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09 Jan 2013, 3:42 pm

Sometimes yes. Alot of times I will type a post over and over again. I try to make sure everything is spelled right and the message is clear. I also think is there too much is there not enough there. I get myself so worked up I will forget how to spell things such as of, as, this and other simple words. I try to make it perfect and sometime just give up all together.


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09 Jan 2013, 3:46 pm

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I'm generally not a perfectionist, but I am when it comes to writing a post on the internet too. I can't let there be a mistake. I don't know how some people can have an obvious mistake in their title and don't do anything about it, like missing out a letter in a word and not notice it. Really annoys me, but I suppose everyone's different. :)

I tend to be like that too. Since I am not a native English speaker, I try to improve my skills, that's why I appreciate it, if someone points out mistakes.


Ich denke, es gibt ja ein Komma zu viel... Der dritte sieht mir überflüssig aus, also: "...that's why I appreciate it if someone points out mistakes" wäre auch gut gewesen.

I never speak or type German anymore since secondary school 10 years ago, so I probably used a couple of wrong words-- feel free to point out any mistakes in the above sentence, Sylvastor! :P

Danke. :D

Your German seems very good, your only mistake was the lower case d in "Dritte" and the "ja" was (just like my comma) unnecessary in this case. ;)


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09 Jan 2013, 10:09 pm

I am a complete perfectionist. If the paper I'm writing on has even just a small ink smear, I recycle it and get a new one. I will rewrite things over and over again to get them right. I check my answers for everything twice. I don't know why, I've just been like that since I was about ten.



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09 Jan 2013, 11:53 pm

I can't answer to question of whether this is autism thing or just personality quirk. I am not expert on autism, i'm just autistic.

However, i answer this thread because perfectionism has been a major block for me in the past in terms of my ability to perform in my chosen task. I went to university to major in fine arts faculty, drawing specialization. The early years of my degree were okay, i was still learning, i wasn't particularly skilled yet, so any mistakes I made I just put down to learning in process. It was in the final year, and particularly more so in the years after I graduated and began to draw professionally, that it become a problem. Once I had achieved a certain skill level, any lapse, any mistake, any flaw, I would obsess over, chastise myself for failing to meet my own expectations. This became worse and worse as the years went on. I began to have performance anxiety every time I sat down with a pencil and sheet of paper to draw something. The anxiety became crippling. The pressure to perform, pressure that I put on myself... it very nearly killed me. Depression got out of control. Undiagnosed (at the time) OCD played into it as well.

The short conclusion to the story is that I quit. Quit drawing professionally. Quit drawing entirely. I may never draw again and I am at peace with that possibility. I have a job that is okay for me right now, totally unrelated to illustration industry or art work of any kind. It has flexible hours and understanding management. I can do it and when I come home there is no stress, no anxiety, no depression. It doesn't pay well but it is enough. Yes I am sad about it sometimes but I must value the health of my psyche first and foremost. Life is not worth living without will to live.



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10 Jan 2013, 1:13 am

Writeing/grammer and all related have always been a hard struggle for me and I have learned to just deal with it, sorry everyone. With that said I have lts of art and hobbie related work that I will never show anyone becouse of simple flaws only I appear to see. I maybe show 5% of what I do, I am a perfectionist in the feilds of my personal intrests and can spend hours on something that can take someone else 5 minutes. One of the reasons I perfer to use hand tools for everything, drives my boss mad becouse I take longer but my work is always better and what I make lasts longer. I value quality over quanity, just feels right.



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10 Jan 2013, 2:51 am

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I am the same. It takes me over an hour to write a single paragraph. It is painful, but I want it to be "correctly done". I have been wondering myself if it is autism, too. Google keeps leading to children's hand writing and I have found nothing about difficulty with writing English is autistic. It seems some of us have less trouble writing, so I'm thinking it is somewhat common with us.

As with all of my weaknesses I continually work to over come it. But writing has had the least improvement.
A single paragraph will have so many changes to it is hard to keep the original meaning. It is so frustrating. Still I strive to improve.

Reading was much easier. By my 40's I was reading popular books. I still love reading books, but it takes so much time as I am a very slow reader, too.

Still, I continue struggling to improve my writing ability to this very day.

The biggest cause of the difficulty in writing is converting pictures to my personal language, then to written English.

It makes little difference if I am typing or hand writing, If I have to write in pen, I draft a penciled copy, then copy in pen. Nothing like spending a whole day writing a single page....


I feel your pain, the constant editing, confusion, anxiety. I can barely write a paragraph in half an hour sometimes...and I keep going back to edit it over and over and over...



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10 Jan 2013, 4:15 am

This is so much of a problem for me. The solution seems to be simple: keep going and do the finetuning when you've finished. It doesn't have to be perfect. It just isn't that simple for me. I can't seem to stop getting bogged down in details. I am compelled to deal with them before I can move on.

Maybe the fact that so many of us are obsessed with details accounts for why perfectionism can be such a problem for us.



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10 Jan 2013, 5:33 am

I'm like this with my art work. I think I want every piece to be a masterpiece. So, there's no room for practise/ less than perfect works. So, I have quite a few sitting almost finished. There's a seascape, with a moon and a flat, grey dolphin shape. I've still to paint in the details of the dolphin (which is only a small part of the whole painting), but I'm frightened to start, in case I mess it up. And I have a painting of a rock formation, with a tiny area that needs a repair and just the finishing touches. But, again, I'm frightened that it ends up looking worse that it does just now.

Most artists practise and practise, but I've never done that, other than trying out techniques, on a scrap of paper. Maybe I'm afraid of waste too. Art materials are so expensive and stretching paper takes times and effort, so to then use it for something that's never going to hang on a wall is quite difficult for me.

I know my way of looking at it is completely wrong and I'm trying to get over it. I've got all of my week's housework done, with the intention of spending the last couple of days finishing those pieces and starting some more. Practice makes perfect, doesn't it. I really should tell myself this more often.


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10 Jan 2013, 5:45 pm

I hate practiceing as well, the idea my best work could end up on scrap scares and saddens me.



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11 Jan 2013, 4:38 am

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I hate practiceing as well, the idea my best work could end up on scrap scares and saddens me.
This as well.


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11 Jan 2013, 3:11 pm

I´m a perfectionist, too. But I think it happens to have something in common with my OCD, not specifically with my (probable) autism.


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11 Jan 2013, 3:12 pm

My perfectionism is much more caused by my OCD than my AS.


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11 Jan 2013, 3:29 pm

I have this when I paint.

I could work on a picture forever, constantly just tweaking this bit or that. But I've actually learnt that after a point all I can do to a picture is make it look worse, and that I have to give up and some point and just accept it as it is without having to go and change every single little thing. If other people think it is good, even if I do not, then that is enough.

I like/hate writing. Nothing I write is ever good enough. I cannot, for the life of me, get it perfect. I can revise something one hundred times and I will still not be satisfied.

I never meet my own expectations, ever. The entire exercise of creativity is terribly depressing for me, actually. But I find that if I don't draw things, or write them down, then they clutter up my head and I think about drawing and writing too much, so I am compelled to attempt to be creative.



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11 Jan 2013, 3:42 pm

I cannot speak to whether this is an autism thing, a personality thing, a "me" thing or some other thing, but I can certainly say that writing is very difficult for me for this very reason. I agonize over word choice, rhythm, sentence variance, tone, and of course spelling and punctuation. Moreover, it is very important to me that I use the "right" amount of words -- no more, no less -- because I despise redundancy but also want to avoid sounding too practical.

Writing good essays and other academic work can take me days or weeks -- and of course I don't always have that time, and I am also a huge procrastinator, so I end up rushing myself and hating the final product. I often prefer to turn in nothing than to turn in sub-par work, because I'd rather be perceived as lazy than incompetent.

All of this is immensely more difficult when doing creative writing, in which rhythm, pacing and tone are doubly important. I have always had a natural yearning to pursue creative writing, but my perfectionism has made this difficult and as such I have never written more than a couple of pages.

I would say that it is definitely disabling for me, especially in academic or social contexts. I will have to take college English for a third time next year -- not because I didn't read or understand the material, but because I refused to turn in an essay I wasn't satisfied with. If anyone suffering from the same problem has any effective tips for me, I would greatly appreciate if you shared them.



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11 Jan 2013, 5:43 pm

When I was in school my favorite class was English. I was a perpetual procrastinator. At the same time I was a perfectionist. These two traits allowed me to excel. I would procrastinate until the night before my paper was due. I would write a first draft by hand then I would spend the night writing my paper out on my computer without even looking at my first draft. I aced the class. Where I work now I am under harsh deadlines all the time. I am never able to finish anything I do to my perfect standard but I allow myself to reach 90% which fits into the allotted time and more than meets the requirements.



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12 Jan 2013, 5:54 am

mackico wrote:
I have this when I paint.

I could work on a picture forever, constantly just tweaking this bit or that. But I've actually learnt that after a point all I can do to a picture is make it look worse, and that I have to give up and some point and just accept it as it is without having to go and change every single little thing. If other people think it is good, even if I do not, then that is enough.

I like/hate writing. Nothing I write is ever good enough. I cannot, for the life of me, get it perfect. I can revise something one hundred times and I will still not be satisfied.

I never meet my own expectations, ever. The entire exercise of creativity is terribly depressing for me, actually. But I find that if I don't draw things, or write them down, then they clutter up my head and I think about drawing and writing too much, so I am compelled to attempt to be creative.


Exactly!! ! I am a professional writer, journalist and painter, and I have exactly the same issues!


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