Do you find that AS gives the wrong impression? (IQ)

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11 Jun 2012, 3:31 pm

I am gifted and I don't care.

I really enjoy working with kids whose IQ scores fall into the borderline intellectual functioning range because I have a lot in common with many of them.

Obviously, what I have in common with them isn't my IQ score on a standardised test but the unusual learning style, those learning difficulties that are quite independent of the IQ, the sensory issues, the need to plan activities in a slightly different way than what normal people need... first time I got in contact with students like that in 2008, I was perfectly comfortable to be helping kids who have - on the surface - such as different disorder/impairment than me, but who have very similar issues.

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BTW I know you can not see peoples IQ, but you can see if someone has Downs syndrome and certain other disorders that include low IQ.


I'm not sure if you knew but a person with Down's Syndrome (the same goes for a person with FAS, I think that disorder is common enough to include it here) isn't necessarily mentally ret*d even if they do turn out to have an intellectual impairment.

In many/most cases, the diagnosis of AS is legit if made for a child/adult who scores somewhere in the borderline intellectual functioning range.


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11 Jun 2012, 3:33 pm

It's not all that uncommon for people with down syndrome to also be diagnosed with autism of some form. You don't have to have an above average IQ to have AS, from my understanding, the biggest difference between "high functioning autism" and AS is a speech delay.



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11 Jun 2012, 3:38 pm

Sora wrote:
I'm not sure if you knew but a person with Down's Syndrome (the same goes for a person with FAS, I think that disorder is common enough to include it here) isn't necessarily mentally ret*d even if they do turn out to have an intellectual impairment.

In many/most cases, the diagnosis of AS is legit if made for a child/adult who scores somewhere in the borderline intellectual functioning range.


Yes, I have had a similar experience as you had when teaching. I think it is possibly because we both shared the experience of being different.

I did not know that! Then I stand corrected. You can not see IQ in any case. I surrender! :lol:



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11 Jun 2012, 3:39 pm

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I am not talking about people who may seem ret*d, I am talking about people who actually are. I have nothing against them, but they should not have received an AS diagnosis according to the diagnostic criteria.

For me, the whole point with having the term Asperger's (or any diagnosis), outside of a doctors office, is that it makes it easier for people to understand you. Ideally I should be able to tell my teacher that I have Asperger's, and then there would be no need to say that I have a normal IQ, trouble with group exercises, smalltalk etc. etc. With that in mind, it is not productive. It gives the wrong impression.

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not everyone with aspergers has a normal IQ and aspergers is actually autism, hence the reason the term aspergers wont be in the DSM5 people with it will instead be considered to have autism and be on the autism spectrum.


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11 Jun 2012, 3:41 pm

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It's not all that uncommon for people with down syndrome to also be diagnosed with autism of some form. You don't have to have an above average IQ to have AS, from my understanding, the biggest difference between "high functioning autism" and AS is a speech delay.


Which is ridiculous if you ask me.....to give a seperate diagnoses based on a single symptom seems silly. I say aspergers is autism and there are different severity levels of autism.


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11 Jun 2012, 3:43 pm

I was repeatedly asked if I was ret*d by many of my peers when I was in school. I was also picked on as well. I was even convinced that I was ret*d until my mum told me about my HFA, when I was 15. I wish that I would have known the truth about myself at the age of 9 or 10. I wouldn't have been in the dark all those years, if I knew.


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11 Jun 2012, 3:45 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
psychegots wrote:
I edited the first post as recommended. Maybe it expresses my thoughts better.

BTW I know you can not see peoples IQ, but you can see if someone has Downs syndrome and certain other disorders that include low IQ.


What is to say someone could not have Downs Syndrome and autism? also I was under the impression not everyone with Downs syndrome is actually mentally ret*d, hmm maybe its one of those generalizations.




I was told it was impossible to have DS and not have MR. So all DS people have MR ranging from mild to severe.


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11 Jun 2012, 3:47 pm

1. Which mentally ret*d people get misdiagnosed with Asperger's? There's actually a genome and chromosomal diagnosis for MR, so I'm confused.

2. If they are misdiagnosed with AS or autism, what difference does that make to you?

3. Come 2013, the term 'Asperger's' may disappear anyway and we'll be included in the autism dialogue. In essence, this brings us closer to mental retardation than Asperger's. In fact, I'm sure that if they did get rid of the Asperger's terminology today, people would leave WP because they'll say, "I'm not ret*d! Get me out of here!"



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11 Jun 2012, 3:50 pm

League_Girl wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
psychegots wrote:
I edited the first post as recommended. Maybe it expresses my thoughts better.

BTW I know you can not see peoples IQ, but you can see if someone has Downs syndrome and certain other disorders that include low IQ.


What is to say someone could not have Downs Syndrome and autism? also I was under the impression not everyone with Downs syndrome is actually mentally ret*d, hmm maybe its one of those generalizations.




I was told it was impossible to have DS and not have MR. So all DS people have MR ranging from mild to severe.


hmm well as I said that's not what I heard but it is certainly possible...I knew those can go together but I did not know they had to.


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11 Jun 2012, 3:59 pm

League_Girl wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
psychegots wrote:
I edited the first post as recommended. Maybe it expresses my thoughts better.

BTW I know you can not see peoples IQ, but you can see if someone has Downs syndrome and certain other disorders that include low IQ.


What is to say someone could not have Downs Syndrome and autism? also I was under the impression not everyone with Downs syndrome is actually mentally ret*d, hmm maybe its one of those generalizations.




I was told it was impossible to have DS and not have MR. So all DS people have MR ranging from mild to severe.


That's what I thought too. I was also told that DS is a learning disability. Whereas Autism (including Aspergers) is a developmental disorder.



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11 Jun 2012, 4:30 pm

I'm not expert on this topic, what I know I learnt mostly from young adults who have the disability and their relatives (edit: and reading studies and interesting articles they pointed out). Some tend to be equally outspoken about demystifying their disorder or the disorder of the child and determined to clear up popular and old misconceptions as some autistic people and their relatives are about ASDs too.

Basically, a person with one of the types of Trisomy 21/Down's Syndrome can have any IQ.

That said, statistically, most people with the disorder are said to have an intellectual disability within the range associated with mild mental retardation (and, I think, moderate mental retardation).

Remember that it is an average someone/some people claimed is true. There are those who have a lower IQ score than that just as those who do not have MR but who have a lower than average IQ but there are also people with an average IQ and who may struggle with many other common and serious health issues connected to having DS.


DS isn't simply a low IQ score or a learning impairment. Defining it as such would be like saying autism is a type of speech impairment.

Come to think of it, there are these two really popular persons with DS who are gifted IQ-wise. An Italian guy and, I think, a Japanese woman.


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11 Jun 2012, 4:31 pm

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How can you see someone and determine they are "clinically ret*d" when someone has to be observed, tested, etc in a clinical setting to determine that they are clinically ret*d. The way you're coming across is. "I can spot a ret*d from a mile away".

Not trying to beat you up. I'm trying to help you understand how you'll be perceived. This thread is going to back fire on you in a big way. My advice to you is delete what you wrote and find a more tactful way to express yourself. Doesn't matter to me if you do or don't, I have my popcorn ready.


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11 Jun 2012, 4:51 pm

redrobin62 wrote:
1. Which mentally ret*d people get misdiagnosed with Asperger's? There's actually a genome and chromosomal diagnosis for MR, so I'm confused.

2. If they are misdiagnosed with AS or autism, what difference does that make to you?

3. Come 2013, the term 'Asperger's' may disappear anyway and we'll be included in the autism dialogue. In essence, this brings us closer to mental retardation than Asperger's. In fact, I'm sure that if they did get rid of the Asperger's terminology today, people would leave WP because they'll say, "I'm not ret*d! Get me out of here!"


But autism and mental retardation are two different things...


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11 Jun 2012, 4:59 pm

Where are these people who are mentally ret*d that claim to have AS though? Examples?

Really, I doubt you'd find many people with both, as they usually lump people with MR under AD.

(We also know how IQ tests don't always provide an accurate portrayal in people with ASDs.)



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11 Jun 2012, 5:21 pm

I used to score in the mild ret*d range under age eight. Then I scored above it when I was eight and then just about average when I was 10 and then I got a 99 at age 11. Then it was above average in 6th grade I was told.

My IQ score was inaccurate growing up.


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11 Jun 2012, 5:47 pm

Oh God, not another one of these threads, we just had one, didn't we? :chin:


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