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27 Jun 2012, 10:22 pm

Eloping is something most children with Autism grow out of, and by the way, many neurotypical children elope as well! It's called being a parent. If your kid is at risk of running, you watch him closer. Just because the news likes to publicize whenever a child with Autism does this does not mean that now we have to get rid of all the children with Autism. Why not just get rid of all children? Then no one has to take care of anyone ever, because that seems to be your big issue. Kids cost a lot of money, they're a lot of maintenance, they take a lot of effort, let's just get rid of them all. Now we can all be rich.



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27 Jun 2012, 10:28 pm

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Eloping is something most children with Autism grow out of, and by the way, many neurotypical children elope as well! It's called being a parent. If your kid is at risk of running, you watch him closer. Just because the news likes to publicize whenever a child with Autism does this does not mean that now we have to get rid of all the children with Autism. Why not just get rid of all children? Then no one has to take care of anyone ever, because that seems to be your big issue. Kids cost a lot of money, they're a lot of maintenance, they take a lot of effort, let's just get rid of them all. Now we can all be rich.


D*mn, I like this idea, and you weren't serious :( (I dislike the noise kids that aren't mine make, which is all of them right now.. :P)

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28 Jun 2012, 12:51 am

If we get rid of the LFA, are we going to get rid of the schizophrenics, people with Bipolar, people who have other mental illnesses and people who have other neurological disorders? They also cost people tax money.


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28 Jun 2012, 1:08 am

In terms of curing autism goes, it is very hard to "cure" a type of brain wiring. There is a reason why there is no cure now. The only viable solutions that might be a cure in the future would likely be a combo of hormone treatments and stem cell therapy. You have to rewire the brain. While it might be a possibility in the future, I highly doubt we are the least bit close to this becoming a real possibility anytime soon.



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28 Jun 2012, 1:10 am

Last I heard, people with high-functioning autism are just as disabled as anyone else with autism.

Funny that.



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28 Jun 2012, 1:30 am

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If we get rid of the LFA, are we going to get rid of the schizophrenics, people with Bipolar, people who have other mental illnesses and people who have other neurological disorders? They also cost people tax money.


Exactly. Or any disability at all for that matter, physical, mental, neurological alike. There are A LOT of HFA people on disability, including AS, I guess the cure would take care of all of us though, so good thing. (sarcasm)

I don't like how you're implying there's nothing wrong with a person who has asperger's other than being socially inept. Stop acting like we're all so different. The main difference is people like you coming along and deciding things for us. We ALL have our struggles, we ALL weaknesses and we ALL have our strengths, HFA, LFA, AS, and even *gasp* NT!! No! They can't possibly have anything wrong with them, can they!? (more sarcasm)


Also, I've come across more families with neurotypicals who took off than I have families with autistic kids. And I've worked with several families with at least one LFA child.


Just because you choose to follow the ignorance craze doesn't make it true and it doesn't make it a smart idea to come onto an autism forum and tell people that it's autism that's causing the world so much financial trouble. You couldn't be further from the truth when it comes to fact as opposed to ignorance fueled opinion.



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28 Jun 2012, 1:36 am

The world tried eugenics back in the first half of the twentieth century and it was an epic disaster. The reasoning behind some of it was cost. In fact, the Nazis even made propaganda films to try and make people sympathize with the idea of euthanizing the mentally ill. In the US, they held competitions at county fairs for the best breeding family. The US even forcibly sterilized children who had a bad semester or two of grade school because the teacher submitted their name as one who should undergo the procedure. Of course, this only happened in the ancient times and the last person subjugated to this invasion by the state was in 1978 (Alabama if memory serves).

Now as to actually curing LFA, what exactly do you propose? Do you want someone poking around in the brains of LFA people to try and "normalize" them? What happens if they fail and these people become vegetables, do we then euthanize them to keep them from becoming a further burden on the government? Or are you one of those morons who think that we can develop a magic pill to make everyone average and normal?

Honestly though, if you really want to save society money, how about working towards slashing military spending instead? Is there really any good reason why over 40% of the military spending in the entire world needs to be spent by the US? Likewise, why is 59% of the US budget spent on the military industrial complex? If you want to cut costs then perhaps this is a better thing to look at than someone who has a relatively rare condition and needs care. Perhaps also, if we learned how to engage the minds of these people constructively, more of them could become contributing members of society and bring benefits worth many times the cost of their care.


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28 Jun 2012, 2:42 am

twich wrote:
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If we get rid of the LFA, are we going to get rid of the schizophrenics, people with Bipolar, people who have other mental illnesses and people who have other neurological disorders? They also cost people tax money.


Exactly. Or any disability at all for that matter, physical, mental, neurological alike. There are A LOT of HFA people on disability, including AS, I guess the cure would take care of all of us though, so good thing. (sarcasm)

I don't like how you're implying there's nothing wrong with a person who has asperger's other than being socially inept. Stop acting like we're all so different. The main difference is people like you coming along and deciding things for us. We ALL have our struggles, we ALL weaknesses and we ALL have our strengths, HFA, LFA, AS, and even *gasp* NT!! No! They can't possibly have anything wrong with them, can they!? (more sarcasm)


Also, I've come across more families with neurotypicals who took off than I have families with autistic kids. And I've worked with several families with at least one LFA child.


Just because you choose to follow the ignorance craze doesn't make it true and it doesn't make it a smart idea to come onto an autism forum and tell people that it's autism that's causing the world so much financial trouble. You couldn't be further from the truth when it comes to fact as opposed to ignorance fueled opinion.



I need to cure myself so I will also stop taking peoples tax money. :lol:


(I assume your post was directed at the OP)


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28 Jun 2012, 8:54 am

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I don't think you can "cure" different brain wiring... You can learn to adapt it into something looking normal-ish, but the wiring will still not be normal.

Unless you are talking about some sort of eugenics... Which I don't really think would work, either, unless you were to abort every fetus that showed the brain wave patterns of autism.

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Since when is mental disability just "different brain wiring"? What do you know about "brain wiring"? It can't really be adapted to. Lack of basic skills isn't something one adapts to in a way that lets them live well. I wonder what your definition of eugenics is. Abortion has nothing to do with cure.



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28 Jun 2012, 9:17 am

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Not this again. Look, you've been told several times that having a disability like Autism isn't the end of the world. I'm tired of seeing these threads from you.

Instead of rejecting something you can't help, embrace it. Most of us have. Besides, there will never be a cure for differently wired brains.

No one is perfect. Everyone has flaws.


You aren't showing any serious understanding of the immensity of the disability often involved. What meaningful reason is there to embrace something just cause it can't be helped? Bad things should be rejected no matter what. Inevitability doesn't make something tolerable, much less likable. Scientists think a cure is possible. What do you know that they don't?



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28 Jun 2012, 9:20 am

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Last I heard, people with high-functioning autism are just as disabled as anyone else with autism.

Funny that.


You didn't hear that.



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28 Jun 2012, 9:22 am

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Last I heard, people with high-functioning autism are just as disabled as anyone else with autism.

Funny that.


You didn't hear that.


You're probably correct that he likely did not hear that specifically. He probably heard something like this article on how people with milder forms of autism do not fare any better in life than those with more severe forms of the disorder.



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28 Jun 2012, 9:27 am

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I think low function autism should be cure because it cost society 3.2 million dollars take care of each LFA person. I also think AS should be just be a social disorder because people with AS are more aware of social situations Than people low function autism. I hope for a cure in 20-30 years. NVLD should be study more because people with an NVLD always are mis dx with AS.


Then society can go cry about it. A cure and/or treatment should be to help the individual with the disorder....not because it's cheaper for society if they are cured.


Agreed. I'm all for treatment to help the individual; (such as sensory issues and speech) but not to take away parts that make the person who they are. (interests and so on)



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28 Jun 2012, 9:31 am

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The world tried eugenics back in the first half of the twentieth century and it was an epic disaster. The reasoning behind some of it was cost. In fact, the Nazis even made propaganda films to try and make people sympathize with the idea of euthanizing the mentally ill. In the US, they held competitions at county fairs for the best breeding family. The US even forcibly sterilized children who had a bad semester or two of grade school because the teacher submitted their name as one who should undergo the procedure. Of course, this only happened in the ancient times and the last person subjugated to this invasion by the state was in 1978 (Alabama if memory serves).

Now as to actually curing LFA, what exactly do you propose? Do you want someone poking around in the brains of LFA people to try and "normalize" them? What happens if they fail and these people become vegetables, do we then euthanize them to keep them from becoming a further burden on the government? Or are you one of those morons who think that we can develop a magic pill to make everyone average and normal?

Your invented sob stories of what cure would be don't resemble the greatness that will come from handing over ability to the LFA, which will leave all with the abilities they need, leveling away the disparities in ability between individuals that now exist.

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Perhaps also, if we learned how to engage the minds of these people constructively, more of them could become contributing members of society and bring benefits worth many times the cost of their care.

Prove you can do such a thing, whatever that means.



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28 Jun 2012, 9:35 am

Verdandi wrote:
dalurker wrote:
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Last I heard, people with high-functioning autism are just as disabled as anyone else with autism.

Funny that.


You didn't hear that.


You're probably correct that he likely did not hear that specifically. He probably heard something like this article on how people with milder forms of autism do not fare any better in life than those with more severe forms of the disorder.


That article doesn't contradict the reality of the many aspies out there who have academic success, followed by actual career success, who have learned social skills on their own, and who even have friends and families. Nobody is saying that all under the category of HFA are prosperous.



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28 Jun 2012, 9:39 am

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What wrong with you guys? Low function autistic people are always going missing because of bad awareness.


Yes I am sure every low functioning autistic is always going missing are you basing this on the few occasions when it makes it onto the news that an autistic child wandered off so they are searching for them? And since when are higher functioning people or people with aspergers immune to this issue.


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