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11 Jun 2012, 5:40 pm

monjanse wrote:
i can read some facial expressions like sad or happy and angry. Should i re evaluate the diagnosis, since i watch eyes and can read facial expressions?

How do you know this? Did you take an online test of sorts?

Edit: Sorry, should have read the whole thread
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I scored high on the eyetest. Most of my answers on the eyetest was guessing.

The eye test is flawed in many ways. It's a thread on this forum about it somewhere, I will try to find the link.
Edit2: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt167262.html


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11 Jun 2012, 5:44 pm

I think most people can read basic and unsubtle facial expressions. A smile is pretty much universal, right? Its the more complex expressions that's difficult to read. When I was a child I learned facial expressions from cartoons and kiddie shows like Sesame Street which often teaches basic emotions and their expressions. Being a cartoonist myself I'm very good at drawing expressions into my characters but for years I thought real people didn't show expressions or they were less exaggerated for me to notice. But when I show expressions it's very clear how I'm feeling. My face even changes while I thinking or daydreaming, and my mother once said I change my face several times in under a minute!



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11 Jun 2012, 5:44 pm

I scored well on the RMET, but I suck at knowing what people are thinking from their faces in real life. In real-time, I don't process it automatically like NTs do, and I don't think about it consciously either, so I just have no idear in my blissful oblivousness. I could probably think about it consciously, if I grew a second brain in a second story of my head, but I haven't figured out how to do that yet.



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11 Jun 2012, 6:32 pm

Id fair a lot worse if I wasn't taught in second grade. At that time I could only "read" happy, sad and mad. :D :( :x
I'm thankful for the extra work that was put in on her own time!! Wish there were more people like her out there. :salut:



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11 Jun 2012, 7:12 pm

Yeah, I can read facial expressions. If the corners of the mouth turn up, it's a smile. If the corners of the mouth go down and the eyebrows come together, it's a frown. Is that smile a smirk, a grin, or schadenfreude? I dunno. Is the person angry at me, glaring at me, or just concentrating on a problem? I dunno. I know what those emotions are, and have always known, but I never knew just which faces were doing which. What's worse, I didn't _know_ that I didn't know! I had no idea until the doctor gave me a photograph test with no other cues attached (no hair, no ears, no jewelry, no background, etc) just how many subtleties I was missing. I could tell that I was flunking miserably at naming emotions well before we finished, and it was a complete surprise to me, and I was about 64 years old at the time!

Later, my psychologist at the Mental Health Center did a different test on me, with six faces and six named emotions on each page, and I was supposed to match them. Perfect score! I did it with my test-taking skills, getting the easiest first and eliminating possible answers as I went. The test that diagnosed me had no suggested emotions for me to pick out and eliminate: I just had to find the right word for the picture, and couldn't.

Back when I was in college, almost fifty years ago now, one of my roommates decided that she was going to help me improve my social life, meaning "BOYS". She picked up immediately on the mechanical walk (I already knew that I was a terrible social dancer). She noticed that when I was in conversation with a group, that I was "mugging", with exaggerated, inappropriate expressions. She thought that I was trying to be a comedian. I knew that I wasn't, and thought I was just doing the same expressions as everyone else, but to a "normal person's" perception from the outside, my face looked like a comedy act. And of course, in those days practically nobody knew much of anything about Asperger's, Autism, or the difference from NTs. But I did take her word for it, and worked on serenity, or very little expression, or trying an attractive slight smile and holding it there, more or less, in a mirror. It did seem to help. I had already learned eye contact, consciously, from my very smart mother and from speech classes.

It was such a great revelation when I got almost accidentally diagnosed almost fifty years later, and started learning about Asperger's, Autism, and things like "mirror neurons". It solved so many mysteries about my life, of which Suzie's perceptions were only a few.


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11 Jun 2012, 10:25 pm

I can read facial expressions and body language. Apparently I don't have much facial expressions. This comes in handy when I need to lie.


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12 Jun 2012, 8:12 am

I do really well on face expression tests if I have multiple choice answers to choose from. I get close to 100%. But if I cover the answers with my hand and try to guess the emotion first then uncover the answers I only get the most basic ones right. Anything slightly more obscure and the answer I came up with usually isn't one of the multiple choice answers on offer. So in real life when you don't get multiple choice options it makes it harder to know what people think and feel plus people's faces aren't static photos. They change in a moment so it's hard to keep up.



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14 Dec 2015, 7:38 am

I can read most of facial expressions. I am easy to tell if someone is sad, happy, or is quizzical, scheming or is flirting with me. But I have trouble in understanding the other's perspectives, intentions, behaviors. For example, when someone is angry, I have a hard time to figure out why is he angry and I have big trouble to convince him to tell me why is he angry.


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14 Dec 2015, 7:50 am

I'm good with reading body language, including facial expressions and tone of voice. I could always tell if somebody likes me, somebody hates me, or somebody's physically attracted to me. I can even tell the difference between someone really attracted to me personally, and just someone flirting or just being friendly. At school I knew the other girls in my class didn't want me hanging about with them, just by their body language, but I just stuck with them anyway because I was afraid of being seen on my own.


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14 Dec 2015, 7:58 am

I can read them too. Also, my sensory issues are so mild I barely notice them. But I'm an aspie since I have the core traits.



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14 Dec 2015, 6:48 pm

monjanse wrote:
I have aspergers syndrome, but i can read some facial expressions like sad or happy and angry. Should i re evaluate the diagnosis, since i watch eyes and can read facial expressions?

Well, so can I. Sometimes not all that accurately, and never quite as accurately as I believe. :oops:

For instance, a person might be obviously faking (I'm especially bad with sadness, crying or anger) in order to manipulate me, and I won't get it. I will even argue with good friends who are much better at reading people, in defense of poor, misunderstood guy who is just having a really bad day and needs change for the bus, my phone number or a hug. 8O

A person can have serious vision problems and not know it until something happens to clue them in. My boyfriend's family didn't figure out he needed glasses until he started having problems in school - at age 13 - because he couldn't see the chalkboard even from the front row! He could see, but that didn't mean he could see as well as most people, or even well enough to function in school.



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14 Dec 2015, 7:35 pm

I think I've trained myself to be able to read facial expressions, it doesn't come naturally to me and I have to think about it (pull the information out from brain storage) but I absolutely can. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people on the spectrum use this method to varying degrees of accuracy.



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14 Dec 2015, 7:58 pm

I can read facial expressions. I did the test.
I can go to parties, and sometimes even have a good time.
I also need 2 days of silence and solitide afterwards to recover.


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14 Dec 2015, 8:56 pm

i cant understand facial expression..
i cant know my father face



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14 Dec 2015, 11:28 pm

I can read both facial expressions and body language really well IF I bother to look.

First, I don't like looking at people if I'm trying to also understand the words they're speaking or trying to figure out what to say back to them. Second, even if I do look at them, I can't process their body language/facial expressions quickly enough to respond to that information in the moment in a natural and fluid kind of way. I store the data for later evaluation, and then can pick it apart and put words to it and understand it pretty well, but then it's too late to inform my responses in that conversation.

I think I learned all of this because I grew up in a dysfunctional family where I had to read body language in order to know how to protect myself. But it's a self-taught skill, kind of like how a pilot can learn to read complex instruments in a fighter jet. It takes significant processing bandwidth in my head, and it's exhausting.


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17 Dec 2015, 3:40 am

I score really well with online facial expression test but I'm completely oblivious offline. I have a rare low vision disorder, my brain has problems processing things I do see visually & I don't really look at people's faces.


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