

How can i not act so formal in the doctors office?
Its just routine formality with a person who is my superior, like an inbuilt thing - politeness i suppose that ive learnt.

and when i do "act" my normal self they think im ADHD or something, which im not. nothing makes me hyper, except when im really really tired... (which is kind of a contradiction in itself).

Is there something i should be saying to them, like "this is just my polite routine side for teh doctors office?" or something cause i am sick of them someone who knows very little about me, saying "oh theres no way you can be aspie, you're wasting my time, but you may be ADHD-PI (inattentive ADHD)." and yet my parents and friends say i am definitely aspie.. this confuses me greatly.
I think of myself as an aspie.


This is sooo very annoying >.<

any suggestions? and sorry for my long-ish rumble...


Would it change anything IF you never received an Aspergers diagnosis from a doctor ?

TheSunAlsoRises

Personal reasons involving a custody despute that id rather not discuss... they keep telling me to get a diagnosis "then we will talk"



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15 Mar 2012, 12:18 pm

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Teredia wrote:
This is very troubleosm cause my friends and family all believe and see me as an aspie, but i cannot get a propper diagnosis because i come accross as "normal" to a psychologist. or i come accross as ADHD-PI/ADHD/ or NT.
This isnt the case how ever. I was taught froma c hild when i am in a doctors office i need to act a certain way and this is how i still act especially with a psychologist it is very nerve racking that i cant show my "aspieness"
They also believe im showing eye contact.. noo im looking at their nose/mouth/shirt buttons oh and they don't seem to notice at all that for half the conversation im staring at the wall.. soo apparently this is sufficient eye contact?

Making eye contact hurts my head and eyes, so its rare that i ever do so, but these professionals all seem to think i am making sufficient eye contact, i dont see how.

Ive been to 3 people now, and none of them can pick me as an aspie, and yet my 7 aspergers friends, and my mum all see me as just that, Aspie.

Whats going on here?

How can i not act so formal in the doctors office?
Its just routine formality with a person who is my superior, like an inbuilt thing - politeness i suppose that ive learnt.

and when i do "act" my normal self they think im ADHD or something, which im not. nothing makes me hyper, except when im really really tired... (which is kind of a contradiction in itself).

Is there something i should be saying to them, like "this is just my polite routine side for teh doctors office?" or something cause i am sick of them someone who knows very little about me, saying "oh theres no way you can be aspie, you're wasting my time, but you may be ADHD-PI (inattentive ADHD)." and yet my parents and friends say i am definitely aspie.. this confuses me greatly.
I think of myself as an aspie.


This is sooo very annoying >.<

any suggestions? and sorry for my long-ish rumble...


Would it change anything IF you never received an Aspergers diagnosis from a doctor ?

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Actually it does change things. It changes the way people view you and treat you. This is an undeniable fact. If a person believes you have asperger's they will inevitably cut you more slack than if they think you have ADHD. I mean, nobody even takes ADHD seriously. People just think of ADHD sufferers as troublemakers for the most part.

Not really my viewpoint, but an official diagnosis does change the way people view you, no question about it.


This is extremely interesting.

TheSunAlsoRises



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15 Mar 2012, 12:20 pm

Teredia wrote:
TheSunAlsoRises wrote:
Teredia wrote:
This is very troubleosm cause my friends and family all believe and see me as an aspie, but i cannot get a propper diagnosis because i come accross as "normal" to a psychologist. or i come accross as ADHD-PI/ADHD/ or NT.
This isnt the case how ever. I was taught froma c hild when i am in a doctors office i need to act a certain way and this is how i still act especially with a psychologist it is very nerve racking that i cant show my "aspieness"
They also believe im showing eye contact.. noo im looking at their nose/mouth/shirt buttons oh and they don't seem to notice at all that for half the conversation im staring at the wall.. soo apparently this is sufficient eye contact?

Making eye contact hurts my head and eyes, so its rare that i ever do so, but these professionals all seem to think i am making sufficient eye contact, i dont see how.

Ive been to 3 people now, and none of them can pick me as an aspie, and yet my 7 aspergers friends, and my mum all see me as just that, Aspie.

Whats going on here?

How can i not act so formal in the doctors office?
Its just routine formality with a person who is my superior, like an inbuilt thing - politeness i suppose that ive learnt.

and when i do "act" my normal self they think im ADHD or something, which im not. nothing makes me hyper, except when im really really tired... (which is kind of a contradiction in itself).

Is there something i should be saying to them, like "this is just my polite routine side for teh doctors office?" or something cause i am sick of them someone who knows very little about me, saying "oh theres no way you can be aspie, you're wasting my time, but you may be ADHD-PI (inattentive ADHD)." and yet my parents and friends say i am definitely aspie.. this confuses me greatly.
I think of myself as an aspie.


This is sooo very annoying >.<

any suggestions? and sorry for my long-ish rumble...


Would it change anything IF you never received an Aspergers diagnosis from a doctor ?

TheSunAlsoRises

Personal reasons involving a custody despute that id rather not discuss... they keep telling me to get a diagnosis "then we will talk"


I understand.

Good Luck .

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15 Mar 2012, 12:23 pm

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Teredia wrote:
This is very troubleosm cause my friends and family all believe and see me as an aspie, but i cannot get a propper diagnosis because i come accross as "normal" to a psychologist. or i come accross as ADHD-PI/ADHD/ or NT.
This isnt the case how ever. I was taught froma c hild when i am in a doctors office i need to act a certain way and this is how i still act especially with a psychologist it is very nerve racking that i cant show my "aspieness"
They also believe im showing eye contact.. noo im looking at their nose/mouth/shirt buttons oh and they don't seem to notice at all that for half the conversation im staring at the wall.. soo apparently this is sufficient eye contact?

Making eye contact hurts my head and eyes, so its rare that i ever do so, but these professionals all seem to think i am making sufficient eye contact, i dont see how.

Ive been to 3 people now, and none of them can pick me as an aspie, and yet my 7 aspergers friends, and my mum all see me as just that, Aspie.

Whats going on here?

How can i not act so formal in the doctors office?
Its just routine formality with a person who is my superior, like an inbuilt thing - politeness i suppose that ive learnt.

and when i do "act" my normal self they think im ADHD or something, which im not. nothing makes me hyper, except when im really really tired... (which is kind of a contradiction in itself).

Is there something i should be saying to them, like "this is just my polite routine side for teh doctors office?" or something cause i am sick of them someone who knows very little about me, saying "oh theres no way you can be aspie, you're wasting my time, but you may be ADHD-PI (inattentive ADHD)." and yet my parents and friends say i am definitely aspie.. this confuses me greatly.
I think of myself as an aspie.


This is sooo very annoying >.<

any suggestions? and sorry for my long-ish rumble...


Would it change anything IF you never received an Aspergers diagnosis from a doctor ?

TheSunAlsoRises


Actually it does change things. It changes the way people view you and treat you. This is an undeniable fact. If a person believes you have asperger's they will inevitably cut you more slack than if they think you have ADHD. I mean, nobody even takes ADHD seriously. People just think of ADHD sufferers as troublemakers for the most part.

Not really my viewpoint, but an official diagnosis does change the way people view you, no question about it.


This is extremely interesting.

TheSunAlsoRises


yes this is true, aspies get treated differently from other spectrum disorders... i grew up with adhd kids and they got even abuse from their techers.. Aspies do get treated differently from ADHD's



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15 Mar 2012, 1:44 pm

I'm a bit confused as to how your family and friends are diagnosing you, particularly when only a few months back you said your parents were not at all convinced.

What makes YOU think that you are an aspie? Three different doctor all saying no, sounds pretty conclusive to me. Perhaps you do have some issues, but your independence and life situation means that a diagnosis is unjustified. Really what do you expect from the diagnosis, what are your day to day problems and how can the diagnosis help?

I'm very confused by your posting history, your postings are very contradictory,

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15 Mar 2012, 4:07 pm

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Why does everyone have 6-10 aspie friends now adays? And since when do aspies have a large friend network. :lol:

I refuse to believe we are that common, I have never met anyone similar to myself.

Its not a club....

thats something about my home town, Darwin, NT, and my friends home town Katherine, NT (300km south of darwin) theres a huge number of aspies diagnosed each year. 5 of my best friends are aspies..


I find that to be rather strange that you would even meet some many aspies unless you go to an aspie support group or something. I've only known like 3 aspies in real life.

Why dont u indicate to the psychs that what you just told us on here? If your mom is convinced you are aspie, couldn't you get the psychs to talk to your mom and she can tell them about how you are at home and how you were growing up. See a lot of people learn to put on an NT face in public but at home they freely show their aspieness.



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15 Mar 2012, 4:36 pm

I'm probably the epitome of [overly] formal at the psychos/psychics.

I still display the symptoms though.



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15 Mar 2012, 5:21 pm

Teredia wrote:
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Why does everyone have 6-10 aspie friends now adays? And since when do aspies have a large friend network. :lol:

I refuse to believe we are that common, I have never met anyone similar to myself.

Its not a club....

thats something about my home town, Darwin, NT, and my friends home town Katherine, NT (300km south of darwin) theres a huge number of aspies diagnosed each year. 5 of my best friends are aspies..


I've never met a single aspie in real life (apart from an aspie support group in which most had a diagnosis and none of them had any visible difficulty with anything, which was strange). Out of interest I have been reading a forum for partners of people with AS and it seems that everyone on it has a string of real-life friends with partners with AS. 8O



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15 Mar 2012, 6:00 pm

I have met many aspies. Maybe it depends on where a person lives? I would assume that any place with a denser population will have a higher ratio of autism/Aspergers. The very first person I met happens to be my adoptive dad. He has many of the classic symptoms but is undiagnosed. A DX at 84 isn't likely to help him much anyway. I also worked in an office with an older woman who would probably be DX'd with Aspergers & also her son(former boss). He was also on the spectrum. He has a couple of boys who were DX'd. It can happen.

And not everyone who has struggled to get a DX is able to. While both my daughters have been DX'd with Aspergers, I cannot get a shrink to listen to me. They tell me I have bi-polar disorder. People with BP have friends, I am a complete loner, much happier doing stuff by myself than with other people. Plus a multitude of other symptoms. It's very frustrating to know there is something going on, but not getting the respect from professionals that's so upsetting. ALso, the reason I want a DX is like what others have said here. People never cut me any slack & have too high of expectations that I cannot reach. This is not a new thing, but something that has plagued me since I was a young girl.


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15 Mar 2012, 6:20 pm

I'm afraid I don't value any form of psychological assessment that simply seeks to put you in a labelled box, or rejects you as unsuitable for it.

A lot of "scientific wisdom" is based on experiments on very small groups, dating back many years now. Which is fine if you know that, but scary when it's rolled out as Absolute Truth like a new religion.

Whilst I wouldn't dispute that there are some patterns to human behaviour that can be regocnised and categorised relatively easily, there are millions of other permutations possible around the edges that really require individual analysis. Instead, current thinking seems to be all about cramming you into the nearesr available box, whether you really fit into it or not. They're imposing rules and boundaries in an area that, by definition, doesn't really have any. Perhaps that's the point: to get a handle on it all? But it seems to leave an awful lot of people misplaced, abandoned or confused.


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15 Mar 2012, 9:51 pm

Nim wrote:
Why does everyone have 6-10 aspie friends now adays? And since when do aspies have a large friend network. :lol:

I refuse to believe we are that common, I have never met anyone similar to myself.

Its not a club....


Not everyone- I don't personally know any aspies outside of my family.


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16 Mar 2012, 1:17 am

I'm just noting how amusing it is that you say there's seemingly a high density of Aspies in a place that is in the NT (Northern Territory, for you non-Australiens).



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16 Mar 2012, 5:24 am

If the current estimates of something like 1 in 200 people being on the spectrum are correct, in all probability we have all met quite a few. I only have three real friends and of them, one is almost definitely an Aspie and another shows a lot of Aspie characteristics. Is that an unusually high proportion? I don't think so. I tend to pick friends who have similar interests to me and think in similar ways.


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17 Mar 2012, 4:50 pm

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I'm a bit confused as to how your family and friends are diagnosing you, particularly when only a few months back you said your parents were not at all convinced.

What makes YOU think that you are an aspie? Three different doctor all saying no, sounds pretty conclusive to me. Perhaps you do have some issues, but your independence and life situation means that a diagnosis is unjustified. Really what do you expect from the diagnosis, what are your day to day problems and how can the diagnosis help?

I'm very confused by your posting history, your postings are very contradictory,

Jason.


Yes things have changed a lot in the past couple of months. My mum, sees me as an aspie n my dad sees my older sister as one.. -_- long story. Where I come from there is no one who is trained to deal with Adult aspergers, because i have learnt things to make it easier on myself in social situations its hard to pick it if you dont spend a day or two with me...

I have the hyper sensitivity, lack of emotional connect, (took me 2 years to learn how a mother should feel towards her son), i dont give eye contact, i get extremely confused, overwhelmed and over stimulated by too many people loud souds etc. also i dont follow conversations vert well.

all these and a lot more im in no mood to write atm are what my 7 aspie friends who were not diagnosed up here in Darwin, Northern Australia, mainly say says that i am an aspie.

One even says i am so aspie i fail at the social conduct of video games... Truely, i cant pass the tribal phase of spore, i was told today that its cause its the social part of the game Steve's like "Ket, you suck, you're so aspie you cant even complete spore." and hes an aspie too.



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Teredia wrote:
Nim wrote:
Why does everyone have 6-10 aspie friends now adays? And since when do aspies have a large friend network. :lol:

I refuse to believe we are that common, I have never met anyone similar to myself.

Its not a club....

thats something about my home town, Darwin, NT, and my friends home town Katherine, NT (300km south of darwin) theres a huge number of aspies diagnosed each year. 5 of my best friends are aspies..


I find that to be rather strange that you would even meet some many aspies unless you go to an aspie support group or something. I've only known like 3 aspies in real life.

Why dont u indicate to the psychs that what you just told us on here? If your mom is convinced you are aspie, couldn't you get the psychs to talk to your mom and she can tell them about how you are at home and how you were growing up. See a lot of people learn to put on an NT face in public but at home they freely show their aspieness.


Ive tried that, theyre like "i know better than u cause im the one with the degree...." -_- Oh how it sucks being an Australian at times...



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18 Mar 2012, 2:09 am

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I have met many aspies. Maybe it depends on where a person lives? I would assume that any place with a denser population will have a higher ratio of autism/Aspergers. The very first person I met happens to be my adoptive dad. He has many of the classic symptoms but is undiagnosed. A DX at 84 isn't likely to help him much anyway. I also worked in an office with an older woman who would probably be DX'd with Aspergers & also her son(former boss). He was also on the spectrum. He has a couple of boys who were DX'd. It can happen.

And not everyone who has struggled to get a DX is able to. While both my daughters have been DX'd with Aspergers, I cannot get a shrink to listen to me. They tell me I have bi-polar disorder. People with BP have friends, I am a complete loner, much happier doing stuff by myself than with other people. Plus a multitude of other symptoms. It's very frustrating to know there is something going on, but not getting the respect from professionals that's so upsetting. ALso, the reason I want a DX is like what others have said here. People never cut me any slack & have too high of expectations that I cannot reach. This is not a new thing, but something that has plagued me since I was a young girl.


Yes you speak exactly as i feel. probably a lot better as i am very bad at explaining anything.
in 1997 when i sat the Raven's test, the results for a female of 7 years of age then was that I had a very high IQ level for my age and a very low maturity level.
I couldnt read or write i was more creative and hands on. If i heard about something on the TV i could recite any information i heard, but because I was quiet and stuck to myself, they just said it was normal n i'd grow out of it.
Of course back then no one would really look for AS in a girl which really sucks cause i even had th AS meltdowns n everything back then. I still do but not to as an extreme as i did when i was a child. AND YET no professional wants to hear a word of what i have to say...