how much chance is to to have an asperger child

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03 Aug 2012, 1:20 pm

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This is not known...........ASD is polygenetic (many genes contribute all contribute a little bit) not all the genes involved are known (not by a long shot) and there are probably unknown environmental factors interacting with genes as well. Also there may be many different kinds of ASD caused by different gene and gene-environment combos. ASD is not a simple Mendelian trait where there is a 1 in four chance of inheriting the recessive gene.

All that is known is that AS has a strong genetic component and that if you have AS there is a higher chance your kid(s) might have it as well......but an exact percent chance can't be determined.


Not only is it polygenetic, but it is no one thing. Autism is not a specific condition.


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03 Aug 2012, 2:31 pm

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yeah im not going to have a child and i dont got a wife loool. anyways why do asperger all the time say that they are happy. i dont get it. are they the same asperger as my self. i mean we all got the same traits... im SUFFERING AS HELL. i never been so emotinally depressed.

and the thought of the child having this curse as my self kills me. tell me a asperger that is happy. well i watched a asperger video wheree a guy says pretending to be normal and explains how we never understand relationships and we are suffering cuz we aint understanding the joy at all..

well if i dont get a biological child then it wont be special. but if i do get one biological child from my genetics i have placed a curse on him/her. well in my mind its 100% that the child will have it. and i cant bring my self even if some people say its 5% or 10% well i think its 100% and im willing to drop to 10% but 10% that is hell a lot. im not going to take that chance.

well its horrible im suffering. knowing i wont able to enjoy relationships .or even enjoy happines in my life.

for you live in great britian. well i heard there is bio energy healer called micheal cohen there. he names asperger as cure-able trait in there and says he can help food allergies and other mental illnesses,.. bioenergytreatment.co.uk u can google it. i think he is good and knowledgeable im going there my self. when im get the money but im only 21 year., (i made a thread that bio energy healing can help asperger with info). anyways--

being born with anxiety and depression and eating disorder and sleeping disorder. and thats because of this ASPERGER CURSE.

yeah if u got asperger u get these bonus mental and REAL illnesses.

dam i wont ever get a wife and i wont ever get happy. damned it well end of story im not going to have a child i dont wanna give him this PLAUGED CURSE.


If you believe you never will be happy you probably never will. I've been depressed and suicidal, I've self-harmed and overdosed, my kids saved my life and now I'm HAPPY. YES, HAPPY! Being NT is overrated, you wouldn't automatically be happy because you're NT. They have to work at it too. You just have to accept who you are and get on with it.

There is no cure for autism and never will be, if someone's told you there is they're conning you. You can be taught to live with AS, but it's not a disease, you can't get rid of it.


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03 Aug 2012, 2:48 pm

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Being NT is overrated, you wouldn't automatically be happy because you're NT. They have to work at it too.


I don't, for a second, believe that being NT will mean that I will be happy, and I don't even cry out ''if I was NT things would be so much easier'' because that isn't true. I know NTs who have it harder than I do. But the thing is, this world is built by NTs for NTs, so it is better to live in a world what is made for your neurotype. This world isn't made for people like me: things are loud, people are everywhere, things don't stay the same, the government seems to think everyone can take the next job they see regardless of what they are and are not capable of, and you practically get picked on or even punished in public by strangers if you look shy or nervous, it seems everybody has to be super confident when out, even though NTs should know better that that isn't possible because (I read in lots of places) that social phobia and/or shyness is more common in a lot of people than what you think, but I suppose people expect you to hide it and still look confident. After all, not everybody chooses to go out in public all the time, sometimes walking out in public is sometimes a chore and so not everybody goes out specifically to join the ''I'm better than you'' contest. It all gets ridiculous, and I just wish I were NT so that this sort of thing (along with other things) wouldn't bother me so much, that I can do more things by instinct and just worry about bigger things that other people can relate to.

That's the reason why I would like to be NT.


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03 Aug 2012, 3:11 pm

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Being NT is overrated, you wouldn't automatically be happy because you're NT. They have to work at it too.


I don't, for a second, believe that being NT will mean that I will be happy, and I don't even cry out ''if I was NT things would be so much easier'' because that isn't true. I know NTs who have it harder than I do. But the thing is, this world is built by NTs for NTs, so it is better to live in a world what is made for your neurotype. This world isn't made for people like me: things are loud, people are everywhere, things don't stay the same, the government seems to think everyone can take the next job they see regardless of what they are and are not capable of, and you practically get picked on or even punished in public by strangers if you look shy or nervous, it seems everybody has to be super confident when out, even though NTs should know better that that isn't possible because (I read in lots of places) that social phobia and/or shyness is more common in a lot of people than what you think, but I suppose people expect you to hide it and still look confident. After all, not everybody chooses to go out in public all the time, sometimes walking out in public is sometimes a chore and so not everybody goes out specifically to join the ''I'm better than you'' contest. It all gets ridiculous, and I just wish I were NT so that this sort of thing (along with other things) wouldn't bother me so much, that I can do more things by instinct and just worry about bigger things that other people can relate to.

That's the reason why I would like to be NT.


It's not made by NT's for NT's, at least not in my country. Most people can handle noise, yes, but they didn't make it noisy because they want it that way, that's just how it is. The strongest, the fastest, always come out on top, the weakest, the shyest, the smallest, always get pushed down, that's life, it's been like that for every creature on the planet since the beginning of time, it's called survival of the fittest, and we all want to win. Most of us don't stand a chance, NT or otherwise.

All of the things you mentioned can also bother NT's. Most NT's feel left out at some point in their lives for various reasons, they all find life hard at some point, and most of them wish they were like someone else, not all NT's are confident or know how to control their emotions or feign confidence. It's a skill mastered only by a few, you yourself admit you do not understand NT's, and I think it's foolish to wish to be something you do not understand. I can understand why you do, and I sympathise, but I also am absolutely sure that you never will and never can be happy until you simply accept who you are, and do the best you can, instead of wishing for something you can never have.

I don't understand why most of the people on this forum talk as if NT and AS is a completely different species. (Not referring to your specific comment here) We are more alike than we are different, I get that most of the people here will have suffered at the hands of somebody they consider to be NT, but that doesn't make them all the same, and it doesn't mean you should talk about them as if they are the enemy. I know nice caring NT's that accept me and help me to feel included and I feel like I have a place with them, and I have had people with AS abuse me, physically and verbally, who seem to enjoy destroying everything that is good or happy or different.


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03 Aug 2012, 3:43 pm

I can't come up with a better resource than this: http://ask.metafilter.com/74727/Do-Aspe ... c-children , and this one is rather old.

If I recall correctly, I've read somewhere that the percentage would be around 30-40% if both parents were on the spectrum, and around 10%-20%, if only one. I'd expect higher percentages for male infants.

As for me, at this point of my life, I don't think it is likely that I will ever become parent of a child. I'm not as desperate about the subject as I've been last year, though. I feel that it's a major injustice of life that's been imposed on me, probably due to me having an ASD, but I accept it. I just don't like people pushing it on me or thinking that I'm not a respectable human being because of it (even worse, a genetic dead-end).


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03 Aug 2012, 4:07 pm

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well i think that there is 100% if ur male and u bring a male child in the world. then its 100%. if female 50%

i mean the child is getting ur genetics. but i dont know. well i went to biology B it says if a parent has asperger it says it will be a 100% or 50% inheritance if opposiote sex. well u can think u can get ur grandfathers genetics but that is vey rare.

well in biology b when we talked about genetics. but nature is never certain.

well my source is uncertain i dont remember quite.

is it true 4 out of 1000 get asperger. that is alot LOl. how many procentage is that.

4 out of 1000 is 0.4%.

What is Biology B? If it is a university course then I think you should re-take, as unfortunately you don't seem to have understood very well. If it is a school course, then you still haven't understood very well, but unless you want to do something related to Biology in the future then it doesn't matter.
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yeah im not going to have a child and i dont got a wife loool. anyways why do asperger all the time say that they are happy. i dont get it. are they the same asperger as my self. i mean we all got the same traits... im SUFFERING AS HELL. i never been so emotinally depressed.

and the thought of the child having this curse as my self kills me. tell me a asperger that is happy. well i watched a asperger video wheree a guy says pretending to be normal and explains how we never understand relationships and we are suffering cuz we aint understanding the joy at all..

well if i dont get a biological child then it wont be special. but if i do get one biological child from my genetics i have placed a curse on him/her. well in my mind its 100% that the child will have it. and i cant bring my self even if some people say its 5% or 10% well i think its 100% and im willing to drop to 10% but 10% that is hell a lot. im not going to take that chance.

well its horrible im suffering. knowing i wont able to enjoy relationships .or even enjoy happines in my life.

for you live in great britian. well i heard there is bio energy healer called micheal cohen there. he names asperger as cure-able trait in there and says he can help food allergies and other mental illnesses,.. bioenergytreatment.co.uk u can google it. i think he is good and knowledgeable im going there my self. when im get the money but im only 21 year., (i made a thread that bio energy healing can help asperger with info). anyways--

being born with anxiety and depression and eating disorder and sleeping disorder. and thats because of this ASPERGER CURSE.

yeah if u got asperger u get these bonus mental and REAL illnesses.

dam i wont ever get a wife and i wont ever get happy. damned it well end of story im not going to have a child i dont wanna give him this PLAUGED CURSE.

Do not visit Michael Cohen. That therapy DOES NOT WORK. You would be wasting your money and you would end up no better off. The treatment has not been shown to be any better than a placebo (i.e. a treatment that does nothing but makes you think something has happened). Asperger's is not curable, and if it was, the cure would not be Michael Cohen. If you take one thing out of this thread, let it be that Cohen will not be able to cure you. He is a quack. If anything, your depression could get worse in the long term when the "miracle cure" turns out to not work.

It is possible to have Asperger's and be happy. It doesn't stop you having fulfilling relationships, it just makes it harder. There is no inevitability. I promise you, it is possible to have great friendships, and even romantic relationships, which bring you great joy.

Also, it isn't necessary to have relationships to be happy. Many things can bring you joy equal or greater than a relationship, and many relationships don't bring joy at all.

Mental illnesses like depression and anxiety are not inevitable parts of autism, many people with autism do not have depression or anxiety. You can be treated by psychiatric professionals for these things. You certainly weren't born depressed.



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Being NT is overrated, you wouldn't automatically be happy because you're NT. They have to work at it too.


I don't, for a second, believe that being NT will mean that I will be happy, and I don't even cry out ''if I was NT things would be so much easier'' because that isn't true. I know NTs who have it harder than I do. But the thing is, this world is built by NTs for NTs, so it is better to live in a world what is made for your neurotype. This world isn't made for people like me: things are loud, people are everywhere, things don't stay the same, the government seems to think everyone can take the next job they see regardless of what they are and are not capable of, and you practically get picked on or even punished in public by strangers if you look shy or nervous, it seems everybody has to be super confident when out, even though NTs should know better that that isn't possible because (I read in lots of places) that social phobia and/or shyness is more common in a lot of people than what you think, but I suppose people expect you to hide it and still look confident. After all, not everybody chooses to go out in public all the time, sometimes walking out in public is sometimes a chore and so not everybody goes out specifically to join the ''I'm better than you'' contest. It all gets ridiculous, and I just wish I were NT so that this sort of thing (along with other things) wouldn't bother me so much, that I can do more things by instinct and just worry about bigger things that other people can relate to.

That's the reason why I would like to be NT.


It's not made by NT's for NT's, at least not in my country. Most people can handle noise, yes, but they didn't make it noisy because they want it that way, that's just how it is. The strongest, the fastest, always come out on top, the weakest, the shyest, the smallest, always get pushed down, that's life, it's been like that for every creature on the planet since the beginning of time, it's called survival of the fittest, and we all want to win. Most of us don't stand a chance, NT or otherwise.

All of the things you mentioned can also bother NT's. Most NT's feel left out at some point in their lives for various reasons, they all find life hard at some point, and most of them wish they were like someone else, not all NT's are confident or know how to control their emotions or feign confidence. It's a skill mastered only by a few, you yourself admit you do not understand NT's, and I think it's foolish to wish to be something you do not understand. I can understand why you do, and I sympathise, but I also am absolutely sure that you never will and never can be happy until you simply accept who you are, and do the best you can, instead of wishing for something you can never have.

I don't understand why most of the people on this forum talk as if NT and AS is a completely different species. (Not referring to your specific comment here) We are more alike than we are different, I get that most of the people here will have suffered at the hands of somebody they consider to be NT, but that doesn't make them all the same, and it doesn't mean you should talk about them as if they are the enemy. I know nice caring NT's that accept me and help me to feel included and I feel like I have a place with them, and I have had people with AS abuse me, physically and verbally, who seem to enjoy destroying everything that is good or happy or different.


Well it would be lovely to have natural social skills, and not give off vibes where you chase people away without meaning to. It is very hurtful because I am not a horrible person and I didn't think I looked that unfriendly. I may look a bit nervous, but there's a difference between shyness and unfriendliness, even I can tell those differences. I make eye contact and smile a lot, and do all the other right moves you supposed to do, it's not like I strut around with my head down, scowling and not wanting to look at anyone. I do the complete opposite, but I still chase people away, and I end up never making friends when I go on vacations. If I had my own way (secretly), I would be quite happy to just go on holiday to explore and not make friends, but when you're on vacation with NTs you can't stop them from making friends and so I feel obliged to make friends along with them too, otherwise it would look like I'm just outcasting myself. But vacations are meant for relaxation, and how can an Aspie relax when he/she is in a position where he/she feels they have to make friends and keep talking to people all the time? This is why I wish I were NT, I would be able to make friends more naturally. My aunt is NT but has true Social Phobia, but even she can engage in a conversation with strangers on vacation, and seems to draw positive attention from people, and that's because she is NT and so still has that NT value, even though she has Social Phobia. When she's at home, she says, ''I hate going to parties, I am not ever going to one again, I hate socialising'', then when she goes on vacation she ends up making friends, so she may struggle with socialising but at least her social skills are there for when she needs them. I do have social skills and I must admit I have improved, but I haven't got enough to be able to make friends with strangers when spending a week down by the sea. I need to know people a bloody long time before I can even start a conversation with them. Not fair, I hate having to live with this.


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05 Aug 2012, 1:49 am

For grins and giggles.

Fior has Aspergers.

I have Bipolar I -nothing else besides that.

Kid- NT. Was evaluated by 2 different shrinks because of our hot mess of a genetic background. Fior's spectrum shrink was certain kid would be 1) on the spectrum or 2) have some horrific behavioral issues we were in denial about. Found absolutely nothing.