What Would The World Look Like if Aspies Were the Majority?
I wonder if "class" thinking would apply, I mean that NTs might be seen as "second class people".
Just imagine you were living in a world full of people who speak formally and from time to time you would come across a person speaking in slang. How would they be treated?
Other than that, I predict "clubs" adjusted to be perfect for aspies, while the average NT would be bored by them. This means: mostly silent background music, barely anyone dancing.
Bigger libraries, different TV program not focussed on social stuff (here it's often the case that whenever I switch through the channels, I see some "reality TV" - AWFUL!), better structured towns/cities and broader variety of public transportation so one does not have to sit in a full bus and maybe less human population on earth than we have (if you consider that there is a fair amount of asexual aspies, aspies who would not want own kids but adopt and so on).
Hopefully also better structured software with reasonable changes in layout - if any layout changes at all (Microsoft managed to drive me crazy with all these changes they did in the last few years).
Oh and maybe the internet wouldn't be the pr0n resource no1 but the information resource no1.
Just some thoughts of many.
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You guys have come up with some great ideas, and it's given me a couple of my own. There may well be less violence because people wouldn't get offended so easily by what others said to them, not to mention more people would understand the lack of logic in violence, this could mean fewer wars and subsequently a better internal economy, though there would be less international trade because most countries would lean toward isolationism. It would mean better politics because candidates would run and get voted in based on the sensibility of their plans rather than how charismatic their speeches were, and as a few others have said, there would probably be more equality, and where there wasn't, it would be based on peoples' relative intelligence rather than their social popularity status. I don't think it would be so bad, I'd like to live in a world like that for a week or maybe a month to see what it would be like.
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Peers? Up to what age?
In German, it's actually even more subtle.
On the street, I still address a stranger as "du" if he/she seems to be about my age or younger (in the case of "she", I use "Sie" when in doubt, so I don't appear creepy).
For other students, it's always "du". This mostly applies to TAs, too.
For sales assistants, I always use "Sie" even if they are younger than me (though some shops use "du" as a marketing strategy).
At the workplace, it's often "Sie" for the boss and "du" for colleagues, although some bosses also offer "Sie".
Most computer science professors use "du" for everyone, while most math professors only offer it to grad students. Engineering professors seem to use "Sie" all the time.
It's so complicated...
That doesn't apply to German at all. Using "Sie" nowadays implies: "We don't have any kind of personal relationship."
But as far as I know, "Sie" used to be more common in the past centuries – to the point that even married couples used it to show their respect for each other.
Separate forms of "you"? Why the hell do you put up with that? Just use ONE form and leave it at that!
Peers? Up to what age?
In German, it's actually even more subtle.
On the street, I still address a stranger as "du" if he/she seems to be about my age or younger (in the case of "she", I use "Sie" when in doubt, so I don't appear creepy).
For other students, it's always "du". This mostly applies to TAs, too.
For sales assistants, I always use "Sie" even if they are younger than me (though some shops use "du" as a marketing strategy).
At the workplace, it's often "Sie" for the boss and "du" for colleagues, although some bosses also offer "Sie".
Most computer science professors use "du" for everyone, while most math professors only offer it to grad students. Engineering professors seem to use "Sie" all the time.
It's so complicated...
That doesn't apply to German at all. Using "Sie" nowadays implies: "We don't have any kind of personal relationship."
But as far as I know, "Sie" used to be more common in the past centuries – to the point that even married couples used it to show their respect for each other.
Separate forms of "you"? Why the hell do you put up with that? Just use ONE form and leave it at that!
Because that's the way our language is and because saying "du" to an 80 years old man while you are not even 20 is like breaking a social rule and saying "Sie" to your relatives and closest friends indicates distance and they will just stare at you and wonder what's wrong with you.
To be honest, I don't have a problem with two you's, I grew up with it and understand the concept, it shows a sign of respect and distance saying the formal you to someone and a more personal relationship saying the informal one.
Also, that's not really the topic anyway.
To get back to the topic:
Since when would the aspies be a majority? I think if you mean since the very beginning, then it could be that we would be far more advanced in technology - or we would not even exist (if they could not cope with a life in wild nature).
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NTs think in groups and base their identities around them. Autistics don't.
Tribalistic individuals usually either ignore the opposing arguments as noise, or blindly digest those views that come from a person considered some sort of an authority.
Tribalism has both advantages and disadvantages. It forms groups and fuels conflict between them, but also allows a fluent communication and agreement between group members because they adapt to each other's views.
In other words: an autistic society may not have as many wars, especially pointless ones, but there would be more conflict in everyday life because everyone would be more or less an independent thinker and never a part of a herd, largely unable to conform to the views of another without analyzing them first.
The Aspie traits are fit to solve bigger problems (like Ian Ford mentioned), but we would make terrible citizens.
Tribalistic individuals usually either ignore the opposing arguments as noise, or blindly digest those views that come from a person considered some sort of an authority.
Tribalism has both advantages and disadvantages. It forms groups and fuels conflict between them, but also allows a fluent communication and agreement between group members because they adapt to each other's views.
In other words: an autistic society may not have as many wars, especially pointless ones, but there would be more conflict in everyday life because everyone would be more or less an independent thinker and never a part of a herd, largely unable to conform to the views of another without analyzing them first.
The Aspie traits are fit to solve bigger problems (like Ian Ford mentioned), but we would make terrible citizens.
Yes that's very true
It would be very hard to reach a consensus of opinion
Having run an aspie meet-up I can vouch that this is true - everyone wants to do their own thing and it's like herding cats!
Also in my opinion people with ASD's can be incredibly selfish as they don't automatically factor in other peoples' viewpoints
and feelings
it would be wall to wall arguments, disagreements and bad feeling - as can be seen on the forums! lol
Tribalistic individuals usually either ignore the opposing arguments as noise, or blindly digest those views that come from a person considered some sort of an authority.
Tribalism has both advantages and disadvantages. It forms groups and fuels conflict between them, but also allows a fluent communication and agreement between group members because they adapt to each other's views.
In other words: an autistic society may not have as many wars, especially pointless ones, but there would be more conflict in everyday life because everyone would be more or less an independent thinker and never a part of a herd, largely unable to conform to the views of another without analyzing them first.
The Aspie traits are fit to solve bigger problems (like Ian Ford mentioned), but we would make terrible citizens.
Yes that's very true
It would be very hard to reach a consensus of opinion
Having run an aspie meet-up I can vouch that this is true - everyone wants to do their own thing and it's like herding cats!
Also in my opinion people with ASD's can be incredibly selfish as they don't automatically factor in other peoples' viewpoints
and feelings
it would be wall to wall arguments, disagreements and bad feeling - as can be seen on the forums! lol
That's too bad because I was about to suggest that we (the WP users) all get together and write a book about what the world would be like with an autistic/aspie majority. But it would end up with a lot of contradictions.
Tribalistic individuals usually either ignore the opposing arguments as noise, or blindly digest those views that come from a person considered some sort of an authority.
Tribalism has both advantages and disadvantages. It forms groups and fuels conflict between them, but also allows a fluent communication and agreement between group members because they adapt to each other's views.
In other words: an autistic society may not have as many wars, especially pointless ones, but there would be more conflict in everyday life because everyone would be more or less an independent thinker and never a part of a herd, largely unable to conform to the views of another without analyzing them first.
The Aspie traits are fit to solve bigger problems (like Ian Ford mentioned), but we would make terrible citizens.
Yes that's very true
It would be very hard to reach a consensus of opinion
Having run an aspie meet-up I can vouch that this is true - everyone wants to do their own thing and it's like herding cats!
Also in my opinion people with ASD's can be incredibly selfish as they don't automatically factor in other peoples' viewpoints
and feelings
it would be wall to wall arguments, disagreements and bad feeling - as can be seen on the forums! lol
I'd like to thank you for running an aspie meet-up, since there is a feeling in some circles that only NT's can run an event.
I must respectfully dissent from the suggestion that Aspies would have more conflict than NTs. Have you ever had the joy of sitting in a room with people of relatively equal status ordering lunch? A talent for herding cats would come in handy there.
I disagree that "Aspies" can be incredibly selfish, since I believe that all people can be incredibly selfish.
The reasons that some percieve that Aspies don't agree include a) The fact that generally, Aspies are in lower-status positions, and don't get a say very often, and b) Decisions are very hard to achieve without a higher-status decision maker and/or incentives, neither of which would be likely to be present in the examples presented.
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I've thought about that a lot. One thing to first consider is the principle of a society is an macro representation as humanity as an averaged out whole. Secondly understanding the traits of a AS disability and understand that if a society consisted of people that were AS that would show on a macro level as a society.
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I don't think it would be that different actually. I have come to acquire a very bleak view of human nature myself and I think all the bad stuff such as selfishness, ignorance, bigotry, greed and hatred will still be there. I have witnessed all the nasty streaks that are found in NTs in people with AS as well, such as a desire for control over other people, deceit, destructive lust, envy, vengefulness, pettiness and egomania. People will always be people no matter where on the spectrum they are- in many ways we are still very much wild apes... who nevertheless possess the odd redeeming quality of course. It is too often the case that the people with a more ruthless nature -those who do not eschew the use of violence- end up on top and controlling things. Therefore I have serious doubts that a world dominated by people on the spectrum would necessarily be more rational and humane. Sorry to sound so extreme, actually I do not really mean it that way, but by just looking at the news or in a history book or by observing the nastiness surrounding oneself (or indeed residing inside oneself) everyday I cannot help but feel that way. Still that's no excuse to give up on humanity or the world and trying to make things at least a little bit better according to one's best ability and judgment.
The obvious things, seems to be stuff like, there would be a lot less humans, simply because i think there would be a lot less urge to get kids or many.
Also i dont think there would be that many huge cities.
Personally my dream is someday to afford to get a house with a big plot of land, lots of room to plants a small forrest. I think that would be perfect for me.
Living in concrete jungles makes me depressed. I need to be around nature and animals to feel good.
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