Why do people with aspergers like psychopaths?

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11 Nov 2012, 9:43 pm

Fnord wrote:
^ But by locking away psychopaths, you reduce their chances of violating another person's health or safety.


Funny, that's what some people were saying about aspies after Aurora.

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I see that no one is objecting to locking away my ex-wife ... :lol:


I might have an objection. Can I see some naked pix of her before I decide?

Sorry I'm trying to be more NT on the internet.



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11 Nov 2012, 9:53 pm

Rascal77s wrote:
Fnord wrote:
^ But by locking away psychopaths, you reduce their chances of violating another person's health or safety.
Funny, that's what some people were saying about aspies after Aurora.

Good point.

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Fnord wrote:
I see that no one is objecting to locking away my ex-wife ... :lol:

I might have an objection. Can I see some naked pix of her before I decide?

Google "Ex Girlfriend Video" or "MILF Video", look for anything tagged "plump", "whore", "brunette", and "cheat". She'll be the one with the most simultaneous partners.

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Sorry I'm trying to be more NT on the internet.

I'm not convinced. You haven't yet been banned for telling us that we're all a bunch of "whining [Expletive Deleted]ed [Expletive Deleted]ers".


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11 Nov 2012, 10:10 pm

This is a generalization. Not everyone on the spectrum has a passion for psychopaths.


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11 Nov 2012, 10:11 pm

I don't know why anyone else would defend psychopaths, and I don't see evidence that their defense would be a particular trend among people with AS. For myself, I have on occasion questioned representations of psychopaths as purely evil and I certainly oppose harming, sterilizing or confining any person based purely on their neurological characteristics. I wrote the following in response to a similar discussion on a previous occasion, and incidentally came across it when I was organizing my notes today:

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This illustrates exactly what bothered me about the film. It presented good evidence suggesting a biological basis for characteristics which humans experience in varying degrees such as empathy and aggression. It then connected these with absolute concepts of "good" and "evil" which are culturally constructed without examining how they are constructed or how aggression and empathy are useful or harmful in context. It combined this with an extremely othering discourse about a specific group of people, allowing them and their (narrow range) of "evil" actions to be reviled at the same time the viewer is expected to distance themselves and think of themselves as "good".
How much harm is caused by non-psychopathic people "following orders" or honestly thinking they are "protecting" society form people who are presented as "evil"? Not all psychopaths turn out to be murderers, and not all murders are psychopaths. How many genocides have ordinary people been complacent in because the media demonizes a group of people. Is advocating the destruction of a group of people based only on their genetics (and ignoring the role of environment and individual agency) really that far removed from advocating the destruction of a group of people based on their ethnicity?
When it comes down to it genetics may limit empathy and make it easier for individuals to cause harm to others but empathy can be limited by more than just genetics. All humans have the ability to cause harm, especially when they deny the humanity of others.


My concerns with blanket condemnations of psychopaths are twofold. The first, and most emotionally based is the similarities I see between the reasoning of people who advocate for the elimination of psychopaths from the population and the demonetization I have experienced as an indigenous, mixed-race, queer and non-neurotypical person. These experiences of discrimination cause me to have a quite visceral aversion to any blanket condemnation of any person based on innate characteristics. My second concern is more philosophical. If psychopaths are scapegoated as purely evil then non-psychopaths can view themselves in opposition to that evil, and thus distance themselves from any need to consider the consequences of their own actions.

As far as individual psychopaths are concerned, if they are violent or abusive then by no means should that behavior be tolerated or excused just because they have a neurological difference. I have met at least one such person in my own life and he is no longer a part of my life, and I will have no hesitation in calling the police if he doesn’t stay out of it. I guess what I’m trying to say is that I believe that individuals should be judged by their own actions. Not all psychopaths are criminals, but those that are violent and abusive should be dealt with in the same way that any other violent or abusive person would be dealt with.



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11 Nov 2012, 10:18 pm

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I'm not convinced. You haven't yet been banned for telling us that we're all a bunch of "whining [Expletive Deleted]ed [Expletive Deleted]ers".


Only because I'm a whining [Expletive Deleted]ed [Expletive Deleted]er.



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11 Nov 2012, 10:22 pm

Fnord wrote:

Rascal77s wrote:
Fnord wrote:
I see that no one is objecting to locking away my ex-wife ... :lol:

I might have an objection. Can I see some naked pix of her before I decide?

Google "Ex Girlfriend Video" or "MILF Video", look for anything tagged "plump", "whore", "brunette", and "cheat". She'll be the one with the most simultaneous partners.



P.S. LMAO :lol:



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11 Nov 2012, 10:43 pm

I find issues such as psychopathy and other mental perversions within the human condition to be worthy of some interest, however I don't find the suffering they cause funny at all, and it would certainly be a wild leap of the imagination to say one could possibly ''like'' them; as in like what they are, and how they behave.


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12 Nov 2012, 12:33 am

Who likes psychopaths?? Really, they can be quiet dangerous to other people and to society. I doubt that many people would defend them, Aspies or not.



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12 Nov 2012, 5:08 am

@Silky. Thank you, dear. You're too kind.



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12 Nov 2012, 6:48 am

when i was about 9, i was inspected for signs of psychopathy due to an alarm raised by a teacher. i was laying on my belly playing with my cars, and a teacher who was worried that i never joined in was watching me from a window (unbeknownst to me).
as it happened, a girl fell out of a tree from quite a significant height and hit the ground hard, and apparently i glanced up from my toys for about 1 second, and i immediately returned my attention to my "virtual" world.

3 years later, when i was a patient in an adolescent psychiatric unit, my psychiatrist was a very nice lady that enjoyed talking to me for far longer than my allocated hour every day, and i asked her about the reasons that could contribute to anyone thinking i may be psychopathic (pertinent to the tests 3 years prior), and she gave me a good description of psychopathy. i should also say that she used some freudian terminology in her description (because i had read and learned freudian principles, and she used my familiarity with those principles in order to convey a well crafted impression of what a psychopath is (which i remember precisely)).

a psychopath is someone who's actions are driven by impulses that contain no regard to peripheral consequences. their only aim is to satisfy their desires, and there is no conscientiousness as to the effect that their actions may have upon others.

psychopaths do not have a fundamental reverence for the fact that other people have an equally capacious consciousness as they themselves do.

they do not ascribe a value to other lives that is not merely quantitative with respect to "usefulness".

psychopaths see life as a game and the living things in it as just objects that behave in an inevitable way.
-------------------end of her (much abbreviated) explanation.

most psychopaths do not execute their heinous ideas to acquire what they want because they are afraid of the law. instead, they trample their way to the top in a borderline legal way, and they always have a "rational" explanation for "why they are not responsible" for the sadness of many people that have been left destitute in their wakes.

if one is psychopathic and is also sadistic, then that is a recipe for a disastrous personality.
a sadistic psychopath is something that everyone has to work together to catch and to fence off from the rest of the world because people who get pleasure (akin to orgasmic pleasure) from seeing the pain they inflict on their slowly tortured innocent victims almost makes me believe that "hell" does exist, because surely they are the devils representatives.

so to answer your question, i am not an AS person who has any respect for what i understand psychopaths to be. i am however, an AS person.



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12 Nov 2012, 7:07 am

Psychopaths/sociopaths don't know how to visualize things from another person's perspective or viewpoint.



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12 Nov 2012, 11:41 am

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I don't have aspergers but I'd like if someone could shed light on this...
An ex friend of mine who has aspergers defended psychopaths whenever I brought the subject up...he hates the fact that I hate psychopaths/sociopaths and narcissists. I don't like them because they cause so much damage to people and they're evil.

One time he said that in psyche words it's good to have psychopaths in general population because it "helps" the other mentally ill patients...wtf?

I've noticed that a certain author that writes books trying to convince people that psychopaths are good for us probably has aspergers aswell.

Why is this?


I think Asperger's sufferers identifying with psychopaths and sociopaths has a lot to do with identifying with those who are forced to live outside the paradigms of normal society identifying with each other, remember, birds of a feather flock together. Psychopaths, like Asperger's sufferers, simply have a diminished ability to live within the unwritten rules of the world, so they revert to their base animal nature, unlike the peaceful ignorance of convention caused by Asperger's, while sociopaths realize that such conventions exist, but choose to, rather than abide them, to exploit them, and other non-sociopaths nefariously for whatever personal gain.



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12 Nov 2012, 12:55 pm

I can recommend the following:

The perspective of an *actual* psychopath (assuming that everything isn't made up):
http://www.sociopathworld.com/

Oh, and *this* (specific to Asperger's):
http://www.sociopathworld.com/2008/09/a ... eeper.html

... Anyone still liking psychopaths :twisted:?

The current scientific evidence of psychopathy (some idiot on Amazon gave it a one star rating because he/she couldn't understand the statistics. Go figure :roll:.)
http://www.amazon.com/Handbook-Psychopa ... 1593855915



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14 Nov 2012, 10:10 am

I've found psychologists tend to be less blaming of psychopaths than most people. Maybe your friend's just read up on psychology?

Psychopathy is a neurological disorder, in which the person is incapable of feeling certain emotions that are important for morality. As a result, the whole concept of right versus wrong doesn't make sense to them. So it seems kind of cruel to punish them for something they don't understand.

Nevertheless, I do approve of locking up psychopaths to prevent harm to others.



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14 Nov 2012, 2:47 pm

I generally feel the same way towards psychopaths as I do towards most people, Indifferent.



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14 Nov 2012, 6:30 pm

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I don't care for psychopaths at all. I try to avoid them.


I agree, I don't care for psychopaths either.


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