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Scintillate
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25 Nov 2006, 2:19 pm

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A lot of what we do has no conscious thought behind it.

When we groom ourselves, or go to the gym, or advance our careers we don't think "I am doing this so that I am a better mating prospect than other people and thus I shall have more children and my genes shall be passed to the next generation." But that is the REAL motive behind such things. I'm not talking concscious motives, I'm talking the motives that evolution has beaten into us for over millions of years.


I've spent my life trying to make socialising sub-concious, but that is a battle I can't win..

I've spent my time trying to make all the various things I do subconcious, which is maybe why I get myself stuck in routines, because I can't seem to do anything without thinking of it in so many ways.


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25 Nov 2006, 2:24 pm

>>I've spent my life trying to make socialising sub-concious, but that is a battle I can't win..

I've spent my time trying to make all the various things I do subconcious, which is maybe why I get myself stuck in routines, because I can't seem to do anything without thinking of it in so many ways<<

Remember, we have to learn social things intellectually, not understand them intuitively like NT's. It's a part of who we are.



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25 Nov 2006, 2:48 pm

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>>I've spent my life trying to make socialising sub-concious, but that is a battle I can't win..

I've spent my time trying to make all the various things I do subconcious, which is maybe why I get myself stuck in routines, because I can't seem to do anything without thinking of it in so many ways<<

Remember, we have to learn social things intellectually, not understand them intuitively like NT's. It's a part of who we are.


I doa LOT subconciously. Heck, I could almost get from my home to the airport subconciously. Your subconcious CAN tap into almost any part of your mind, etc,,,

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25 Nov 2006, 10:04 pm

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SO, do you stop when you realize what you are doing?
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OH YAH - usually i realize too that it friggin hurts, too! That's usually after I say to myself "Self, you moron! What the HECK are you doing!?" 8O

About the jerk with the lighter - it never ceases to amaze me what people will do to make them feel better about themselves. The sad thing is, I used to be one of those people.

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I've spent my life trying to make socialising sub-concious, but that is a battle I can't win..


This one's a struggle for me, too. I sit and wonder if everyone is loooking at me, in fact I am sure every is, especially when I am eating, and I wonder what everyone is thinking about me. Every word I say is contemplated by those around me, and they are thinking about whether or not I am good or evil. Stupid or smart. Whether I am too fat or not. Whether I should be approved of or not. I try so hard to read what people are thinking on their faces, it drives me nuts sometimes. I'm so uncomfortable in other peoples homes because I might sit wrong on their furniture and so on..

is it the same way with you guys?


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25 Nov 2006, 10:57 pm

ShariLynn,

****THANK YOU**** You didn't explain it on the LOWEST level. I guess that is too much to expect, but I FINALLY understand the self mutilating behaviour on the highest level(how an intelligent person could just DO this for no apparant reason). WOW!

The only question left is why your sub concious decided to do that.

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26 Nov 2006, 12:38 am

Now, could someone explain to me how this thread fits inot a forum titles "General Autism Discussion"?

- As a teacher, I know that 10 years old is too young to have the kind of reflective critical thinking skills you are expecting of this kid. That's thinking skills kids develop after puberty. What seems more appropriate for you would be to talk to a therapist about why you're pushing your kid with such unrealistic expectations and then obsessing over it when he doesn't give you an answer that satisfies you. This doesn't sound like your kid's doing anything unusual for his age in his not being able to answer. But it does trouble me that this is very self-centered behavior on your part, expecting him to ease some psyhcological dischordance you're personally experiencing that probably has nothing ot do with his behavior -rather you're just projecting your distress unto him. If that is so, that's a pretty counterproductive cycle of behavior that isn't necessarily AS-related, but more of an psychological issues, and I don't think coming to an AS site is going to help you with that.

- Self-mutilation/injury is NOT stimming. Self-injury is indicative of emotional/psychological stress, whereas stimming is neurological. Please stop blurring that distinction. It is pretty uncommon for people with AS to self-injure, and those that do, do so because of other conditions like OCD, bipolar, depression or anxiety disorders and not because of their AS. More importantly, for your children's and your own safety and privacy, if you want to talk about your problem with self-injury, you may wish to take to do another site specific for that problem, or at least move the discussion to a *members-only* forum like The Haven.

- Please bear in mind that this forum isn't a substitute for a therapist or a psychiatrist. Also, this forum is for community support for people on the autism spectrum, which is a grouping of specific neurological conditions. Yes some of us have comorbid psycholgical conditions oer conditions that bridge between the neurolgical and psychological (OCD, bipolar), but ultimately this forum likely cannot provide the support you need if you're looking for help with issues like self-injury or suicidal ideation.

- And if you do want to be this open about your psychological problems here, it may be wiser not to advertise your children's names. This is a very high profile, high traffic site, and after a certain time limit, you cannot delate or edit your own posts. So whatever you post here is essentially public record and could be easily accessed by just about anyone.



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26 Nov 2006, 1:55 am

Cade wrote:
- As a teacher, I know that 10 years old is too young to have the kind of reflective critical thinking skills you are expecting of this kid. That's thinking skills kids develop after puberty.
Thank you, I never really realized that.

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What seems more appropriate for you would be to talk to a therapist about why you're pushing your kid with such unrealistic expectations and then obsessing over it when he doesn't give you an answer that satisfies you.

for the record, i dont EXPECT him to know. I do ask, for the most part, to get him to think about what is IS doing, since there are a lot of times when things are done on impulse, and yes, I am sure that's normal. Everyone does it.

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- Self-mutilation/injury is NOT stimming. Self-injury is indicative of emotional/psychological stress, whereas stimming is neurological. Please stop blurring that distinction.


I never said it was. It's the best I have to compare it to.

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More importantly, for your children's and your own safety and privacy, if you want to talk about your problem with self-injury, you may wish to take to do another site specific for that problem, or at least move the discussion to a *members-only* forum like The Haven.


There's like 300 million people in this country alone. The last thing I am worried about (in this case) is privacy. I'm 3000 times more likely to have someone treat my kids like crap because one of them 'talks funny' or 'acts wierd' than I am because their mom did something stupid once in a great while.

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Please bear in mind that this forum isn't a substitute for a therapist or a psychiatrist.
Good thing I have that taken care of already.

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Also, this forum is for community support for people on the autism spectrum, which is a grouping of specific neurological conditions. Yes some of us have comorbid psycholgical conditions oer conditions that bridge between the neurolgical and psychological (OCD, bipolar), but ultimately this forum likely cannot provide the support you need if you're looking for help with issues like self-injury or suicidal ideation.
I agree the thread got off- base, but there isn't a need to assume that I am here to get myself any help with me. I have seen that there are plenty of bipolar sites out there for individuals such as myself. If it was about me, you wouldn't have already chastized me for asking questions regarding my kid.

having said all of that, and as I said said, yes the post got off base, I guess I'm going to just leave it here. Thanks those that responded.


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