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19 Jan 2013, 5:58 pm

Yeah, but rejecting your culture isn't exactly the best approach. Wouldn't it be better to step back, look at the culture, and see what parts of it will help and which parts are just going to hurt?

I'm white, of German ancestry, so I'm looking at this from the outside, with reference only to my membership in the minority culture created by disability. But what I see of African-American culture is that these are people who have gotten themselves through some really tough times. They had the whole world against them for a long time. They formed ideals of strong bonds between family members and between friends. They learned to admire strength and toughness and persistence. They learned that it was dangerous to show weakness. They learned to emphasize their own identity, so that others could not take it from them. This happens in any group of people where there is a lot of prejudice to deal with.

Some of that may be coming down hard on your stepdaughter. A disability can easily be seen as a weakness to be hidden, a dangerous vulnerability, because it means you need more help than most people do. You don't just have to be as good as everybody else--you have to be better. You have to justify your right to exist, your right to be who you are. And that is an awfully huge burden to carry, especially if you are barely grown.

But there's also the matter of family working together. If you can't trust the rest of the world, you have to be able to count on your family, right? What if, instead of trying to make your stepdaughter "prove herself" to be "just as good as" the rest of the world, you and your family approach it with the attitude of, "Yeah--she's disabled. She's autistic. So what? She's ours. We love her and she loves us. Anybody who tries to put her down, anybody who mistreats her, will have us to deal with. And, what's more, we're going to encourage her to stand up for herself, to be unashamed of her difference, to get the help she has a right to get without having to bow down and thank the oh-so-wonderful people who deigned to interact with poor little her. Disability is not a reason for pity or fear. She is an equal. She gets to live on her own terms. And anybody who tries to deny her that right is going to have all of us to deal with, because we're family, and we stick together."


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19 Jan 2013, 6:42 pm

Callista wrote:
Yeah, but rejecting your culture isn't exactly the best approach. Wouldn't it be better to step back, look at the culture, and see what parts of it will help and which parts are just going to hurt?

I'm white, of German ancestry, so I'm looking at this from the outside, with reference only to my membership in the minority culture created by disability. But what I see of African-American culture is that these are people who have gotten themselves through some really tough times. They had the whole world against them for a long time. They formed ideals of strong bonds between family members and between friends. They learned to admire strength and toughness and persistence. They learned that it was dangerous to show weakness. They learned to emphasize their own identity, so that others could not take it from them. This happens in any group of people where there is a lot of prejudice to deal with.

Some of that may be coming down hard on your stepdaughter. A disability can easily be seen as a weakness to be hidden, a dangerous vulnerability, because it means you need more help than most people do. You don't just have to be as good as everybody else--you have to be better. You have to justify your right to exist, your right to be who you are. And that is an awfully huge burden to carry, especially if you are barely grown.

But there's also the matter of family working together. If you can't trust the rest of the world, you have to be able to count on your family, right? What if, instead of trying to make your stepdaughter "prove herself" to be "just as good as" the rest of the world, you and your family approach it with the attitude of, "Yeah--she's disabled. She's autistic. So what? She's ours. We love her and she loves us. Anybody who tries to put her down, anybody who mistreats her, will have us to deal with. And, what's more, we're going to encourage her to stand up for herself, to be unashamed of her difference, to get the help she has a right to get without having to bow down and thank the oh-so-wonderful people who deigned to interact with poor little her. Disability is not a reason for pity or fear. She is an equal. She gets to live on her own terms. And anybody who tries to deny her that right is going to have all of us to deal with, because we're family, and we stick together."


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20 Jan 2013, 2:48 am

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I'm a stepmother of an 18yr old with pdd-nos. She was just diagnosed a few months ago. The more I research treatment for asd the harder it is for me and my husband to accept this condition. For example, all the explaining and the breaking down we have to do just for her to get a task completed is ridiculous. Especially coming from a culture where u do what you're told and do it right. Can any other African Americans relate to this? Are there any suggestions?



My suggestion is that you snap out of your rigid intolerance and actually support your step daughter.
Hiding behind your culture is just an excuse.
Do you reckon you have it so hard needing to change your attitude for the benefit of your stepchild?
Do you even consider how tough things are for her?


I agree, this is tough for her already, having unsupportive parents will only make it harder for her. And I genuinely do not understand what being African American has to do with it, someone could be Hispanic, Caucasian, African American, or any other race for that matter and still struggle with the same difficulties that your stepdaughter is. I am an American of Danish descent and I struggle with parents who seem to have a similar view of my characteristics as you do of your daughter's.



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20 Jan 2013, 3:14 am

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I agree, this is tough for her already, having unsupportive parents will only make it harder for her. And I genuinely do not understand what being African American has to do with it, someone could be Hispanic, Caucasian, African American, or any other race for that matter and still struggle with the same difficulties that your stepdaughter is. I am an American of Danish descent and I struggle with parents who seem to have a similar view of my characteristics as you do of your daughter's.


What being a black parent has to do with it is having a common frame of reference that white people may not be able to provide.



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20 Jan 2013, 5:22 am

This is how slaves were treated :(



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20 Jan 2013, 6:21 am

immrsharris wrote:
I'm a stepmother of an 18yr old with pdd-nos. She was just diagnosed a few months ago. The more I research treatment for asd the harder it is for me and my husband to accept this condition. For example, all the explaining and the breaking down we have to do just for her to get a task completed is ridiculous. Especially coming from a culture where u do what you're told and do it right. Can any other African Americans relate to this? Are there any suggestions?


1. You mention being the stepmother. Are you sure you don't have the typical "Well she's not MY daughter" step parent attitude?

2. The more you research makes it harder for you? Are you prejudice and where are you finding your information?

3. This culture you speak of is not only African American. White kids are raised in this so called culture too and hispanic. There is all this labelling of what black families do that white families do not and it's complete BS. For example, "My father beat me if I did something wrong...it's a black thing." No, it's not. It's a "My child is my property" thing. The child is treated like slaves were treated. "Do as I say, not as I do." "Do what you are told, asking why is considered a burden and you will face the consequences!" "Cry and I'll hit you harder!" Go read about how slaves were treated and look at how some children are still being treated. This is a Master complex. The child isn't viewed of as a living being but an "IT" "Property" "Burden if the child doesn't fit into whatever criteria the parent wants" Much like how if a slave voiced their honest opinion about not being treated well or asked any questions that would make the master look wrong would result in beatings. Now alot of households have replaced it with verbal abuse instead but still some children are beat with switches, sticks, belts, fists and get beat harder if they cry much like slaves of the past.

You should be educating yourself on how to be a good mentor and stop treating the 18 year old adult as an IT. If you as a stepmother have some complex about entering a marriage with an adult that isn't your offspring, that's your problem and you should have thought about that before marriage.

Just diagnosed, she's 18 and how long have you known her? So you're reading stuff and the more you read the less you like her, is that what you're saying? So, you're stripping her of her individuality and confining her into a neat little box as if all autistics are exactly alike? Let me guess, you'd be outraged if the same happened to you.

So while responding to you seriously, the real feeling is, you're just being a troll and in other words you don't like autistics period. Nice story, tell it to reader's digest!



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20 Jan 2013, 11:30 am

immrsharris wrote:
I'm a stepmother of an 18yr old with pdd-nos. She was just diagnosed a few months ago. The more I research treatment for asd the harder it is for me and my husband to accept this condition. For example, all the explaining and the breaking down we have to do just for her to get a task completed is ridiculous. Especially coming from a culture where u do what you're told and do it right. Can any other African Americans relate to this? Are there any suggestions?


You should find a support group for families of Autistic children. If you have trouble finding one, call your local NAMI office or Familya and they should be able to look up one for you.
It is good to get feedback from other parents, many may have useful ideas or approaches, and its a supportive environment for the families



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20 Jan 2013, 3:17 pm

Verdandi wrote:
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I agree, this is tough for her already, having unsupportive parents will only make it harder for her. And I genuinely do not understand what being African American has to do with it, someone could be Hispanic, Caucasian, African American, or any other race for that matter and still struggle with the same difficulties that your stepdaughter is. I am an American of Danish descent and I struggle with parents who seem to have a similar view of my characteristics as you do of your daughter's.


What being a black parent has to do with it is having a common frame of reference that white people may not be able to provide.


What frame of reference is appropriate, theirs or the child's? To suggest that "Especially coming from a culture where u do what you're told and do it right." is a 'black thing' is in itself ridiculous. All cultures expect that of children.



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20 Jan 2013, 7:42 pm

I have a question.

Are you saying that she has done just fine so far with following instructions right off, and that is why you aren't sure the diagnosis does not fit?

Or has she always struggled and you are not sure you can get used to breaking things down for her?

Diagnosis is information, a path to learning how to communicate. Not every person is the same, so how many of the traits apply to the one unique person is going to vary.


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20 Jan 2013, 10:50 pm

As a white male in New Orleans (grew up here)... I believe your statement about "black culture" and "Do what your told and do it right" seems to be a flawed statement... I have witnessed parents telling children to do something, over and over and over... JUST LIKE WHITE PARENTS!! !

HOWEVER... your daughter is an ADULT with a developmental disorder... if your question is indicative of the attitude displayed towards her, I can't blame her. As the answers to your question indicate, it came across as inherently disrespectful... You may sit back and say, "That's not the case!" and be tempted to be offended by that statement, but I suspect that you have not discussed this with her in an open and earnest manner... So... As far as I understand... It is considered rude and a betrayal of one's confidence to talk behind their back.

Further... your post suggests that you don't accept her... Our behavior is not something that we can help at at times.

If you truly wish to understand and connect, I recommend watching this video... It was a shock to many of us on the autistic spectrum... as much as it was to NTs... We, too, sometimes are stuck looking at life through the warped lens of our own perceptions...

VIDEO LINK


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