Page 2 of 5 [ 67 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next


I am male and mainly masculine
I am male and mainly feminine 9%  9%  [ 6 ]
I am male and neither/both masculine/feminine 34%  34%  [ 23 ]
I am female and mainly feminine 28%  28%  [ 19 ]
I am female and mainly masculine 29%  29%  [ 20 ]
Total votes : 68

XFilesGeek
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 24 Jul 2010
Age: 41
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 6,031
Location: The Oort Cloud

11 Nov 2012, 11:04 am

Biologically female.

However, I don't have a "gender."


_________________
"If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced."

-XFG (no longer a moderator)


onks
Velociraptor
Velociraptor

User avatar

Joined: 27 Jul 2012
Age: 47
Gender: Male
Posts: 490
Location: Finland

11 Nov 2012, 11:49 am

yes.

male and mainly masculine. But where to put the cross?



OJani
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Feb 2011
Age: 50
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,505
Location: Hungary

11 Nov 2012, 2:41 pm

I picked "I am male and neither/both masculine/feminine". I feel more gender-neutral than most of my male peers. It was a bit embarrassing to me for decades of my life. I'm happy to know that there are others like me and the reason which is probably tied to having an ASD.

I lack many of the vibes males usually have. I'm not interested in showing off, flirting, giving off dominance vibes, etc. I don't like team sports either (was extremely clumsy at soccer). I like cooking and baking. On the other hand, I don't like cleaning and I like cars.


_________________
Another non-English speaking - DX'd at age 38
"Aut viam inveniam aut faciam." (Hannibal) - Latin for "I'll either find a way or make one."


daydreamer84
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 8 Jul 2009
Age: 39
Gender: Female
Posts: 5,001
Location: My own little world

11 Nov 2012, 3:10 pm

littlelily613 wrote:
I am female, and I feel like a female.


me too



kotshka
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 9 Jun 2011
Age: 39
Gender: Female
Posts: 653
Location: Prague

11 Nov 2012, 3:11 pm

I'm female, definitely not feminine but not masculine either. These days I've pretty much stopped worrying about gender overall. Doesn't seem very important. I am so unique in so many ways that I hardly think my being neither feminine nor masculine is going to be a point of much interest to anyone.



Logicalmom
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Aug 2012
Age: 58
Gender: Female
Posts: 887
Location: Canada

11 Nov 2012, 4:13 pm

Joe90 wrote:
I'm female and I am not 100 female in my mind, but I am not masculine either. I think I just struggle with conformity to gender role.


ditto



antifeministfrills
Pileated woodpecker
Pileated woodpecker

User avatar

Joined: 12 Aug 2012
Age: 29
Gender: Female
Posts: 191

11 Nov 2012, 5:13 pm

Verdandi wrote:
Why object to the gender binary but reinforce it by asking people to put themselves into male or female boxes anyway? Why not simply ask whether people are masculine, feminine, both, neither, and other?


Isn't the categorization of 'masculinity' and 'femininity' part of the gender binary? :P



CockneyRebel
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 17 Jul 2004
Age: 50
Gender: Male
Posts: 116,873
Location: In my little Olympic World of peace and love

11 Nov 2012, 6:21 pm

I apologize about my strong response. I had someone on me about gender topics over the past few days. I'm ready to move on, though. :)


_________________
The Family Enigma


Verdandi
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Dec 2010
Age: 55
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,275
Location: University of California Sunnydale (fictional location - Real location Olympia, WA)

11 Nov 2012, 6:24 pm

antifeministfrills wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
Why object to the gender binary but reinforce it by asking people to put themselves into male or female boxes anyway? Why not simply ask whether people are masculine, feminine, both, neither, and other?


Isn't the categorization of 'masculinity' and 'femininity' part of the gender binary? :P


It's a description of behaviors that are typically associated with particular genders. It's hard to talk about gender without referencing the gender binary, but it is possible to talk about it in ways that do not ask that people simultaneously put themselves into and remove themselves from said binary (at least, for those of us who consider ourselves outside the binary).



Tuttle
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Mar 2006
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,088
Location: Massachusetts

11 Nov 2012, 6:41 pm

antifeministfrills wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
Why object to the gender binary but reinforce it by asking people to put themselves into male or female boxes anyway? Why not simply ask whether people are masculine, feminine, both, neither, and other?


Isn't the categorization of 'masculinity' and 'femininity' part of the gender binary? :P


The gender binary assumes you are limiting it to masculine and feminine. And specifically masculine males and feminine females. And specifically cis-gendered people even.

Verdandi specifically included "both", "neither", and "other". Having only listed masculinity and femininity without the other options would be playing into the binary, but you don't have to avoid those words at all.

Masculine cis-males exist, as to feminine cis-females. Saying the gender binary makes no sense does not deny this fact. Saying the gender binary makes no sense says that its not just disconnected and opposite masculine and feminine. It's more complicated. Not that masculine and feminine don't exist.

I personally, don't understand the idea of masculine or feminine really, but you don't need to deny them in order to be saying no to the idea of the gender binary.



Who_Am_I
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Aug 2005
Age: 40
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,632
Location: Australia

11 Nov 2012, 8:25 pm

I am female and don't understand the idea of certain behaviours, attitudes, ways of thinking, and so forth being either "masculine" or "feminine".


_________________
Music Theory 101: Cadences.
Authentic cadence: V-I
Plagal cadence: IV-I
Deceptive cadence: V- ANYTHING BUT I ! !! !
Beethoven cadence: V-I-V-I-V-V-V-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I
-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I! I! I! I I I


Verdandi
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Dec 2010
Age: 55
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,275
Location: University of California Sunnydale (fictional location - Real location Olympia, WA)

11 Nov 2012, 8:55 pm

Tuttle wrote:
I personally, don't understand the idea of masculine or feminine really, but you don't need to deny them in order to be saying no to the idea of the gender binary.


My issue with masculinity and femininity is that these are completely arbitrary. It really doesn't make any sense that some activities are considered inherently "masculine" and then thus inextricably linked to men and boys, and that some activities are considered inherently "feminine" and then thus inextricably linked to women and girls. These are human behaviors that exist in a large number of people regardless of gender, but are still used to create these false constructs of what it means to be a man or a woman, and those who don't fit this prescriptive system suffer for it.



btbnnyr
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 May 2011
Gender: Female
Posts: 7,359
Location: Lost Angleles Carmen Santiago

11 Nov 2012, 9:12 pm

I once wrote a song about an old man who got a sex change operation to become a cougar for the young man that he was deeply in love with. It is called "Gender Wise" set to the tune of "Edelweiss".



Tuttle
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Mar 2006
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,088
Location: Massachusetts

11 Nov 2012, 9:15 pm

Verdandi wrote:
Tuttle wrote:
I personally, don't understand the idea of masculine or feminine really, but you don't need to deny them in order to be saying no to the idea of the gender binary.


My issue with masculinity and femininity is that these are completely arbitrary. It really doesn't make any sense that some activities are considered inherently "masculine" and then thus inextricably linked to men and boys, and that some activities are considered inherently "feminine" and then thus inextricably linked to women and girls. These are human behaviors that exist in a large number of people regardless of gender, but are still used to create these false constructs of what it means to be a man or a woman, and those who don't fit this prescriptive system suffer for it.


My understanding of it is that the traits of masculinity and femininity, as not the same thing as gender roles. I don't understand either of them though.

My understanding of it as there are traits of a person that are masculine or feminine, not activities that are masculine or feminine, and not made that way because of stereotypes. Also, people are expected to have both masculine and feminine traits, just one is usually dominate.

However, my understanding of this is entirely academic and entirely from reading wikipedia so take it all huge grain of salt.

So its not "being interested in D&D is masculine" its "wanting to feel protected by people is feminine"

Either way it doesn't make much sense to me. People are just people. These gender things are weird. These gender roles and gender norms and genders themselves are weird. They make no sense at all.



Verdandi
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Dec 2010
Age: 55
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,275
Location: University of California Sunnydale (fictional location - Real location Olympia, WA)

11 Nov 2012, 9:57 pm

Tuttle wrote:
My understanding of it is that the traits of masculinity and femininity, as not the same thing as gender roles. I don't understand either of them though.

My understanding of it as there are traits of a person that are masculine or feminine, not activities that are masculine or feminine, and not made that way because of stereotypes. Also, people are expected to have both masculine and feminine traits, just one is usually dominate.

However, my understanding of this is entirely academic and entirely from reading wikipedia so take it all huge grain of salt.

So its not "being interested in D&D is masculine" its "wanting to feel protected by people is feminine"

Either way it doesn't make much sense to me. People are just people. These gender things are weird. These gender roles and gender norms and genders themselves are weird. They make no sense at all.


My experience on gaming forums tend to be that "being interested in D&D" or any other game of that nature is frequently considered masculine. Vampire: The Masquerade, for example, was considered unusual because more women were openly interested in it, and was credited with drawing more women to the hobby. I also recall getting into an argument on a video game publisher's forum about whether or not women had the right "wiring" to enjoy strategy games. Several men either gave authoritative "no, women aren't into strategy game" answers or made puerile "there are no women on the internet" jokes.



greyjay
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker

User avatar

Joined: 19 Jan 2012
Age: 36
Gender: Female
Posts: 58

11 Nov 2012, 10:23 pm

I'm biologically female. I identify as two-spirited, or genderqueer, or faerie depending on the cultural context. I often present as feminine for safety concerns, but I prefer to present as androgynous or leaning masculine. I don't identify strongly with either gender, but then I don't identify strongly with humanity period. On some days I experience dissatisfaction with having a female body, on others it makes me feel powerful. So, yeah, I don't really grok the gender binary.