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dyingofpoetry
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30 Jun 2012, 10:41 pm

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who here finds that getting a buzz or drunk makes you talk like an "NT"? I do =( i hate how i have to drink just to talk to people i am shy around.


It only causes you to think you're acting like an NT, when you're really just acting like a drunk.... Pretty much the same thing that it does to NTs when THEY drink and think that it makes them charming and witty...

Acting like an NT drunk or an aspie drunk? Is there a difference?


I don't know... Maybe alcohol is the Great Equalizer. :wink:


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30 Jun 2012, 10:56 pm

When I drink I feel like I fit in easier but I don't like the way it makes me feel. I normally throw up too so it's never fun in the end.


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30 Jun 2012, 11:02 pm

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Two problems with that, though:

1) It's natural for aspies not to care. We learn to care when not being able to naturally participate brings negative consequences.

2) My NT wife says that it's not a matter of caring or not caring for NTs. It's fairly natural to participate in social functions, she says. They don't spend time thinking about it because it happens somewhat automatically.

Perhaps most importantly, when I drink, this is true of me. Not when sober. This is why I think drinking does make me more NT, rather than just make me think I am.



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30 Jun 2012, 11:11 pm

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It doesn't make me (or probably you =P) like an NT. Alcohol just makes everyone talkative and emotional and less able to focus on small details. It sounds like being more NT, but you still don't have a clue what is and isn't expected, proper social behavior. You just don't gave a s*** xd

I'm just playing around with this idea at the moment so when I challenge your point here, I'm not sold on my idea yet but just putting it out there.

One of the main "problems" aspies have seems to be focussing too much on the details. Drinking helps stop this from happening. Therefore we are more NT. Do we really then have the same social issues? I'm wondering if NTs are just as bad as us at "knowing what to do", but they don't give a s***, whether they are drinking or not. They don't notice or care as much when they make social mistakes, so they participate more and therefore get better at it at a faster rate (and if they still aren't great at it, nobody really cares or notices as much as an aspie would think they do).

In short, I'm suggesting that "not giving a s***" is a big part of what separates aspies from NTs.


Honestly, I can say that I don't drink and I really don't give a s**t but I still have social problems. When a person drinks to the point where they don't give a s**t it doesn't prevent other people from thinking they're an as*hole.

I think NTs focus on detail as much as anyone, they just focus on social details. Next time you're at the grocery store look at the rack of tabloids at the check out. Is there anyone on this forum that actually gives a crap about what kind of hat some rich spoiled quasi-celebrity girl wore to the beach? Or some other actresses cellulite? There are even TV channels devoted to this crap. People with ASDs miss the social details whether they are drunk or not, that's really one of the fundamental traits of ASD.

I would agree though if you said alcohol might help with social phobia for that reason.



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30 Jun 2012, 11:19 pm

yellowtamarin wrote:
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Two problems with that, though:

1) It's natural for aspies not to care. We learn to care when not being able to naturally participate brings negative consequences.

2) My NT wife says that it's not a matter of caring or not caring for NTs. It's fairly natural to participate in social functions, she says. They don't spend time thinking about it because it happens somewhat automatically.

Perhaps most importantly, when I drink, this is true of me. Not when sober. This is why I think drinking does make me more NT, rather than just make me think I am.


Not really... That would require alcohol to rewire your brain. All it is doing is causing you to not care how you appear socially. So when drinking you're merely an Aspie who is less self-conscious. That's not the same as being neurotypical.


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30 Jun 2012, 11:29 pm

dyingofpoetry wrote:
yellowtamarin wrote:
Rebel_Nowe wrote:
Two problems with that, though:

1) It's natural for aspies not to care. We learn to care when not being able to naturally participate brings negative consequences.

2) My NT wife says that it's not a matter of caring or not caring for NTs. It's fairly natural to participate in social functions, she says. They don't spend time thinking about it because it happens somewhat automatically.

Perhaps most importantly, when I drink, this is true of me. Not when sober. This is why I think drinking does make me more NT, rather than just make me think I am.


Not really... That would require alcohol to rewire your brain. All it is doing is causing you to not care how you appear socially. So when drinking you're merely an Aspie who is less self-conscious. That's not the same as being neurotypical.

But I appear more normal, others have told me so. Socialising becomes easier, more natural, and I behave more like an NT. Alcohol is a depressant, and so is inhibiting some of the brain activity that would otherwise make me more aspie. Not actual rewiring, but changing the way the brain behaves. Making it behave how an NT brain behaves when they are sober. It stops this detail-orientated mentality I have.

This is ringing true with me at the moment, hence I have worded it all personally, not generally. I currently genuinely feel that for me at least, alcohol inhibits the activity of my brain that make me more aspie-like. I would not be diagnosable as having Aspergers if I was my drunk self all the time. So what would I be, if I couldn't be diagnosed as aspie? NT...



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30 Jun 2012, 11:46 pm

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I currently genuinely feel that for me at least, alcohol inhibits the activity of my brain that make me more aspie-like. I would not be diagnosable as having Aspergers if I was my drunk self all the time. So what would I be, if I couldn't be diagnosed as aspie? NT...


I believe you would be diagnosed as alcoholic :lol:

Seriously though, I'm not saying it doesn't help you personally. I'm just saying that it's probably not the best option for most aspies. The problem with medicating with alcohol is there's a fine line between too little and too much. On top of that your tolerance builds and it becomes even harder to find that sweet spot. I have seen people who can handle medicating with alcohol, just not many. I'm not going to knock anyone for doing something that helps them. I use cannabis to 'normalize' myself.



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30 Jun 2012, 11:52 pm

I can count the times I've been drinking on 2,hands and not once has it done anything even if I'm drunk I don't wanna talk or be near people infact it makes it worse. Beer tastes like goat urin. Not a big fan.



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30 Jun 2012, 11:55 pm

Rascal77s wrote:
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I currently genuinely feel that for me at least, alcohol inhibits the activity of my brain that make me more aspie-like. I would not be diagnosable as having Aspergers if I was my drunk self all the time. So what would I be, if I couldn't be diagnosed as aspie? NT...


I believe you would be diagnosed as alcoholic :lol:

Seriously though, I'm not saying it doesn't help you personally. I'm just saying that it's probably not the best option for most aspies. The problem with medicating with alcohol is there's a fine line between too little and too much. On top of that your tolerance builds and it becomes even harder to find that sweet spot. I have seen people who can handle medicating with alcohol, just not many. I'm not going to knock anyone for doing something that helps them. I use cannabis to 'normalize' myself.

Oh, wow, yeah, I should have clarified that I am not recommending using alcohol for this reason! Just that whatever it is doing inside my brain, SOME of that is how I would like my brain to behave all the time (if I wanted to be NT). I like to have it impair my tendancy to focus on the details, but I don't like how it impairs my motor co-ordination and other things unrelated to NT/aspieness.



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01 Jul 2012, 12:05 am

hmm i can't be normal without alcohol i sure as hell aint with, honestly i get all the nt things, but do them wrong or to excess ala drunk Facebook,saying all the things you wanna say but wish you hadn't...
i like to think of life as a rpg so just pretend your in 3rd person when saying difficult things



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01 Jul 2012, 12:19 am

"...the autistic brain needs to be calmed down, learning needs to be slowed, and cognitive functions need to be diminished in order to re-instate proper functionality." (Markram, Rinaldi & Markram, 2007)

That's part of what alcohol does, right?



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01 Jul 2012, 12:22 am

alchohol kills logic and reasoning, but it makes life pleasant.
its not gonna be a treatment for anyone.



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01 Jul 2012, 12:30 am

yellowtamarin wrote:
"...the autistic brain needs to be calmed down, learning needs to be slowed, and cognitive functions need to be diminished in order to re-instate proper functionality." (Markram, Rinaldi & Markram, 2007)

That's part of what alcohol does, right?


Yes part. It's the other parts that are a problem. Also what cannabis does, for some people, without the nasty side effects of alcohol.



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01 Jul 2012, 4:06 am

Alcohol is the glue that binds us all. It lower's everyone's inhibitions, AS, NT and otherwise. I've found cannabis to have a more dissociative effect personally. It makes me go really quiet but at the same time it does reduce the number of things going on in my head (as a programmer I'd call these threads) so I can concentrate really intently on one thing. It's no good for being open and social, for me at least.



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01 Jul 2012, 3:21 pm

I spent so long trying to behave.like the.norm.and.masking.so.alcohol removes the.mask i created so im more aspie. Also as im adhd I tend to go completely hyper and im literally pinballing lol! I rarely drink now as the effects are too adverse even with just one or two


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01 Jul 2012, 3:32 pm

I believe that drinking just makes us less self-conscious. Apparently I say surprising and hilarious things when I'm drunk and in company. But really I'm just saying exactly what I'm thinking, and not censoring or second-guessing myself to the extent my sober self does.