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22 Sep 2012, 10:07 pm

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My other forum is very very low turnover site, basically the same knobheads as 2-4 yrs ago.....


And what other forum is that?



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22 Sep 2012, 10:08 pm

a motorbike forum



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22 Sep 2012, 10:09 pm

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My complaint is the actions of moderators. Talking to them is a waste.


I'm sure people would be interested to know exactly which actions you are talking about. Making inflammatory statements about vague unspecified incidents is not a constructive way of addressing an issue in my opinion.



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22 Sep 2012, 10:14 pm

I haven't had problems on WP. I don't know who are the moderators. Sometimes, I do think that threads are locked too much. I am not a member of any cliques here. I don't know which cliques there are or who is in them. I usually only visit the general discussion, so I don't know what is going on in the other subforums.

The only other forum that I know about is aspies for freedom. It is not that active, last I looked.



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22 Sep 2012, 10:15 pm

invisiblesilent wrote:
again_with_this wrote:
My complaint is the actions of moderators. Talking to them is a waste.


I'm sure people would be interested to know exactly which actions you are talking about. Making inflammatory statements about vague unspecified incidents is not a constructive way of addressing an issue in my opinion.


Yes, I'm thinking about posting about it in the Haven perhaps. Problem is, the thread will probably get deleted, even if I don't name names.

That's why I was asking for an alternative, not to make a big fuss, just share why I'd become dismayed by WP and certain actions that I find...neurotypical.



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22 Sep 2012, 10:25 pm

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Yes, I'm thinking about posting about it in the Haven perhaps. Problem is, the thread will probably get deleted, even if I don't name names.

That's why I was asking for an alternative, not to make a big fuss, just share why I'd become dismayed by WP and certain actions that I find...neurotypical.


I wasn't aware that neurotypical had become a pejorative. I know some neurotypical people who are amazing and some autistic people who are two-faced gits.



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22 Sep 2012, 10:28 pm

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I wasn't aware that neurotypical had become a pejorative. I know some neurotypical people who are amazing and some autistic people who are two-faced gits.


That's not the point I was making. In the wider world, this stuff is normal. I can deal with it there.

But here, I find it odd certain mods would engage in such behavior, especially as it's one of the key complaints people here have about being socially different from NTs, the idea of social favoritism. I'm not saying aspies can't behave that way, I'm saying here, of all places, it should be avoided, and it should be called out when it happens. Complaining about it in the real world is futile. But when it happens here, it's really hypocritical.

So, the part line about "some NTs are great and some AS are as*holes," misses the mark.



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22 Sep 2012, 10:29 pm

again_with_this wrote:
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This goes with my thread about personal attacks, I think.

But you can't escape it. People are people, aspie or not, and they're going to act that way. It's sad, but it's true.

I try to look for the good as best I can.


I'm not sure if you're saying this thread reminds you of yours or if you think it's a response to yours. If it's the latter, then no, these are just my observations. If the former, then maybe we see some common ground.

I disagree though, to some extent, about "people are people," in the sense that here, on this site, I actually hold those on the spectrum to a higher standard than the generally collectively emotional NT. If there's any benefit to being on the spectrum, it's hopefully being beyond such behavior, or willing to be called out for it.

But I feel there's a sense of "we had no power in the real world, but now we do! It's our turn to act like normal people" sort of sentiment in the back of their heads.

One of the things I like about this site was the openness and frankness, which is why I feel the need to ask if anyone knows of any alternatives.


This thread reminds me of mine. Sorry for the confusion.

I can understand holding Aspies to a higher standard because of the reasons you stated. I think I could have said it better; with most Aspies you shouldn't have a problem. It's inexcusable behavior because we know how it feels to have it done to ourselves. But there will always be those kind of people, neurotypical or autistic, who refuse a higher standard. It's sad and wrong.

I think people feel empowered here to TRY to act like normal people, but it's not going to work. This place is a place where a-typical people should be able to come and be just that: a-typical, without fear of retribution.

I don't know of any alternative sites. I'm hoping to stick with this one.



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22 Sep 2012, 10:34 pm

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This thread reminds me of mine. Sorry for the confusion.

I can understand holding Aspies to a higher standard because of the reasons you stated. I think I could have said it better; with most Aspies you shouldn't have a problem. It's inexcusable behavior because we know how it feels to have it done to ourselves. But there will always be those kind of people, neurotypical or autistic, who refuse a higher standard. It's sad and wrong.

I think people feel empowered here to TRY to act like normal people, but it's not going to work. This place is a place where a-typical people should be able to come and be just that: a-typical, without fear of retribution.

I don't know of any alternative sites. I'm hoping to stick with this one.


I agree. You seem very logical and rational to me and I admire your astute observations. It's good to see I'm not the only one whose noticed this. In reading through other response, it seems a few were antagonistic toward me and the others didn't understand my gripe.



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22 Sep 2012, 10:46 pm

again_with_this wrote:
I agree. You seem very logical and rational to me and I admire your astute observations. It's good to see I'm not the only one whose noticed this. In reading through other response, it seems a few were antagonistic toward me and the others didn't understand my gripe.


My aim was certainly not antagonism. I'm just curious to know exactly what has caused you to arrive at these conclusions because I genuinely haven't encountered the kind of things you're talking about. I don't just mean the part about the mods I mean the whole thread. My responses aren't a mod-ass-kissing exercise because, as long as they're not banning me, then their feelings toward me are no more important than anybody else's feelings. If anything though I think they are fairly lenient, I don't think there is a harsh regime of moderation here at all - I think I would probably be harsher but then I have quite a "punitive" personality. So yea it's just that my experience here has been largely positive and I am perplexed as to how you have had such a different experience to me.



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22 Sep 2012, 10:50 pm

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My aim was certainly not antagonism. I'm just curious to know exactly what has caused you to arrive at these conclusions because I genuinely haven't encountered the kind of things you're talking about. I don't just mean the part about the mods I mean the whole thread. My responses aren't a mod-ass-kissing exercise because, as long as they're not banning me, then their feelings toward me are no more important than anybody else's feelings. If anything though I think they are fairly lenient, I don't think there is a harsh regime of moderation here at all - I think I would probably be harsher but then I have quite a "punitive" personality. So yea it's just that my experience here has been largely positive and I am perplexed as to how you have had such a different experience to me.


I didn't think you were antagonistic, I just thought you didn't understand.

Moreover, I was asking for alternatives to this site. Instead, the thread is mostly about "oh, negativity exists everywhere, people are people, you have to live with it," etc. leading me to believe most people don't understand what I was complaining about. It's not negativity or opinions or any other such. It revolves around a certain incident. Check you PM.



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22 Sep 2012, 10:52 pm

Unfortunately, plenty of other places have mods who are wonks, too. :wink:


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22 Sep 2012, 11:00 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:
Unfortunately, plenty of other places have mods who are wonks, too. :wink:


Yes, understood. I figured this place, though not perfect, should strive to be a little bit better. Not perfect...but a little bit better.



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22 Sep 2012, 11:04 pm

I actually find the mods really open-minded, friendly and fair. Why would you ask people on this site to recommend you to another site if you're having issues with a lot of people on this site? Wouldn't it probably just be the same kind of people on the other website?



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22 Sep 2012, 11:07 pm

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I actually find the mods really open-minded, friendly and fair. Why would you ask people on this site to recommend you to another site if you're having issues with a lot of people on this site? Wouldn't it probably just be the same kind of people on the other website?


No, I was asking if some of the people here have other sites they visit that I may not be aware of and may want to check out. Believe it or not, I really don't have any problems with the users of this site, in general. It's mod related.



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22 Sep 2012, 11:09 pm

The mods on this site, from what I've seen, seem fairly even-handed with their moderating in comparison to other sites.


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