n/ts dont believe i have a condition.

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26 Sep 2012, 4:12 pm

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I wonder how an NT would react if we began saying things like "No, you can't be an NT! You aren't an ignorant, pretentious, insecure, stupid, insincere and intolerant biggot!"


They would say, "what's an NT?"

Frustrating as it is, it happens for a very logical reason. There are just enough people with Aspergers Syndrome for people to have an image of it, but that image will inevitably be wrong because it is made from too few data points. Lots of people only have one or 2 data points: something that they saw in some documentary or work of fiction plus a person they know in real life. It is statistically unlikely for any given person to exactly match those one or two data points and so they will think "you can't have it, you aren't like (real or fictional person who is a data point)." It even happens on here, and this is one of the largest data aggregates around. But even so, people will still make threads wondering if all Aspies hate loud noises or assuming that all Aspies hate to be around other people and so on.

This will probably slowly change as data points accumulate to the extent that the world at large has enough data points to think "when you've met one person with autism, you've met one person with autism". But that is likely years in coming.


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There should be more strict laws on hate speech. People should be punished for saying these things, regardless of whether or not they were intentionally offensive.


If it isn't intentionally offensive then by definition it isn't hate speech.



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26 Sep 2012, 5:08 pm

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i totally relate to you here, and yeah i get so exhausted lol


Do you mean mentally, from all the overstimulation and the BS? Do you ever feel physically exhausted? You look like you could move mountains dude! I'm getting back into weight lifting hoping it will give me some much needed energy.

But yeah, HFA/Asperger's isn't well know yet by the public, and this is in spite of the fact that here in America, we're living in the age of "Autism Awareness". People accept "Rain Man" as the norm for autism, not someone who is fairly "normal" but eccentric/assholish/timid/unusual - however the combo manifests itself in the individual.



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26 Sep 2012, 10:53 pm

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There should be more strict laws on hate speech. People should be punished for saying these things, regardless of whether or not they were intentionally offensive.


Punishment for being offensive whether it's intentional or not, oh yeah, that'd really benefit autistic people... :roll:


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26 Sep 2012, 10:55 pm

what is even worse…

NTs dont believe THEY have a condition. :lol:



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26 Sep 2012, 11:28 pm

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There should be more strict laws on hate speech. People should be punished for saying these things, regardless of whether or not they were intentionally offensive.


That's an absolutely terrible idea on so many levels.

Ignorant statements are opportunities to educate and share by example.

And TBI, I've been called a lot of names and had some very offensive things said to me that were 100% intentional. I would oppose your proposal 100%.



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26 Sep 2012, 11:48 pm

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Whenever i tell someone i have aspergers they laugh at me and say ''no you dont mate'' its all in your head. and i ask well why do you think that? and they say ''look at you , your not ret*d''.

Its weird because i think if i was skinny with glasses, firstly i wouldnt have friends, and secondly they would believe me.

I guess todays world is all about appearance. Anyone had similar experiences?


If they thought about as " I have a developmental disorder" as opposed to some odd name; and they were around you enough, then they could see it. All the parts of it are subtle but with enough exposure they could picture it. That's the way it works.

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27 Sep 2012, 7:38 am

My mother doesn't believe me either. She says stuff like "no you don't have Aspergers, you're just shy" or "well why would you want to get a diagnosis? It won't change anything". Other people were like "oh ok, what's that like" when I told them, and a day later it was like they had forgotten and still insisted that I act like a NT.

I understand that it's difficult for NTs to imagine what Aspergers is like, but the way some of them just flat out reject the possibility sucks. It's like "oh, you're claiming you can't walk? I don't believe that, it's just that you're too lazy. Get out of your weelchair and move." :roll:



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27 Sep 2012, 8:33 am

People just believe me when I tell them, what does that say about me? :P
I'm not obviously autistic, have darker than average skin (for Britain anyways), I'm taller than average, don't wear glasses ect. I'm also into pop culture. Maybe I'm just lucky that people believe me? :/



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27 Sep 2012, 8:38 am

aspi-rant wrote:
what is even worse…

NTs dont believe THEY have a condition. :lol:

Agreed. Only they're not NTs, they just think they are.

I'm pretty sure one of my friends is an Aspie, and her mum used to think so, but now the both of them just think she's shy, and awkward, which is not the case -.-



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30 Sep 2012, 8:44 pm

People say that to me too, that I am too smart to have AS, yet I have an official diagnosis of it, which came as a shock, but now I realise that I am not to blame for my failures in life, it's sjut that nobody knew and therefore I had no support all through my childhood,schoolyears.
I have followed the wrong career as well, and now I have problems.

Yet my IQ is 122.

But now when I explain what Aspergers is people say "yes you do have it, come to think of it"

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30 Sep 2012, 9:50 pm

Just don't talk to ignorants about it. Problem solved.



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30 Sep 2012, 11:54 pm

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Just don't talk to ignorants about it. Problem solved.

Further to that, if people don't notice anything odd about you, then why tell them? It only creates problems in my experience.

I haven't told anyone at work that I have it, and they're none the wiser. I'm just another frugal-with-words sound engineer.

If you make a faux-pas or embarrass yourself in some way, just say sorry. Don't try to explain it with anything, especially not by blaming it on ASD.



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65536 wrote:
Just don't talk to ignorants about it. Problem solved.

Further to that, if people don't notice anything odd about you, then why tell them? It only creates problems in my experience.

I haven't told anyone at work that I have it, and they're none the wiser. I'm just another frugal-with-words sound engineer.

If you make a faux-pas or embarrass yourself in some way, just say sorry. Don't try to explain it with anything, especially not by blaming it on ASD.


I found this to be true, unfortunately. People who want you to be comfortable and safe will truly understand better if you explain your disability/ties to them, but bigots won't. They just use it aganist you. "You don't have autism/Asperger syndrome, you're just a jerk/lazy/stupid/whatever". If you think about, they're actually doing on purpose.

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You know, in a lot of ways, I'd consider this a compliment.


I don't consider it a compliment at all. Maybe a faux pas, but not a compliment. I'd hate to cover up so well that people can't tell I'm autistic. That's unhealthy for me, and frankly, dishonest. Like I just said, a lot of times (but not always!) the "compliment" comes out of bigotry.


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