06 Aug 2012, 1:46 pm
06 Aug 2012, 1:49 pm
nrau wrote:
Patchwork wrote:
nrau wrote:
Let me slice a bit and a bit here and there, okay? Don't worry, I'm going to cut off only the most..tasty..parts. Gahahahaha!
Not autism.
Not autism.
Not autism
Not autism
Not autism.
That's right. You are not ret*d. So far nothing you said has anything to do with autism spectrum disorder.
But you know, I know exactly what you are doing now. You are broken, weak and traumatized by your environment. Even though your brain is capable of making (fairly) correct judgment, it means nothing if you lack the willpower. If your friends and family told you 2+2 is 3 would you also react like that? Probably...yes.
And you seem to have some sort of weird dislike towards the dogs. Were you bitten in childhood or something?
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I do not lie and I have a hard time with it so do not think I am being like nasty to people with lies.
Not autism.
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I didn't cry either when my brother lost his friend in a car accident they were in.
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I also didn't cry at my grandfather's funeral when he died
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if someone dies I am just happy it's not me.
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Natural disasters doesn't really upset me when it happens. I am just glad I was not there when it happened.
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I am not ret*d I just think a little more on the logical side and less on the emotional side.
That's right. You are not ret*d. So far nothing you said has anything to do with autism spectrum disorder.
But you know, I know exactly what you are doing now. You are broken, weak and traumatized by your environment. Even though your brain is capable of making (fairly) correct judgment, it means nothing if you lack the willpower. If your friends and family told you 2+2 is 3 would you also react like that? Probably...yes.
And you seem to have some sort of weird dislike towards the dogs. Were you bitten in childhood or something?
I think that's unfair. Aspergers presents in different ways in different people. Taking things literally can be a sign of AS, as is logical thinking, black and white thinking, and a lack of empathy. This is one of the diagnostic criteria: a lack of social or emotional reciprocity. I think this fits fairly well.
You can't dismiss someone's request for help simply because you don't think they've got AS, it's very rude. If you've got nothing helpful to say why say anything at all? Just because they're not exactly like you doesn't mean they don't have AS.
Cjocjocj, I think a lot of your ways are possibly autistic in nature. I too find it hard to empathise sometimes, especially when things happen far away. Most people I know don't break down when hearing about a disaster somewhere, not where I'm from anyway, but Americans do seem to like their big emotional displays. Most people will have empathy when they see others in emotional distress though, like they find it upsetting to see someone they're close to crying. I didn't cry when I found out my husbands granddad died, it didn't seem appropriate, I didn't really know him, nor was I upset when I found out my granddad had cancer, I didn't really know him either, so why would I? It doesn't make sense. I think logically, and I'm not good at lies, at times I am brutally honest and don't realise I should be giving someone the answer they seek rather than being truthful. These are all parts of my AS as far as I'm concerned. Maybe you are just a logical person, maybe you have AS, if you think it will help you should definitely get tested. Either way, I hope you get some help Cjocjocj and the answers that you need. Good luck.
How is what I say not helpful? How is what you said more helpful? You just wrote "yes you have autism and I too
"Listen, she doesn't lack empathy. She said she was sad when her grandfather died-just she didn't cry during the funeral. It's expectable. Only attention craving old women cry on funerals.
Further, most of people don't get sad when they learn that someone close to them died, either-unless they force it, of course. Most of people get sad later, with time, when they truly notice that the person that used to be a part of their life is missing and gone, forever. It is only natural that you only start crying weeks or even months later.
Not being touched by the death of strangers also doesn't say anything about lack of empathy. It's only logical that you don't care about the people you've never met. People only get sad when they hear the stranger Y has died because they ask questions like "what if it was me?" "what if it was my brother?" etc etc. In other words, they give this faceless stranger Y the face of their friend, relative or at least someone they know and thus, they form an artificial connection that allows them to "care" about the misfortune of this stranger Y.
You really should read my post properly before you start making accusations about what I said. I said they COULD have autism, and that you're not a very good judge of that, being 18, autistic, and the only contact you've had with the person being one post on a forum. All of the things the person mentioned could be due to them having AS or another ASD. Or not. Seriously, before you reply, read it again, and read thing one several times too.
Oh, and, "Only attention craving old women cry on funerals".. really? And you're supposed to know how most people feel and react, and why they do so are you? For someone with an ASD you know a lot about being an NT.
nrau wrote:
"Screwed up autistic 18 year old"? Busted!
Go back to your NT friends.
Go back to your NT friends.
I could say the same to you. But I wouldn't, I'm not that childish.
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06 Aug 2012, 1:54 pm
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06 Aug 2012, 3:28 pm
06 Aug 2012, 3:41 pm
Patchwork wrote:
nrau wrote:
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And you're supposed to know how most people feel and react, and why they do so are you?
That's pathetic. According to this logic nobody has a right to say anything because they don't know everything.
Where did you get your info? TV? Who told you most people don't cry when they hear someone's died? Only attention seeking old women cry at funerals? Really? Tell that to my 6 year old daughter. Tell that to my 17 year old friend and my 28 year old husband. You can't fit even most people into a box, there are a lot of ways in which a person could react and millions of different reasons why they could react the way they do. Your comments weren't helpful, that's what I was pointing out. There's no reason why this person couldn't have AS or why they shouldn't seek an answer.
And telling someone who is isolated to isolate themselves even further is the most ridiculous advice I've ever heard. That's not help or support, that's potentially damaging.
I'd gladly tell this to these people but unfortunately, I have no means of communicating them
Anyway, I wouldn't call her isolated. She is in open conflict-conflict of values and believes. And she's losing, big time.
Now, what does a soldier do when he's losing the battle, bleeding from dozen wounds, not knowing which direction is the enemy anymore? He retreats from the battle, heals, and then returns with even bigger sword. Or not, if he doesn't want to fight anymore.
But of course, how would you know that? I don't think that you ever isolated yourself from the society. You never knew anyone who did-obviously, since they are isolated. And you probably never came through something as severe as OP. So, unlike me, you have no basis to say what you say. And yet you do. And yet, you're so certain you are the helpful one and not me.
How self-confident.
06 Aug 2012, 3:41 pm
06 Aug 2012, 4:23 pm
07 Aug 2012, 5:00 am
nrau wrote:
Patchwork wrote:
nrau wrote:
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And you're supposed to know how most people feel and react, and why they do so are you?
That's pathetic. According to this logic nobody has a right to say anything because they don't know everything.
Where did you get your info? TV? Who told you most people don't cry when they hear someone's died? Only attention seeking old women cry at funerals? Really? Tell that to my 6 year old daughter. Tell that to my 17 year old friend and my 28 year old husband. You can't fit even most people into a box, there are a lot of ways in which a person could react and millions of different reasons why they could react the way they do. Your comments weren't helpful, that's what I was pointing out. There's no reason why this person couldn't have AS or why they shouldn't seek an answer.
And telling someone who is isolated to isolate themselves even further is the most ridiculous advice I've ever heard. That's not help or support, that's potentially damaging.
I'd gladly tell this to these people but unfortunately, I have no means of communicating them
Anyway, I wouldn't call her isolated. She is in open conflict-conflict of values and believes. And she's losing, big time.
Now, what does a soldier do when he's losing the battle, bleeding from dozen wounds, not knowing which direction is the enemy anymore? He retreats from the battle, heals, and then returns with even bigger sword. Or not, if he doesn't want to fight anymore.
But of course, how would you know that? I don't think that you ever isolated yourself from the society. You never knew anyone who did-obviously, since they are isolated. And you probably never came through something as severe as OP. So, unlike me, you have no basis to say what you say. And yet you do. And yet, you're so certain you are the helpful one and not me.
How self-confident.
You don't have to be away from people to be isolated, of course the Cjocjocj is isolated, they've already said they don't fit in anywhere, they're being attacked for their AS traits. Isolated: having minimal contact or little in common with others.
Don't assume I don't know what being isolated is simply because I have a different opinion to you. I've spend month after month, year after year isolated, to the point where I attempted suicide, and I don't know what isolation is? You have no idea who I am, and yet you feel you can make assumptions about what I do and don't know, what I have and haven't done. I have plenty of basis for what I say, I have experience. I am certain I'm more helpful than you, because I know the damage that you can cause to yourself by isolating yourself even further from people.
I've read your posts on other threads, you simply have no intention of being helpful or supportive, and I now have no respect for you and little interests in your posts, so don't bother replying because I won't read it.
I think it's a shame that instead of offering support to the writer of the thread I've been drawn into a pathetic argument with you, I apologise to you for that Cjocjocj and hope you find the support you need elsewhere.
07 Aug 2012, 5:41 am
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