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09 Nov 2006, 10:32 pm

Xmen is really a metaphor for the different and downtrodden. That is a state which describes most lanky, pimply, angust ridden teenagers, hence the large comic book sales. It's also a state that describes many who have disorders. I'm sure BiP's and ADHDers think the same thing as you all do. I do notice that other communities also claim that certain greats have their particular disorder. Sometimes there is an overlap in that several different communities claim the same genius. 8O I've also noted each community also believes that their particular disorder has special gifts and sometimes even that their disorder is not a disorder at all, but really the beginning of a new speciation event.

Me, I'm not an NT but someone with a "sister" disorder. I take this all with a grain of salt. We are who we are, but I see no community out there with superhuman traits or even traits that give that particular group of people a decisive edge in life.


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10 Nov 2006, 12:09 am

i've followed all of the movies. from the beginning. I got into the comics when i was a teen, and did an art piece of rogue in my hs art class. I've always felt a strong connection with the X-Men. although, i'd probrably most consider the alternative to being an 'x-men' so to speak. i would prefer being NT over AS anyday. life, as we know it isn't built for the AS mind. It just isn't. wishfully thinking, i would want NT's to at least meet us half-way. the 3rd movie sucked in comparison to the other two. I loved the 1st and 2nd. It just seemed to be Major Hollywood stepping in on the last one. *the last movie had a different director from the previous ones. So much special effects, not enough individual emphasis/development of characters.

The concepts behind the X-men and thier mutant superpowers was something i'd always kept close to my heart.

watching the movies always made me feel so 'connected' afterwards.



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10 Nov 2006, 12:11 am

tortoise wrote:
Xmen is really a metaphor for the different and downtrodden. That is a state which describes most lanky, pimply, angust ridden teenagers, hence the large comic book sales. It's also a state that describes many who have disorders. I'm sure BiP's and ADHDers think the same thing as you all do. I do notice that other communities also claim that certain greats have their particular disorder. Sometimes there is an overlap in that several different communities claim the same genius. 8O I've also noted each community also believes that their particular disorder has special gifts and sometimes even that their disorder is not a disorder at all, but really the beginning of a new speciation event.

Me, I'm not an NT but someone with a "sister" disorder. I take this all with a grain of salt. We are who we are, but I see no community out there with superhuman traits or even traits that give that particular group of people a decisive edge in life.


clap your hands say YEAH! hell yeah, i agree with you totally.
finally someone with some damn sense.



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10 Nov 2006, 3:03 am

Yeah, I definitely see similarities. In fact it's pretty obvious. The 3rd movie made me really interested in X-Men, and I can relate to them in some ways.


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10 Nov 2006, 3:08 am

Oh gosh, I'm falling for another anime avatar! I can't resist it's cuteness!



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10 Nov 2006, 4:01 am

Some spoilers here as a word of warning.

I came to some similar conclusions myself (this comes up a lot too)


'The cure' isn't just about Autism, and they haven't been trying to 'cure' us only 'recently'. Pretty sure these groups have existed as long as the conditions had names, if not longer.


The people that are different often face incredible hardship. You don't often hear that Leonardo
da Vinci was not well liked by the rest of the community. And Tesla in my mind is still under recognized.


"Mutants" are a metaphor for opressed groups in general. Originally Stan Lee was getting sick of having to come up with reasons for Super Powers. He figured if he just made them mutants he wouldn't need to explain anything, they're just mutants. Then after, he realized that this could be used to express mans inhumanity to man.


On the one hand you have the people that feel threatened by the mutants, thinking that they will enslave or generally destroy the pure and proper humans. Many of them would of course believe that they are doing the right thing by ending the horrible suffering the mutants have and they can be happy little members of humanity. And if any of them resent it, they're just ungrateful bastards.

On the other hand, you have the people like Magneto. Placed into a concentration camp he sees humanity at it's worst, and he sees his parents killed. He comes to the conclusion that mutants are the superior race, and that they should be the ones in control, and that this is the only way for Mutant kind to truely be free. In this way, he too becomes a hypocritical monster.

And the two sides justify each others actions.


In the middle, you have the X-Men. Some of them support 'the cure', and some are disgusted by it. Storm for instance calls anyone who would volunteer for it a coward. Not seeming to understand that many of these mutants have to go through some pretty side affects. But even still they all manage to work as a team, and stand between the two factions.


As far as the mutants themselves go? They run a wide range. Dudes with wings, couple blue freaks. Many of them don't have any real powers, but they're still hated. Some of them like Rogue can't touch anyone without causing them harm. Some of them have some pretty sad stories. Is it really right to with hold a way to alievate their suffering? And yet much of the suffering is caused not because they are mutants, but because the world hates mutants.


Certainly sounds like a good movie doesn't it? Well not really because a lot of the elements weren't handled very well. You can infer a lot, but some of the subtext isn't handled well. Further more, the movie itself seemed like it was just kind of slapped together. Which is not surprising because it was. Weird things happened in production, and some of the people involved didn't really like X-Men.

That being said, about the first half of the movie is good. Then it just kind of gets stupid. Though hey, great special effects. I still recomend the movie.



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10 Nov 2006, 1:24 pm

na, na, na, na, na ,na, na, na, !BATMAN! !Batman! batman.



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10 Nov 2006, 6:15 pm

Running on the motorway, didn't look the other way...


...FLATMAN!! !

"Holy Ice Sticks, Batman, he's frozen the Batmobile!"
"Don't worry Robin, I'll unfreeze it with my Belt Melter!"
*A few shots of staring and fake melting*
*Batman and Robin get frozen*
Evil Dude: "Muahahahahahahahaaaaaa!! !"
Oh no! Is this the end for our heroes? Will they die an icy death? Is this the last cool streak for them? Find out in the next chilling episode!



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10 Nov 2006, 11:18 pm

Which X-Man/mutant does everyone identify most with?

I think I am stuck between identifying most with either Beast or Professor Xavier, although I don't know if I'd wish to be in such a leadership position as that of Professor X...


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11 Nov 2006, 1:10 am

Hmm Im kind of fond of Wolverine.

He doesnt beat around the bush or care about being socially acceptable :P

That and his acute senses means he would understand when I say something is bothering me that others cant seem to sense.. just all around hes the perfect guy for me (dont tell my hubby hehe) :)


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11 Nov 2006, 1:33 am

KBABZ wrote:
Running on the motorway, didn't look the other way...


...FLATMAN!! !



Don't forget Flatman's trusty roadkill sidekick, RIBBON.

:D :D :D :D :D

Five happy faces for X men. It's wikkid times a million. (Especially the movies.)

I think there is a very good reason why the Xmen mutations appear at puberty. It is when almost everyone feels so totally "different" from their peers -- for whatever reason -- and generally sees their differences as a curse.

Then when you reach adulthood, it comes better.

But that's what's so brilliant about Xmen. First, so many minority groups can relate to it. And second, unlike racial issues for example, mutants can be born into ANY family in the world.


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12 Nov 2006, 2:02 am

The director is gay and it's an analogy in that regard, but it can be applied to more than what it was meant for. A lot of authors/directors do this. There are second or third or fourth levels of meaning everywhere.



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12 Nov 2006, 5:34 am

Fraya wrote:
Hmm Im kind of fond of Wolverine.

He doesnt beat around the bush or care about being socially acceptable :P


Those who are socialy acceptable naturally don't have to care about being social acceptable.



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12 Nov 2006, 5:48 pm

My response to the latest X-Men movie:

http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/?p=126

The Ragged Edge review of it:

http://www.raggededgemagazine.com/depar ... 01144.html


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12 Nov 2006, 6:22 pm

I relate to Wolverine because he just does his own thing and prefers to be alone.


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13 Nov 2006, 8:02 am

Sophist wrote:
Which X-Man/mutant does everyone identify most with?


Rogue

Wanting to be close to people, but no matter how hard she tries, she's always isolated.