Anyone educated on both Sociopathy and Aspergers?

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31 Dec 2012, 3:20 pm

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Well I can read body language and emotional cues flawlessly, am all around indifferent(even to death and others pain, though I have no desire to cause harm), can be very manipulitve, and spend most of my everyday life bored as f**k, so I know I'm a Socio/Psychopath/Aspd or whatever. I just want to know the similarities and differences so I can get a rough idea of how often a misdiagnosis of Aspd as Aspergers is likely to occur...

EDIT: Physical similarities and differences
If you have the intuitive ability to be manipulative, key word being "intuitive," then you're not likely to be on the autism spectrum. Autists can be manipulative, but only in the most basic sense. Being bored has nothing to do with it.


I KNOW I'm not on the spectrum lol that's not what I'm trying to figure out. I'm looking for physical traits/characteristics that aspies and socios have in common or don't have in common.



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31 Dec 2012, 3:29 pm

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@ColdNumbness - neurologists specialize in diseases of the body's nervous system. This includes brain & spinal cord injury, seizures, strokes, etc. They don't diagnose Autism. Sorry.

Also, if I am to believe you're a sociopath, you're not telling the truth about the neurologist and you're just making that up, something someone with autism wouldn't do. By the same token, if everything you've said thus far is a lie, then I can also believe you've never been tested for Asperger's and the behaviors you've listed are untrue.

Conclusion: You're neither autistic nor sociopathic and probably just someone who's bored.


LMFAO smart one! Neurologists diagnose NEUROlogical disorders. Google it. Wow! You truly are a bright seed XD



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31 Dec 2012, 3:49 pm

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@ColdNumbness - neurologists specialize in diseases of the body's nervous system. This includes brain & spinal cord injury, seizures, strokes, etc. They don't diagnose Autism. Sorry.

Also, if I am to believe you're a sociopath, you're not telling the truth about the neurologist and you're just making that up, something someone with autism wouldn't do. By the same token, if everything you've said thus far is a lie, then I can also believe you've never been tested for Asperger's and the behaviors you've listed are untrue.

Conclusion: You're neither autistic nor sociopathic and probably just someone who's bored.


Why are you focusing on the authenticity of my diagnosis anyways? I asked about similar and different physical traits, not wether I was lying or not... -.- I'm telling the truth Mr. Detective, so either be helpful or gtfo...



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31 Dec 2012, 3:54 pm

@ColdNumbness, keep it polite.


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31 Dec 2012, 3:58 pm

@ColdNumbness - fair enough your request is. I do like Rabidmonkey's explanations. They're concise and to the point.



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31 Dec 2012, 4:19 pm

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@ColdNumbness - fair enough your request is. I do like Rabidmonkey's explanations. They're concise and to the point.


Okay Yoda... Way to change the subject! I thought you had me caught up in a lie? Lol And no offense to Rabidmonkey, but by reading the little bit he wrote, I can tell he knows next to nothing about sociopathy except for what he's read on the internet...



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31 Dec 2012, 4:23 pm

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@ColdNumbness, keep it polite.


I'm pretty sure accusing someone of lying without any proof isn't too polite. :P



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31 Dec 2012, 4:26 pm

Honestly, I like Callistas' explanation.

Autism and sociopathy aren't mutually exclusive. We need to acknowledge this. I'm being specific with sociopathy; I'm not talking about ASPD, but that's not mutually exclusive with autism, either. Sociopathy is just the lack of a conscience, and then there's some characteristics that near-universally go along with lacking a sociopath, like needing a lot of stimulation to not get bored, and yes, being able to read body language. Autism, on the other hand, would cause social difficulty, and make sociopathy manifest differently. You see how I said that there are some characteristics that go along with sociopathy near-universally? Autistic sociopaths wouldn't be able to get along socially, both because they have trouble with body language, verbal language, etc. and also because they don't care.

But I agree the OP is slacking off in school on purpose. I also see that the forum is ganging up on him. Please stop.


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31 Dec 2012, 4:46 pm

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Honestly, I like Callistas' explanation.

Autism and sociopathy aren't mutually exclusive. We need to acknowledge this. I'm being specific with sociopathy; I'm not talking about ASPD, but that's not mutually exclusive with autism, either. Sociopathy is just the lack of a conscience, and then there's some characteristics that near-universally go along with lacking a sociopath, like needing a lot of stimulation to not get bored, and yes, being able to read body language. Autism, on the other hand, would cause social difficulty, and make sociopathy manifest differently. You see how I said that there are some characteristics that go along with sociopathy near-universally? Autistic sociopaths wouldn't be able to get along socially, both because they have trouble with body language, verbal language, etc. and also because they don't care.

But I agree the OP is slacking off in school on purpose. I also see that the forum is ganging up on him. Please stop.


Thank you, Emimeni.

I'm very adept when it comes to reading people, but when it comes to conversation I seem awkward unless there's some kind of gain. It's almost like I lose my social skills if a person is no use to me? Do you know anything about this?



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31 Dec 2012, 4:47 pm

Ive come late into this thread but MY understanding of the subject is this.

A sociopath lacks the components to be an Aspie. The term people used to describe Sociopath is in my opinion a deference between two possible diagnosis. Diag 1) Antisocial Personality Disorder (even on an Axis II diag, it can still make you classically sociopathic in nature). APDs ignore the social structure (making them rather socially chaotic), and care little for the effect their actions have on others. They may possess a natural charisma, and be on par with social experiences. APDs lack a concept of remorse. Aspies may lack concepts of emotional reciprocity and empathy, but they may feel and do feel remorseful for their actions. This does not inherently make Aspies Sociopathic by definition.

A second possible Diag would be NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder). NPDs tend to be social. And tend to pay better attention to the established order of things, but will use that established order to further their own goals. either by manipulation of their own agenda, or by manipulating others to do the things for them. NPDs have an unrealistic view of themselves as it relates to others, and tend to put impossible goals on those around them to make themselves look better. Similar to APDs, they lack any remorse over their actions, or how it may or may not affect others. NPDs also harbour immense jealousy , where APDs do not , I think .

Its been suggested that the McDonald Triad is the thing that predicts a persons APD/NPD status. The McDonald triad is a series of behaviours that suggest a persons culability. Behaviour 1 - Enuresis (Past the age of five, and continuing through Adolescence). Bed Wetting. Bed Wetting has been suggested as leading to the first of the destructive behaviours to make for a Sociopathic like personality. Behaviour 2 - Fire Setting / FireBug. This is done as an attempt by the subject to exhibit live actual destructive behaviour as a release, because of some inherent trauma or related event. Behaviour 2 - Animal Cruelty. This behaviour provides the subject with a first real life victim. And if successful, and repeated, show a total lack of remorse for the feelings of other beings, outside of the subject.

If all three of these conditions are met, then with 2 additional criteria (called the Dark Triad), make for a serial criminal, be it homicide, or other related behaviours.

The Dark Triad suggests a person with a Machievellan personality, coupled with a Narcisstic or Antisocial personality disorder, when then joined with psychotic breaks, can make for a serial criminal capable of nearly any behaviour.

The root of the issue, I feel its highly unlikely that an Aspie could ever be considered sociopathic. More so, An autistic person would lack the cognitive understanding to be a sociopath either.

And This post seems a little to close to pointing a finger at Autism as the reason for the Connecticut event.


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31 Dec 2012, 5:02 pm

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And This post seems a little to close to pointing a finger at Autism as the reason for the Connecticut event.


No...? Don't worry, there's no need to get defensive. I'm not attacking your pretty little label. I just want to know similarities and differences because, like I've said many times, I was diagnosed as having Aspergers when I'm in fact a Sociopath.



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31 Dec 2012, 5:09 pm

And about the shooting... Everyone's capable of killing. It would be stupid for someone to place blame on a neurological disorder/syndrome.



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31 Dec 2012, 5:11 pm

ColdNumbness wrote:
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And This post seems a little to close to pointing a finger at Autism as the reason for the Connecticut event.


No...? Don't worry, there's no need to get defensive. I'm not attacking your pretty little label. I just want to know similarities and differences because, like I've said many times, I was diagnosed as having Aspergers when I'm in fact a Sociopath.


It is possible for a 299.80 to possess POSSIBLE 301.7 or 301.81 features in their Axis II.

That does not make them an outright sociopath. I may merely mean they possess some of those traits NOT to conclude a full diagnosis. The problem with APD and NPD is that both disorders require a certain level of social function for them to be considered fully diagnosis driven. This social function would be something NOT to inherently exist in a 299.80 diagnosed person.

Its MORE likely that you have some form of 299.80 in Your axis II, and that the reality is your 301.7 in your axis I.


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31 Dec 2012, 5:20 pm

compiledkernel wrote:
It is possible for a 299.80 to possess POSSIBLE 301.7 or 301.81 features in their Axis II.

That does not make them an outright sociopath. I may merely mean they possess some of those traits NOT to conclude a full diagnosis. The problem with APD and NPD is that both disorders require a certain level of social function for them to be considered fully diagnosis driven. This social function would be something NOT to inherently exist in a 299.80 diagnosed person.

Its MORE likely that you have some form of 299.80 in Your axis II, and that the reality is your 301.7 in your axis I.


I'm not certain, but I think it's possible to not have any personality disorder and still lack a conscience. That's what sociopathy is. Simply lacking a conscience.

Like I said, there's characteristics that almost always go along with that, but they don't have to.


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31 Dec 2012, 5:24 pm

compiledkernel wrote:
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compiledkernel wrote:
And This post seems a little to close to pointing a finger at Autism as the reason for the Connecticut event.


No...? Don't worry, there's no need to get defensive. I'm not attacking your pretty little label. I just want to know similarities and differences because, like I've said many times, I was diagnosed as having Aspergers when I'm in fact a Sociopath.


It is possible for a 299.80 to possess POSSIBLE 301.7 or 301.81 features in their Axis II.

That does not make them an outright sociopath. I may merely mean they possess some of those traits NOT to conclude a full diagnosis. The problem with APD and NPD is that both disorders require a certain level of social function for them to be considered fully diagnosis driven. This social function would be something NOT to inherently exist in a 299.80 diagnosed person.

Its MORE likely that you have some form of 299.80 in Your axis II, and that the reality is your 301.7 in your axis I.


Meh that's all gibberish to me bro lol...

I know I don't have aspergers though. I can almost read people's thoughts. If I had aspergers I wouldn't have that ability.



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31 Dec 2012, 5:26 pm

emimeni wrote:
compiledkernel wrote:
It is possible for a 299.80 to possess POSSIBLE 301.7 or 301.81 features in their Axis II.

That does not make them an outright sociopath. I may merely mean they possess some of those traits NOT to conclude a full diagnosis. The problem with APD and NPD is that both disorders require a certain level of social function for them to be considered fully diagnosis driven. This social function would be something NOT to inherently exist in a 299.80 diagnosed person.

Its MORE likely that you have some form of 299.80 in Your axis II, and that the reality is your 301.7 in your axis I.


I'm not certain, but I think it's possible to not have any personality disorder and still lack a conscience. That's what sociopathy is. Simply lacking a conscience.

Like I said, there's characteristics that almost always go along with that, but they don't have to.


That assumption presupposes that a lack of conscience doesnt have a disorder attached. He could be classicaly 301.50 in his Axis II, as I believe HPD to be not directly harmful to others or lead to destructive behaviours, much like 301.7 does.
And it still possess a lack of remorse or conscience attached.


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