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Kiseki
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30 Jul 2012, 9:58 am

I was a very imaginative child! However, all of my imaginative play revolved around whatever special interests I had at the time. TBH, I still do this.


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30 Jul 2012, 10:43 am

I don't have a particularly rich imagination but I certainly do have some. I have been wondering about the true extent of my imaginative play back when I was a kid though, many times, mainly induced by posts here on WP.

I could write short fiction in school when I was demanded but these stories were simple and not very genuine. I could do imaginative play, for example, use toy medical instruments like a stethoscope properly, or pretend being an animal.

With my twin-sister, we often played battles with indian and cowboy figures, but these battles were simple, consisting of only one or two attacks, after the who is with whom relations were established.

When I played with trucks, their only function was to carry some kind of payload, I've never thought of any usefulness other than technical, like the transport has a value that should be payed for.

But, "normal" kids often use toys not their intended way to play something else, like the classic scene of playing guitar with a broom, but not limited to such well-known ones. Yes, I did some weird pretend play of this kind, like when I used a stick pretending it's my collector through which I get electric supply like trams do...

Fiction, classic and contemporary, just left me cold. I was about 10 years old when I started to read sci-fi books, and my mother had had a rather difficult time to get me to read classics, the literature that was compulsory reading in school.

I totally lack artistic imagination, and I always felt that I'm not as creative and/or imaginative as other people around me (I don't give up, though). This is partly the reason why I feel I'm so boring.


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30 Jul 2012, 10:51 am

People with autism do not lack imagination anymore than NTs do. That believe is a combination of misinterpretation of data and miscommunication on what lack of imagination is supposed to mean. Anyway, I'm pretty I don't even lack a social imagination: I remember a lot of my time spent playing as a small child was sharing an imaginary world with my older brother.


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30 Jul 2012, 11:19 am

I don't know. While I have worked in a creative line of work and been able to produce material that was at least moderately novel, most of my creativity seems fairly repetitive.

I think there's something to it, and I think that ASDs can impact imagination and creativity, but it may be that they don't always, like any other trait associated with ASDs. I mean, if you can have variations from speaking full sentences at 10 months to not speaking until well into adulthood, I wouldn't be surprised to find such wide variations in other aspects of autistic neurology.



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30 Jul 2012, 11:21 am

I think it may be one of the more common symptoms but then again not everybody with AS has the same symptoms. Also, I find that I'm not too imaginative when it comes to certain things but with other things I can be really imaginative about.



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30 Jul 2012, 3:34 pm

I had imagination as a child, and I also remember playing imaginative games with other children. I hated playing games like ''It'', ''Hide and Seek'' and those sorts of games because some kids (ie, older brothers) had to cheat, just to be awkward, and cheaters used to wind me up and make me reluctant to play with them. Also I always hated being ''It'', in any game, and it felt I was always picked to be ''It'', like in Hide and Seek I was always the seeker. I got fed up with it.

But I could play imaginative games better, with other children. I know it's strange for an Aspie, but I used to be able to connect with what the other children were imagining and so was able to play along. I remember once we were playing circuses, and we were all clowns, and I imagined us to all wear white bow ties with red spots all over, and then some of the other children suddenly came up to me and said, ''pretend we've all got white bow ties with red spots all over'', and I was like, ''you just read my mind!'' I must have had the same pictures in my mind of what we all ''looked like'' as our clown characters, as what they had in their minds too.


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30 Jul 2012, 4:30 pm

I haven't read the replies so sorry if I restate something that has already been said. I think "lack of imagination" refers to what is correctly called "lack of imaginative play" or "lack of pretend play". Over time things go through the grapevine and get twisted. Imaginative play becomes imagination, lack of empathy becomes emotionless, etc etc.. I don't think people with AS have a lack of imagination, many of us have too much for our own good. The other thing to remember about ASD in general is that it is not well understood and most of what we read about it comes from NT who may understand us pretty well but still can't personally experience ASD. Here is something you might find interesting. I'll paste part of it but you really should read the whole thing, it's not very long.

http://www.latrobe.edu.au/otarc/assets/downloads/Posters%20for%20web/CD_ISSBD06_Pretend_play_v2.pdf



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The children with high functioning AD engaged in pretend play and, with
the exception of Object Substitution, they showed similar levels and
frequencies of play as the TD children under both elicited and spontaneous
conditions. The children with AspD also readily engaged in elicited and
spontaneous pretend play. It is likely that previous findings (see review10) of
pretend play impairments in children with autism are attributable to specific
impairments in Object Substitution, which, as observed here, was the most
prevalent type of pretence shown by all children.
Object Substitution was the only play category to differentiate the children
with AD from the TD children. Like the children with AD, those with AspD
also engaged in lower levels of free-choice Object Substitution during the
elicited play scenario in comparison to the TD controls. However, unlike the
group with AD, the AspD group were not different from the TD children on
the frequency of Object Substitution during free play. Indeed, this was the
only behaviour to differentiate the two clinical groups, who were otherwise
remarkably similar in their pretence. The findings accord with much research
on the comparative abilities of individuals with AD and AspD11 and, together,
lend support to the view that these are not distinct diagnostic entities.
Leslie’s (1987)5 metarepresentation theory fails to adequately explain the
results. Although the children with AD had deficits in theory of mind
reasoning, with the exception of Object Substitution, they were not different
from the children with AspD or the TD children in their pretence abilities,
despite the capacity for theory of mind in the latter groups. Rather, the
results lend support to an executive functioning account12,13. The act of
substituting one object for another involves inhibition of the perceptual and
functional schemas associated with the real object. Given the deficits in the
inhibition of prepotent responses amongst children with autism14, this type
of pretence may be particularly difficult for them. The ‘real’ object may take
precedence over the ‘imagined’ object because the children with AD (and
perhaps also those with AspD) are unable to inhibit their responses to the
real object. We are currently testing this hypothesis.
Our failure to find pervasive deficits in pretence in the children with AD in
this study may be attributed to the fact that, firstly, these children were high
functioning, and were well matched with the TD control children. Studies
that have found pretence deficits have mostly used mixed ability samples of
children with autism10, and they have not always matched groups on both
verbal and overall mental age. Secondly, we studied pretence in an optimal
environment. The spontaneous play episode always followed elicited play in
order to facilitate engagement in pretence and, we studied pretend play in a
one-to-one setting with an attentive adult. In the noisy social environment of
a playground or playroom, it is unlikely that these children would engage in
such play, or share their play with peers. Nonetheless, the results from this
study indicate that children with high-functioning autism (and AspD) can
engage in pretend play, and thus highlight the need for appropriate play
intervention at the coalface of social interaction with their peers.