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10 May 2012, 4:12 pm

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"If you can come in early." Ahh, maybe its because I'm a programmer, but I am lest perpetually waiting for the 'then' If () {


There's a comma in that sentence, especially if it's spoken aloud. "If you can, come in early" is much easier to parse.

Oh yeah it's better that way.

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if then if then if then if then if then if then if then

If there be an if, then there should be a then.

if then if then if then if then if then if then if then

else

die die die die die die die

I am sicko of language why can't we stop using language I rather grunt and screech and fling poop I need to take a shower my eyedrop meds are medsing with mah brrrainzzz


:lol: :lol: Well, just Sunday I thought, "Talking is such an inefficient communication tool"...

Right, so what do we do instead ?



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10 May 2012, 4:13 pm

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I'm sort of curious if any aspie can read Ulysses.

That's what's called 'stream of consciousness' writing, which I never understood. I am writing stream of consciousness, right now, apart from a few syntax and grammar corrections. Is Ulysses, then, how most people think? I understand that most people need notes to read it, because of all the cultural artifacts from 1920s Ireland, but its supposed to be comprehensible other than that. To me its utter gibberish, and I've tried to read it with the notes.


Funny, looks like endless run-on sentences stripped of punctuation.



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10 May 2012, 4:23 pm

Is it supposed to have a meaning ??



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10 May 2012, 4:35 pm

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Mulveys was the first when I was in bed that morning


Mulveys is maybe a person that was located first in some place. But which place ?

It's in the morning and the narrator is in his bed.

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Mrs Rubio brought it in with the coffee she stood there standing when I asked her to hand me and I pointing at them I couldnt think of the word a hairpin to open it with ah horquilla


Someone called Mrs Rubio comes into his room, and gives him a coffee and a hairpin (called also horquilla in spanish) in order to open something. But what need to be opened ?

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disobliging old thing and it staring her in the face with her switch of false hair on her and vain about her appearance ugly as she was near 80 or a 100


What is the disobliging old thing ? The object that need to be opened or Mrs Rubio ?

The narrator, or "it" is looking at Mrs Rubio. Maybe "it" refers to Mulveys, so Mulveys is an animal, like a dog ?

Mrs Rubio has a hair extension, that is useless according to the narrator because anyway she is old and ugly.



Well it's not easy to understand...



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10 May 2012, 5:25 pm

edgewaters wrote:
Try reading James Joyce's Ulysses.

How the heck anyone can read this sort of stuff:

Mulveys was the first when I was in bed that morning and Mrs Rubio brought it in with the coffee she stood there standing when I asked her to hand me and I pointing at them I couldnt think of the word a hairpin to open it with ah horquilla disobliging old thing and it staring her in the face with her switch of false hair on her and vain about her appearance ugly as she was near 80 or a 100 her face a mass of wrinkles with all her religion domineering because she never could get over the Atlantic fleet coming in half the ships of the world and the Union Jack flying with all her carabineros because 4 drunken English sailors took all the rock from them and because I didnt run into mass often enough in Santa Maria to please her with her shawl up on her except when there was a marriage on with all her miracles of the saints and her black blessed virgin with the silver dress and the sun dancing 3 times on Easter Sunday morning and when the priest was going by with the bell bringing the vatican to the dying blessing herself for his Majestad an admirer he signed it I near jumped out of my skin I wanted to pick him up when I saw him following me along the Calle Real in the shop window then he tipped me just in passing I never thought hed write making an appointment I had it inside my petticoat bodice all day reading it up in every hole and corner while father was up at the drill instructing to find out by the handwriting or the language of stamps singing I remember shall I wear a white rose and I wanted to put on the old stupid clock to near the time

But they do! "Anyone can read it" they say. Huh???!??!?

Well, that was rough, but I think I have a translation for you:

Mulveys was in bed in the morning. Mrs. Rubio then came in, and Mulveys thought that she looked like a hag, followed by other, more incomprehensible thoughts. Mulveys had these thoughts because he's insane.


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11 May 2012, 6:00 am

Ok, but what is the "I" then ?

"Mulveys was the first when I was in bed" suggests that there Muvleys and "I".



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11 May 2012, 8:47 am

Ancalagon wrote:
edgewaters wrote:
Try reading James Joyce's Ulysses.

How the heck anyone can read this sort of stuff:

Mulveys was the first when I was in bed that morning and Mrs Rubio brought it in with the coffee she stood there standing when I asked her to hand me and I pointing at them I couldnt think of the word a hairpin to open it with ah horquilla disobliging old thing and it staring her in the face with her switch of false hair on her and vain about her appearance ugly as she was near 80 or a 100 her face a mass of wrinkles with all her religion domineering because she never could get over the Atlantic fleet coming in half the ships of the world and the Union Jack flying with all her carabineros because 4 drunken English sailors took all the rock from them and because I didnt run into mass often enough in Santa Maria to please her with her shawl up on her except when there was a marriage on with all her miracles of the saints and her black blessed virgin with the silver dress and the sun dancing 3 times on Easter Sunday morning and when the priest was going by with the bell bringing the vatican to the dying blessing herself for his Majestad an admirer he signed it I near jumped out of my skin I wanted to pick him up when I saw him following me along the Calle Real in the shop window then he tipped me just in passing I never thought hed write making an appointment I had it inside my petticoat bodice all day reading it up in every hole and corner while father was up at the drill instructing to find out by the handwriting or the language of stamps singing I remember shall I wear a white rose and I wanted to put on the old stupid clock to near the time

But they do! "Anyone can read it" they say. Huh???!??!?

Well, that was rough, but I think I have a translation for you:

Mulveys was in bed in the morning. Mrs. Rubio then came in, and Mulveys thought that she looked like a hag, followed by other, more incomprehensible thoughts. Mulveys had these thoughts because he's insane.


Haha my thoughts exactly !



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11 May 2012, 9:00 am

Ancalagon wrote:
Well, that was rough, but I think I have a translation for you:

Mulveys was in bed in the morning. Mrs. Rubio then came in, and Mulveys thought that she looked like a hag, followed by other, more incomprehensible thoughts. Mulveys had these thoughts because he's insane.


Well, no, that can't be right because I know that this part is a first person narrative by a female character named Penelope. Mulveys is just the first .... something. When she was in bed that morning. Randy girl, perhaps? And Mrs Rubio brought .... something ... in with coffee. And then Penelope seems to lose her mind.

Hey wait a minute ... it's a horror story!! Mrs Rubio must have brought some Lovecraftian artifact into the room.



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11 May 2012, 9:12 am

circular wrote:
Evinceo wrote:
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"If you can come in early." Ahh, maybe its because I'm a programmer, but I am lest perpetually waiting for the 'then' If () {


There's a comma in that sentence, especially if it's spoken aloud. "If you can, come in early" is much easier to parse.

Oh yeah it's better that way.

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if then if then if then if then if then if then if then

If there be an if, then there should be a then.

if then if then if then if then if then if then if then

else

die die die die die die die

I am sicko of language why can't we stop using language I rather grunt and screech and fling poop I need to take a shower my eyedrop meds are medsing with mah brrrainzzz


<span class='tooltiptrolol'><img src='https://s3.amazonaws.com/TrollEmoticons/lol.png' /><span>lol</span></span> <span class='tooltiptrolol'><img src='https://s3.amazonaws.com/TrollEmoticons/lol.png' /><span>lol</span></span> Well, just Sunday I thought, "Talking is such an inefficient communication tool"...

Right, so what do we do instead ?


Email, post in forums, etc?


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11 May 2012, 11:59 am

edgewaters wrote:
Try reading James Joyce's Ulysses.

How the heck anyone can read this sort of stuff:

Mulveys was the first when I was in bed that morning and Mrs Rubio brought it in with the coffee she stood there standing when I asked her to hand me and I pointing at them I couldnt think of the word a hairpin to open it with ah horquilla disobliging old thing and it staring her in the face with her switch of false hair on her and vain about her appearance ugly as she was near 80 or a 100 her face a mass of wrinkles with all her religion domineering because she never could get over the Atlantic fleet coming in half the ships of the world and the Union Jack flying with all her carabineros because 4 drunken English sailors took all the rock from them and because I didnt run into mass often enough in Santa Maria to please her with her shawl up on her except when there was a marriage on with all her miracles of the saints and her black blessed virgin with the silver dress and the sun dancing 3 times on Easter Sunday morning and when the priest was going by with the bell bringing the vatican to the dying blessing herself for his Majestad an admirer he signed it I near jumped out of my skin I wanted to pick him up when I saw him following me along the Calle Real in the shop window then he tipped me just in passing I never thought hed write making an appointment I had it inside my petticoat bodice all day reading it up in every hole and corner while father was up at the drill instructing to find out by the handwriting or the language of stamps singing I remember shall I wear a white rose and I wanted to put on the old stupid clock to near the time

But they do! "Anyone can read it" they say. Huh???!??!?



Oh my goodness. That has to be the longest run-on sentence I've ever seen. Punctuation might make this comprehensible. Paragraphs would also help. I can't make sense of it but then I think that was Joyce's intention.

from Wiki article
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At first glance much of the book may appear unstructured and chaotic; Joyce once said that he had "put in so many enigmas and puzzles that it will keep the professors busy for centuries arguing over what I meant," which would earn the novel "immortality".[12]


Apparently he did this on purpose so his novel would stand apart from other more structured novels. I have never read the novel and never intend to since I find this incoherence annoying.



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11 May 2012, 3:07 pm

Well now I know the perfect gag gift to give a copy editor if I ever meet one...



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11 May 2012, 7:39 pm

Janissy wrote:
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At first glance much of the book may appear unstructured and chaotic; Joyce once said that he had "put in so many enigmas and puzzles that it will keep the professors busy for centuries arguing over what I meant," which would earn the novel "immortality".[12]


:lmao:

I'm getting the impression that he got really frustrated with literary critics, and decided to get drunk and spew of bunch of nonsense on paper with just enough deliberately cryptic buzzwords and references to keep them guessing forever. A giant gag on the pretension and stupidity of the critics. Now I kind of like it, even though I'd never read it.



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11 May 2012, 8:36 pm

jackbus01 wrote:
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I think Ulysses would be much more impressive if he left out all the spaces between the words, too.

Aside: Back when I was little, before I could read, I thought the spaces between typed words looked ugly. Solid blocks of letters looked much nicer to me.


Well let's see:

MulveyswasthefirstwhenIwasinbedthatmorningandMrsR
ubiobroughtitinwiththecoffeeshestoodtherestanding
whenIaskedhertohandmeandIpointingatthemIcouldntth
inkofthewordahairpintoopenitwithahhorquilladisobl
igingoldthinganditstaringherinthefacewithherswitc
hoffalsehaironherandvainaboutherappearanceuglyass
hewasnear80ora100herfaceamassofwrinkleswithallher
religiondomineeringbecauseshenevercouldgetoverthe
Atlanticfleetcominginhalftheshipsoftheworldandthe
UnionJackflyingwithallhercarabinerosbecause4drunk
enEnglishsailorstookalltherockfromthemandbecauseI
didntrunintomassoftenenoughinSantaMariatopleasehe
rwithhershawluponherexceptwhentherewasamarriageon
withallhermiraclesofthesaintsandherblackblessedvi
rginwiththesilverdressandthesundancing3timesonEas
terSundaymorningandwhenthepriestwasgoingbywiththe
bellbringingthevaticantothedyingblessingherselffo
rhisMajestadanadmirerhesigneditInearjumpedoutofmy
skinIwantedtopickhimupwhenIsawhimfollowingmealong
theCalleRealintheshopwindowthenhetippedmejustinpa
ssingIneverthoughthedwritemakinganappointmentIhad
itinsidemypetticoatbodicealldayreadingitupinevery
holeandcornerwhilefatherwasupatthedrillinstructin
gtofindoutbythehandwritingorthelanguageofstampssi
ngingIremembershallIwearawhiteroseandIwantedtoput
ontheoldstupidclocktonearthetime


Yes, a little more challenging than the original text. I have arbitrarily used a line length of 50 characters (otherwise it would be one line that does not word-wrap). I have great trouble understanding both. Still if someone could rewrite using sentences, the might be a story in there somewhere.


I actually understood that better than the original, and I have not taken my ADHD meds.

I always thought Ulysses was supposed to be some great author. I keep hearing people go on about great authors and I want to read as much as the classic as I can, because everyone around me has seemed to download whole books into their brains, but when I do read them I don't see what the fuss was about. Except Dickens, love me some Dickens. At least he uses punctuation.


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