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13 Aug 2012, 1:27 pm

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I think it's to do with special interests. I used to be (still am), obsessed with cuddly toys, and bought 100s, but had to stop when I ran out of room(some obviously don't stop). The same goes for lots of other interests, that I've had in the past.

Yes. I am like this. I made a lifetime of art, but most of it has followed me around, and never made it onto other's walls.


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13 Aug 2012, 2:45 pm

Remember that hoarding, when dysfunctional, is different from collecting. Hoarding seems to come from a shutdown in executive functioning that gets out of hand. These are the people who have bathrooms full of dirty adult diapers because their toilet broke and they learned to make do. They seem to lose the ability to get rid of anything at all, even old newspapers and food containers just pile up because they can't get motivated to take them to the garbage. Given how much garbage the average person goes through in a year, it doesn't take long to get WAY out of hand. Throw in the executive functioning issues and they shut down completely.

I could easily see some of these hoarders being on the spectrum. Think about aspie inertia and aspie exhaustion taken to an extreme and you can easily see how, with a triggering event, one of us could go the same way.


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13 Aug 2012, 2:52 pm

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My 6yr old daughter has hoarding tendencies. She doesn't have a diagnosis yet - we're getting that next week. She refuses to part with anything (I mean paper, stones, shells, sticks and she still has some baby books and toys). The only way we've been able to remove items from the home is by hiding them for several months. Once we're almost certain she has forgotten about them, we then take them to the charity shop. She was distraught when we replaced the living room rug and wanted to keep a square from the old carpet too.

I am seriously concerned about the future, because I've seen a hoarder's house. It was bad, although nothing in comarison with some of those TV documentaries. The collector/hoarder in question was my father-in-law. I say he was hoarder, because he had no clue what he actually had. When he died, most of his stuff was not even suitable to be handed into charity and went striaght to the dump. It was absolute rubbish that he had no use for. He wasn't diagnosed, but I'd say that without any doubt that he had Aspergers, as well as these tendencies.


Have you considered that she might be doing this because she's personifying the objects?



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13 Aug 2012, 2:52 pm

I'm on the edge in some respects. I do have to force myself to tidy my work desk every few weeks. I have to then throw out 20-30 coke bottles, lunch wrappers etc. The caretaker actually offered to have someone help me clear my desk, that included a box of cables underneath, I'm doing a better job of keeping the surface tidier, in order that no-one interferes with my collection of stuff underneath.

I can't throw away any books, and I've boxes and boxes of computer cables / cards and bits at home. None of the cards are useful, where would I even use an ISDN data card and where would I find a computer with a PCI slot to plug it into?

I might have a minor problem with hoarding. It would be a lot worse without my Wife at home OR working in an open-plan office at work.

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13 Aug 2012, 2:55 pm

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Mummy_of_Peanut wrote:
My 6yr old daughter has hoarding tendencies. She doesn't have a diagnosis yet - we're getting that next week. She refuses to part with anything (I mean paper, stones, shells, sticks and she still has some baby books and toys). The only way we've been able to remove items from the home is by hiding them for several months. Once we're almost certain she has forgotten about them, we then take them to the charity shop. She was distraught when we replaced the living room rug and wanted to keep a square from the old carpet too.

I am seriously concerned about the future, because I've seen a hoarder's house. It was bad, although nothing in comarison with some of those TV documentaries. The collector/hoarder in question was my father-in-law. I say he was hoarder, because he had no clue what he actually had. When he died, most of his stuff was not even suitable to be handed into charity and went striaght to the dump. It was absolute rubbish that he had no use for. He wasn't diagnosed, but I'd say that without any doubt that he had Aspergers, as well as these tendencies.


Have you considered that she might be doing this because she's personifying the objects?
Yes, it's a possibility. It just seems odd to personify some of the things I'm talking about. The soft toys, etc I can understand, but not the books. Do you have any experience of this?


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13 Aug 2012, 3:07 pm

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Mummy_of_Peanut wrote:
My 6yr old daughter has hoarding tendencies. She doesn't have a diagnosis yet - we're getting that next week. She refuses to part with anything (I mean paper, stones, shells, sticks and she still has some baby books and toys). The only way we've been able to remove items from the home is by hiding them for several months. Once we're almost certain she has forgotten about them, we then take them to the charity shop. She was distraught when we replaced the living room rug and wanted to keep a square from the old carpet too.

I am seriously concerned about the future, because I've seen a hoarder's house. It was bad, although nothing in comarison with some of those TV documentaries. The collector/hoarder in question was my father-in-law. I say he was hoarder, because he had no clue what he actually had. When he died, most of his stuff was not even suitable to be handed into charity and went striaght to the dump. It was absolute rubbish that he had no use for. He wasn't diagnosed, but I'd say that without any doubt that he had Aspergers, as well as these tendencies.


Have you considered that she might be doing this because she's personifying the objects?
Yes, it's a possibility. It just seems odd to personify some of the things I'm talking about. The soft toys, etc I can understand, but not the books. Do you have any experience of this?


Yes. I'm 40 and still so it. I understand intellectually that objects do not have feelings but I can't help reacting physically as if they do. I'm not a hoarder because I can rationalize it but when I was younger toys, books, almost anything really. The reason I mention this is because my mother threw my things away and I'm still a little bitter about it 30+ years later because of how it made me feel. It was the same to me as if she had killed my pet. I'm not sure that this is the case with your daughter but if it is you should find out so you can address the 'object with feelings' issue. You can ask something like "if you throw away the book do you think it's feeling will be hurt?".

Search WP for this topic, you will find that personifying objects is pretty common here. Not surprising since we know most of us have abnormal empathy.

*edit* what made me think this was you saying she wanted to keep a square of carpet because I can totally relate to what she was feeling.



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13 Aug 2012, 4:48 pm

My dad (not AS) has built mezzanine levels to store his "collections". As he approaches retirement he is adding to these collections.

The house has two rooms (one with a mezzanine level) dedicated to his collection, with a couple of mezzanine levels in other rooms filled with storage. The stuff is not totally junk, however it will be a difficult task to sort it into stuff of value and the other stuff.

My mum manages to keep things fairly in order, although her 2 out 1 in policy does not seem to be working.

I have difficulty throwing out (potentially) useful objects, I suspect this is more being able to work out whether there is a potential use for it.

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A British Channel 4 documentary on the subject from last year.


That was just disturbing, whilst I have difficulty throwing junk out (I am more chronically untidy than a hoarder, I put stuff down and forget about it) I don't have an emotional attachment to it.



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13 Aug 2012, 5:05 pm

My NT ex-husband and his mom were hoarders, and my guess is that it got really bad when his dad died of pancreatic cancer as that was a traumatic event for them as once doctors detect that form of cancer, it's usually too late. It was one of the major factors in my divorcing my ex as I couldn't live like that. Sometime after I filed for divorce, his mom was evicted from her house because neighbors and members of her church complained to the health department about unsanitary living conditions. I'm sure my ex blames me for calling that department, but I never did as when I filed for divorce, I wanted to distance myself from him so much that I wouldn't have made that call.

I think in my ex-husband's case, he grew up in a mildly hoarded house, but it got worse when his dad died, as he said the cleanest place he was in for a time was the hospital nursery. There was no way to convince my ex or his mom to see a psychologist who specializes in hoarding, nor could they be convinced to clean up. My guess is that his mom is still hoarding wherever she moved to, and that my ex is still a hoarder as well.



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13 Aug 2012, 6:03 pm

My eldest brother is a hoarder and that's part of the reason why he lost his own place and has lived in a psych hospital for the last 6 years. He hoards books, newspapers, and advertisements even though he can't read. I tried many times to help him clean and sort out his belongings, so I learned that to him, *every* possession is a comfort item regardless of utility and it's seriously painful for him to get rid of things. He will go through the trash "rescuing" and hiding things rather than have them taken away. However, that's as far as my understanding goes, because (like most people with similar tendencies, I suspect) he rationalizes his behavior and isn't able to communicate the real psychological causes. I wish that I understood more about his problems, but I probably never will.

I'm not much of a hoarder because I tend not to acquire things in the first place, but I relate to what other posters have said about feeling sorry for objects you try to get rid of, as if they have feelings. I've often wondered if this is a characteristic of my AS or just a personal quirk. I've tried to deal with it by "rehoming" things via charities and thrift shops rather than throwing them out. The worst for me is my potted plants because they are like little friends to me, and if one of them dies I feel very guilty :(


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13 Aug 2012, 6:17 pm

I find it *really* difficult to get rid of things because I think "what if I need it?" as soon as I throw it away. My parents have to keep on top of it and get me to throw things out, so it's not that bad. I dread to think what will happen when/if I get my own place though.


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13 Aug 2012, 9:53 pm

i personify my stuff, they [all my things] are all my best friends :bounce:



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13 Aug 2012, 9:58 pm

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I have a tendency to keep things that most people won't, but I recognize that, and I force myself to give away or sell or otherwise dispose of items that I don't use enough to justify keeping them. I do have over 20 vehicles, but they are all well-kept, properly stored, and licensed and insured, and I do drive them enough to keep them in shape. If I couldn't afford to keep them under these well-kept circumstances, or if the cost became a burden, I'd immediately sell as many as necessary to keep my life balanced. So I guess I'm not a true hoarder; my understanding of a true hoarder is that they keep everything regardless of whether it might cause trouble or burden, or worse yet a danger. I will also never keep anything that I feel I am neglecting; such as any hobby project that I haven't touched in years, and which might be better of with someone else taking it on.

i don't mean to embarrass you, but you are my car hero :wtg:

i wish i could have such a collection of road iron.



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13 Aug 2012, 10:02 pm

Tequila wrote:
Take it you mean this sort of thing?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOKLahJN4E0[/youtube]

A British Channel 4 documentary on the subject from last year.

(Let me know if people outside the British Isles can see this or not. If not, I'll try to upload it somewhere else if I can.)


The uploader has not made this video available in your country.
Sorry about th
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13 Aug 2012, 10:20 pm

I think I have some hoarding tendencies. I can't bring myself to rid of things that have some discernible use.

  • I have two boxes of old novelty items I bought when I was a child. What if I need spare bolts for a finger skateboard!?
  • I have like 200 of those ad flap things on books. Some of them have funny lines on them, what if I want to go back and read them? Some of them are changed for later printings, if I throw them away then I may never be able to get them again!
  • I never part with books or magazines, even though I never re-read them. Some of them will obviously never be of use. Like a bunch of books about caring for tortoises, even though I've never had a tortoise and probably never will.
  • I keep boxes for everything.
  • I keep receipts, delivery slips, etc. indefinitely.
  • etc.


I usually keep it organized, at least…



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13 Aug 2012, 11:15 pm

For a while in the mid to late 1960s, I hoarded US silver quarters and dimes, as they were disappearing from circulation. I still have them -- fortunately, they don't take up too much space. I suppose I should start hoarding US nickels now (like Kyle Bass). Too bad I missed out on the copper pennies back in the '80s.

I also hoard manual focus camea lenses. These take up more space, and also have to be kept dry in sealed food containers with dessicant, to avoid fungus infestation. The radioactive ones (thorium, etc.) need to be kept in a separate box, in the far corner of a remote room, behind lead shielding. :)



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13 Aug 2012, 11:27 pm

ive been hording Yamaha yz250 dirt bikes for a while now. I have 2 running bikes 4 complete nonrunning bikes and enough parts to build 2 more minus the frames.

my uncles also horde stuff, one of my uncles has around 70 cars on his property another has tons of building supply's.






its the people who cant throw anything away are the ones who have problems as they just pile up mountains of trash.


also the day I throw something away is the day that I will finally need to use what I threw away. it has happened many times.



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