Psychologists, their BS, and the Bottling of Emotions

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TemporalSeries
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07 Dec 2012, 5:43 pm

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I find the whole language of 'bottling up' emotions not useful. Emotions are not like water that goes under pressure when contained and compressed but flows freely when not contained. Unlike water, emotions do not find their own level. The whole metaphor doesn't work very well.

It use to be that I felt emotions very deeply but expressed then not at all. Starting in my late teens, that all got flipped on its head and I couldn't keep from expressing negative emotions, especially anger or frustration. I've only recently learned that this shift could have been due to changes in my brain structure that happen around that time of life.

Expression of emotion, it seems to me, has more to do with the organization and function of my brain than anything else.

On a different subject, I've noticed over the years that a lot of psychologists and other mental health workers, especially inexperienced ones, bring their own unresolved ego needs into their practice. The ones that want to help the worst, in fact, help the worst.


Do you have a better metaphor?

What I don't get is, what does expressing and emotion even mean? do people constantly put on an emotions's face? they constantly lash out if they're angry? or what?

I mean for brief emotions, I smile, laugh, everything naturally, but longer emotions, nothing happens, whatever they are. Even if I've been happy the entire week, the only difference is I do more stuff. If I'm angry and sad, I do less. But my face is the same and I don't resist the urge to lash out.

I've even tried to look sad while sad to get someone to talk to me without asking and I failed completely. I can't do voluntary emotions unless I think of it as acting, have a character set up I can relate to , etc, and even then I can only keep this up long enough to pass a drama class.


Emotions are more like a physical sense, say like tasting something. An emotion, like a taste, is there in just that moment. In the next moment it may be there but changed, like an after-taste or it may be gone and another one may have taken its place.

I notice a lot that my emotions trigger thoughts which then generate another emotion. The thoughts are like the food, and the emotion like the taste of the food.

None of this says anything about expressing emotion. Expression is a behaviour while emotion is an internal experience. Sometimes I express emotion, sometimes I don't. I try to not pretend, as you say 'put on a face', when expressing an emotion. I've tried putting on a face in the past, but I've concluded that doing so is insincere and that sincerity is valuable in communication through emotional expression. So if I experience an emotion and find myself expressing it, I go with that. If I find myself not expressing the emotion, then I go with that.

I don't judge myself harshly if I don't express. The only time I judge myself harshly is if I do express particular emotions, anger or rage, in such a way that I've lost my composure. I think that losing my composure to anger is a bad thing. My behaviour becomes abusive to the people I'm angry with because they suffer emotional violence from being near someone emotionally out of control and aiming his rage at them.



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07 Dec 2012, 7:39 pm

If talking to a psychologist does not make you feel better, it isn't worth the money. A good psychologist won't aggravate you-she probably started repeating what you said back to you to indicate that she was listening. That's what a psychologist does, so if that isn't doing anything for you, stick with the psychiatrist.



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07 Dec 2012, 10:02 pm

TemporalSeries wrote:
Emotions are more like a physical sense, say like tasting something. An emotion, like a taste, is there in just that moment. In the next moment it may be there but changed, like an after-taste or it may be gone and another one may have taken its place.

I notice a lot that my emotions trigger thoughts which then generate another emotion. The thoughts are like the food, and the emotion like the taste of the food.

None of this says anything about expressing emotion. Expression is a behaviour while emotion is an internal experience. Sometimes I express emotion, sometimes I don't. I try to not pretend, as you say 'put on a face', when expressing an emotion. I've tried putting on a face in the past, but I've concluded that doing so is insincere and that sincerity is valuable in communication through emotional expression. So if I experience an emotion and find myself expressing it, I go with that. If I find myself not expressing the emotion, then I go with that.

I don't judge myself harshly if I don't express. The only time I judge myself harshly is if I do express particular emotions, anger or rage, in such a way that I've lost my composure. I think that losing my composure to anger is a bad thing. My behaviour becomes abusive to the people I'm angry with because they suffer emotional violence from being near someone emotionally out of control and aiming his rage at them.


Wow, that makes perfect sense. My emotions also tend to be brief although brought on by thoughts instead of thoughts being brought out by the emotions.

I'm not abusive or anything when I'm angry. I just cry and argue, so I'm not too dangerous.



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07 Dec 2012, 10:12 pm

Evinceo wrote:
If talking to a psychologist does not make you feel better, it isn't worth the money. A good psychologist won't aggravate you-she probably started repeating what you said back to you to indicate that she was listening. That's what a psychologist does, so if that isn't doing anything for you, stick with the psychiatrist.


I wasn't doing therapy with the psychologist it was only for the test. The "results" of the test was repeating what I'd told her during the test. It wasn't during the session. Sorry I suck at explaining things. I think people can read my mind.

But anyways... I don't think anything except the problems being solved will make me feel better. The psychiatrist is good but talking with her doesn't help in the way it seems to help most people. It calms my doubts for that day about my opinions and reasons (they're not crazy, but reasonable) but my stress and anger levels are through the roof. I want to finish discussing AS, and get a dx.

I won't get any help from the government but I think it will relieve me in knowing that for example even though I'm smart, not being good at social situations does not make me stupid, and it isn't my fault. It would relieve much of the anxiety I put on myself to act right. You could say that this still applies even if I'm NT, I know that, but it doesn't help. It's not a concrete answer so my brain doesn't accept it. Anyways, I also want to get actual help with social situations and coping skills for anxiety. I'm not interested in talking about feelings. I have the right to feel whatever. I want to learn how to deal with the anxiety, how to cope with people, and how to help others cope with me. So in my opinion a good psychologist/psychiatrist would help me with what I want help with.



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08 Dec 2012, 2:02 am

i found similar tests useless as well....i took a three hour one...and then some typical autism type tests.
first test was complete wast of time...the autism one was more entertaining but in the end useless. (Though it did help me to re-find my pattern recognizing ability sort of...)

anyways...do em if you must otherwise...avoid em....pretty much my theory on psychologists in general....imo they cause more mental illness then they cure...and they have been peddling the same re-producted drugs since the 1950-70's.....very few....no i will say NO new actual drugs for mental problems, they have regurgitation them to the max. Refuse to think outside the box...especially when it comes to medicine.



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09 Dec 2012, 11:50 pm

legomyego wrote:
i found similar tests useless as well....i took a three hour one...and then some typical autism type tests.
first test was complete wast of time...the autism one was more entertaining but in the end useless. (Though it did help me to re-find my pattern recognizing ability sort of...)

anyways...do em if you must otherwise...avoid em....pretty much my theory on psychologists in general....imo they cause more mental illness then they cure...and they have been peddling the same re-producted drugs since the 1950-70's.....very few....no i will say NO new actual drugs for mental problems, they have regurgitation them to the max. Refuse to think outside the box...especially when it comes to medicine.


Why were the autism ones useless?

I don't like them and prefer to avoid them but its a bit ridiculous to say they cause more mental illnesses than they cure. And they haven't been using the same drugs. New ones have been developed and used way after those years.

I think they can't think outside the box in terms of psychology.