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05 Jun 2012, 1:00 pm

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I need to talk to people with Autism and Aspergers and I notice there are members who are in their middle 50's and late 50's posting. I've had problems like this when I was even your age and was laid off along with everyone else at times when the economy was so bad. I just need someone to allow me to be in the workforce part time so I don't feel so useless. And yes, I've had some serious bouts of depression even during my teens, so this has been an on going thing with me. It just affects me worse now.


This is what i meant. That you feel useless NOW, because you suddenly stopped working. Your problem could be more about retirement then aspergers.

Also, they may be an organic cause. I assume you are married. When the woman gets her menopause, the man's brain sense this, and gets depressed. The logic of natural selection, is to get reed of the old goat, for a younger one that can have babies (isn't natural selection romantic or what?).


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05 Jun 2012, 1:12 pm

<----- Attempted suicide. Earned him 2 days in a public hospital then 2 months in a state psych hospital.

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05 Jun 2012, 1:26 pm

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I need to talk to people with Autism and Aspergers and I notice there are members who are in their middle 50's and late 50's posting. I've had problems like this when I was even your age and was laid off along with everyone else at times when the economy was so bad. I just need someone to allow me to be in the workforce part time so I don't feel so useless. And yes, I've had some serious bouts of depression even during my teens, so this has been an on going thing with me. It just affects me worse now.


This is what i meant. That you feel useless NOW, because you suddenly stopped working. Your problem could be more about retirement then aspergers.

Also, they may be an organic cause. I assume you are married. When the woman gets her menopause, the man's brain sense this, and gets depressed. The logic of natural selection, is to get reed of the old goat, for a younger one that can have babies (isn't natural selection romantic or what?).


I find a human relationship unacceptable. Never been in one, don't intend to be in one either. And yes, my problem is related to Autism since it hurts to be ignored or laughed at because people can't be decent to me, treat me decent and give me a decent answer which is far worse than not getting a job itself.

This is what's churning the problem more than not getting part time work. Empathy and respect goes a long ways as it shows the other person really care though the answer may be no. At least it's an answer, though it may be one I may not like.

I would have no problem getting part time work if I want to work at a nursing home, restaurant or at Goodwill where they are always crying for help. But, I want to work outside. Since I've had feeling of worthlessness during periods of times when I was laid off during bad times, with Autistics it is much more intense.

You should know that people with Autism and Aspergers are much more sensitve to situations like that regardless of the age. If I wasn't Autistic, I don't think this would bother me near as much as I would be able to cope with situations like this much better. I have never done very well when it comes to coping, so I hope you don't put me in catogories of age or whether I'm retired or have menopause, but try to work on the problems that we all have. If I've never had these problems of the past than I might say it is my age and the fact that I'm retired. Just to let you know I went through a natural menopause about 20 years ago and I didn't hardly notice. It didn't change the issues that I've had all my life either.



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05 Jun 2012, 3:19 pm

I get depressed and have contemplated suicide a few times. I even went as far as to collect the supplies I'd need to end my life - but that was drug induced. I have Fibromyalgia also and have had to deal with pain every minute for the last 22 years. It wears on you. My doc gave me Lyrica. It helped some until it didn't. I'd read that it could cause suicidal thoughts but I didn't believe it. I do now. Even after quitting the drug, I still dip into that state every now and then. If you're taking any drugs, re-check the side effects. You might have missed something.

When I get seriously depressed, I take a nap. Why fight it? And if I can't sleep, I watch a sad movie that makes me cry my eyes out (The Dollmaker) and then take the nap. When I wake up, I don't get out of bed right away. I make a plan. I create a new project or work out a way to finish one I've already started. I think of a recipe I want to make. I give myself a reason to be.

It doesn't just happen. It's hard work every time. I have to put out the effort. If I don't feel like it, I take another nap. I've never gotten past three consecutive naps because my body starts aching bad if I lay down too long. lol

Volunteering to help others, formally or informally, is always helpful to my soul. It gets my thoughts off my pitiful self. I volunteered for a few citizen committees at City Hall (Public Works and the City Council Advisory) and now I'm an appointed planning commissioner. I read agendas and attend a lot of meetings where I often speak and make decisions that help the City's business along. It does a lot for my self worth.


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05 Jun 2012, 5:36 pm

I feel as if...I can feel for you on the suicidal thoughts. I have dealt with then for 6 months now...you feel alone as if someone is just not there & different. Right now I'm dealing with it, I feel like running away I'm so confused turning in circles don't get me wrong I'm not stupid. I have been to so many counselors & doctors & tooken so many meds. Does any of you know about ADHD? I was put in a mental hospital not too long ago it was pretty scary ,but I'm strong I survived. I learned to never give up. I may not happy ,but I get through things. I am single. I can't drive. I love sports. I just wish one person would understand & talk to me. I don't talk about it much. I don't like people, or hugs. I love to read & to draw. Suicide has made a big effect on me ,but I have not done it. I plan on not doing it yet. I need help still. I pray every night someone will just find the right cure for us. <3



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05 Jun 2012, 11:01 pm

After being thrown in a hospital at the age of 12 for telling the school counselor I wished I could end the bullying I learned never to mention suicidal ideations to unfamiliar people. The thoughts come and go, and I've gotten to consider them part of the mood swings. I usually go through the different methods internally and 'play out' each one and after 5 or 6 of the 1000s of ways I lapse into self-injury mode and come out of it like any other MD. Occasionally I'll wish for a heart attack or an aneurysm but again it comes with the territory, right along with an uptick in episodes during times of feeling purposeless. I read that in the book of Job he had a meltdown of sorts when he was getting all his stuff taken away, crying out at God and self-injuring with an infected shard of pottery, Yeah, BT,DT


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06 Jun 2012, 2:54 am

Suicide has always followed my family like a second shadow, I think. My older sister tried to kill herself when she was 14, but she's ok now. She and I both went through a period of severe depression in which I know I had thought about suicide, and researched a method I could carry out at my age in my home, but I was too afraid of how much it would hurt before I died.

2 months ago, I accidentally saved my aunt from suicide (accidentally probably isn't the right word, I was sent to visit with a parcel for a distant relative she was going to visit from my mum) and she's been depressed since I can remember. Sometimes it seems like it can only be so long before suicide catches up with one of us, but I know now that I am far to cowardly for it to be me.


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06 Jun 2012, 3:49 am

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I would have no problem getting part time work if I want to work at a nursing home, restaurant or at Goodwill where they are always crying for help. But, I want to work outside. Since I've had feeling of worthlessness during periods of times when I was laid off during bad times, with Autistics it is much more intense.

You should know that people with Autism and Aspergers are much more sensitve to situations like that regardless of the age. If I wasn't Autistic, I don't think this would bother me near as much as I would be able to cope with situations like this much better. I have never done very well when it comes to coping, so I hope you don't put me in catogories of age or whether I'm retired or have menopause, but try to work on the problems that we all have. If I've never had these problems of the past than I might say it is my age and the fact that I'm retired. Just to let you know I went through a natural menopause about 20 years ago and I didn't hardly notice. It didn't change the issues that I've had all my life either.


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06 Jun 2012, 4:28 am

I constantly have these feelings, I've almost built an immunity to it.


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06 Jun 2012, 5:33 am

Interesting......59-year-old Aspie here, never had a serious suicidal thought in my life, at least so far, though I've been very down from time to time..

My only conscious "need" for a job is for the money. If you're now financially secure with a pension or whatever, that'a a great help. If you need money it's rather more difficult.

On the other hand I wouldn't want to ignore the other effects of not having a job. Even a radical left-winger such as myself doesn't imagine that I will lose nothing but my chains when I retire (which may be quite soon). True, I comfort myself with thoughts of liberation from wage-slavery, and I like to think I've sidestepped the trap of defining myself in terms of employment, but that question "what do you do?" is still very important to me, and I feel I need an answer when people ask me that. So I imagine that when the job's over, my salvation willl depend on how proactive I am.........I've always said I don't need a boss to tell me what to do, so I guess it will be my chance to prove it., when there is no employer to motivate me with fear. That's quite a challenge for a negatively-driven guy like me.

I'm sorry to read of your suicidal thoughts. I guess it makes sense in terms of the displacement theory - people have been frustrating your initiatives, even laughing at you, and there's nothing ypu can do to get back at them, so you begin to turn your anger onto yourself. If you recognise yourself in that theory, all I can say is don't give those as*holes the satisfaction. Don't take it personally that they aren't interested in helping you. They aren't interested in helping anybody. There's nothing wrong with you. It's them.



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06 Jun 2012, 5:39 am

I feel suicidal all the time, sometimes I have thoughts of killing myself and even planning suicide. I never actually try to do it however (well for now). Mostly this is caused by depression and feelings of inferiority due to AS.


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06 Jun 2012, 6:25 am

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Interesting......59-year-old Aspie here, never had a serious suicidal thought in my life, at least so far, though I've been very down from time to time..

My only conscious "need" for a job is for the money. If you're now financially secure with a pension or whatever, that'a a great help. If you need money it's rather more difficult.

On the other hand I wouldn't want to ignore the other effects of not having a job. Even a radical left-winger such as myself doesn't imagine that I will lose nothing but my chains when I retire (which may be quite soon). True, I comfort myself with thoughts of liberation from wage-slavery, and I like to think I've sidestepped the trap of defining myself in terms of employment, but that question "what do you do?" is still very important to me, and I feel I need an answer when people ask me that. So I imagine that when the job's over, my salvation willl depend on how proactive I am.........I've always said I don't need a boss to tell me what to do, so I guess it will be my chance to prove it., when there is no employer to motivate me with fear. That's quite a challenge for a negatively-driven guy like me.

I'm sorry to read of your suicidal thoughts. I guess it makes sense in terms of the displacement theory - people have been frustrating your initiatives, even laughing at you, and there's nothing ypu can do to get back at them, so you begin to turn your anger onto yourself. If you recognise yourself in that theory, all I can say is don't give those as*holes the satisfaction. Don't take it personally that they aren't interested in helping you. They aren't interested in helping anybody. There's nothing wrong with you. It's them.



Thank you for reading my message. I was hoping you would give some feedback on this. It has really helped me starting this topic to get feedback from everyone on the subject of suicidal. Your very last paragraph really caught my attention. Given that those businesses who treat people so bad by laughing and ignoring them, I've always believe in "What goes around comes around for them". These business people have to live with their consciences. There have been situations in the past where I along with a few other people that was treated so badly, eventually they got theirs by their own behaviors.



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06 Jun 2012, 7:55 am

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Given that those businesses who treat people so bad by laughing and ignoring them, I've always believe in "What goes around comes around for them". These business people have to live with their consciences. There have been situations in the past where I along with a few other people that was treated so badly, eventually they got theirs by their own behaviors.

Glad to hear it. I think a lot of them pull one stunt too many and live to regret it.

Don't say if it's private, but do you actually NEED work for financial reasons, or is it more a need for something to do and a social thing?



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06 Jun 2012, 9:10 am

I have had those urges and thoughts since 2nd grade. I would eat mushrooms out of people yards hoping for the end.

As an adult I have more control over my environment now. My life, as a kid, was full of abuse of every type. Now I am 39 have a large home (really helps if you have a cave) and a family. In my home I am safe and the environment suits me.

I can't recommend strongly enough to try and find a place where you are safe. Safe to be as you are, not as you are expected.

...and if nothing else delay. I have delayed action for several days when things are at their worst. I'm still here and I am not going anywere. My last battle with it was a month ago when I hit my lowest in over a decade. The pain helped me realize I was an aspie.



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06 Jun 2012, 10:27 am

My kids are the only reason I am alive. Well, maybe them and the fact that I haven't taken enough pills to quite do the trick yet.


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06 Jun 2012, 11:01 am

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My kids are the only reason I am alive. Well, maybe them and the fact that I haven't taken enough pills to quite do the trick yet.


I know with such a violent temper I would have abused children if I any, because of the bullying I had to deal with and the school did very little to stop it. But, I do act totally different toward other children and have given them computer lessons or take a child some place upon the request of a parent. Last summer I helped a little girl get her pants leg out of the chain on her bike and suggest that she should roll up her pant legs so that don't happen again. It happened in front of my house.

My sexual orientation was determined at birth and it doesn't include humans with all the other disorders I have to deal with as an autistic adult. There are many Aspies and Autistic adults that puts a normal spin on this orientation, but I'm not one of them. However I have learned to live with it and just enjoy it.

Most of the time I'm happy as long as I can stay busy and work until I'm good and tired like I did today. It was a beautiful day to mow the yard, do some work on my backhoe loader and did some weeding. I get out, go for walks, do other things and you wouldn't believe how much that helps to reduce my depression. Yeah I know, I'm a female grease monkey. LOL

It will be interesting to see what our "all blow and no go" mayor is going to do. It's already in the middle of the week and haven't heard a word after he said he would get back with me early in the week. I decided they all can kiss my ass, I love living to much to do something as stupid as commit suicide or even thinking about it. I also thank you all for contributing.