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11 Jul 2004, 12:29 pm

Torley_Wong wrote:
Here's an example, culled from my own personal experiences in the past. It's embellished somewhat but you get the idea.

Me: So we're going to the movies?
Friend: Yes we are, but we're going to stop at 7-11 first and get some munchies.
Me: Okay, what movie are we going to see again?
Friend: Well when we get there, we'll play it by ear. [...]


Thanks for the example, Torley_Wong. I must say that it sounds like an alien talk to me. Very entertaining! :D



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11 Jul 2004, 2:21 pm

You're totally welcome! Glad you enjoyed :D



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12 Jul 2004, 3:36 pm

If your counsellor or parents know anything about Asperger syndrome, then they should not criticize you for this. You were designed to think. Telling you not to analyze is like telling you not think, not perceive, not to find your way around in the world. Of course you have to analyze.



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12 Jul 2004, 4:29 pm

Yes, if you have a strength, it is so STUPIDLY self-defeating to repress it. You just have to apply it to something that demands that level of scrutiny, like computer programming or examining gems or most technical careers nowadays -- the key thing being, make it work for you in your life :D



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13 Jul 2004, 5:00 am

Soapy,
My parents don't know anything about asperger's syndrome. I doubt my counsellor did, either (I only saw him for a short time for a different problem I was having). I am still unsure about having it, I tend to swing between the extremes- I either think I definitely have it or I definitely don't. I don't really know how to approach them about it, especially if I end up being wrong. Even if I am right, I don't know if they would accept it.

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I agree with what you've said. I'm currently studying art, which I love, though I'm not nearly as good at it as many of the students at my school. I am also a bit afraid of graduating, because as an illustrator I will often have to present myself and my portfolio to interviewers. I wish I could do the work without the business part of it... maybe with luck I will be able to work for a certain publisher or company, and avoid a lot of awkward situations.



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13 Jul 2004, 5:05 am

Yeah, I'm with you there, Civet. Balancing your passion for art along with the commercial business side of it is a necessary thing in life, and although some may decry that it compromises "artistic integrity", I find that's a phrase that's full of shock and means very little at all.

If you can find somewhere that you're comfortable working in private, that would be fantastic. Of course, the tricky thing is you have to make connections first in order to make an arrangement like that, and that may involve some awkward situations. But such is life, and once you've done it, you will beam brightly on your accomplishment.

Life goes on, and you must too. But you already knew that. ;)



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15 Jul 2004, 1:25 pm

i have that problem aswell.
but i think it died down after a while



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15 Jul 2004, 10:57 pm

It's an instant way to win an argument. When someone provides a logical, carefully deduced proof of something you don't want to admit, then throw up one hand laugh and say, "Boy, you sure over analyze things." And suddenly you're right, and they're wrong. :wink:

Everyone says I over-analyze things when I point out my explanation how Disney films are causing more demented children than Metallica or Marilyn Manson....



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16 Jul 2004, 12:54 am

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Everyone says I over-analyze things when I point out my explanation how Disney films are causing more demented children than Metallica or Marilyn Manson....

I think we will need your explanation.



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15 Jul 2005, 4:46 am

Could it be that the Disney movies are often so sickly sweet? I don't like the more recent cartooning style they have because I think they put ugly expressions on the faces a fair bit.

Anyway, onto the over-analysing, I've been told for years that I do this. Mum would sometimes get exasperated and say "stop agonising over your decision and just do it!".

I like the example of movie-going by Torley Wong and tend to want to have seen at least something about a particular movie before going to see it.


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15 Jul 2005, 4:53 am

I've definitely been told that, at work and at home. I don't know how to stop doing it or properly deal with the frustration that can sometimes set in when I am told that. I'm generally better about it now than I used to be. It can, unfortunately, force those close to me, like my wife, to just tell me to shut up and stop talking about it. I'm also told I am being "nit-picky" about details that most people apparently just overlook, or instinctively interpret in ways that can't be made into a hard rule so I can do it too.



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15 Jul 2005, 4:56 am

synx13 wrote:
Everyone says I over-analyze things when I point out my explanation how Disney films are causing more demented children than Metallica or Marilyn Manson....


This sounds like one of the strangest theories I've ever heard of. For the record, I don't think any of those three cause/create demented children. I think those are created by bad parenting and/or bad genetics.



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15 Jul 2005, 5:44 am

I used to do a similar kind of thing and in new situations and new people, I sometimes still do. Especially if it is a new or unfamiliar job. People get hostile and aggressive about it, and having some awareness of social convention, I tend to draw back and avoid too much interaction with them.

The last job I had, when I first got there, somebody would say something and I would ask 'Why?', if I didn't understand why they were asking the question. I was doing it to try to get more information out of them but I was told that I kept on asking too many questions all the time, and also challenged because I kept on bringing computers into every conversation. They didn't talk about anything interesting. In fact, they didn't talk about anything at all really.

It used to be far worse when I was younger, but now I am much more aware of social convention it tends to be less of a problem. As I do not want to be shaped and patterned according to their requirements, I just keep myself to myself and not say anything that will give them an excuse to keep me out of their precious 'inner circle' (for inner circle, read 9th circle of hell like Dante).



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15 Jul 2005, 7:24 am

Sometimes people don't explain themselves very well either. No wonder Pauline Hanson said "please explain".


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15 Jul 2005, 8:24 am

I love it!

I get told by OTHER ANALYSTS to "quit over-analysing" things!

How, in the name of all gods, can they do their work if they don't love to pull ideas and circumstances to bits?

I most often get told to stop when I am thinking out loud on my first "shotgun" pass through a new project. They will start getting pissy about it, and doing the "What are you talking about? Why are you thinking about that? Stop over analysing!"

Most of the time what I'm running through WILL get addressed by the others -- 2 weeks down the road! By then, it will be somebody's brilliant discovery!

OMFG this is one of the most frustrating things in the entire world!

I have about 2 people I've ever worked with who can keep up with the flow when I do this.

Sometimes it helps them to have it written down. But then 1/2 the time they read it and ask "Why didn't you bring this up in the meeting?" I d-i-d, b-u-t y-o-u t-o-l-d m-e t-o s-h-u-t u-p!"

At which point I go back to my desk amd break another mouse.



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15 Jul 2005, 8:30 am

I've often discovered things only to be ignored and have someone else "discover" it weeks or months later and get credited with it, so I can relate to that.