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27 Jan 2013, 6:04 am

Well, if it's not officiall and no institutions have knowledge about this diagnosis, than the easyesed way to get undx is to find another shrink and don't tell him/her about the previous diagnosis.


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27 Jan 2013, 6:09 am

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I would hate to be diagnosed in the UK, aspies seem to have it very bad there, with discriminatory restrictions on their lives.

This is exactly why I started this thread, and why I never tried to get a diagnosis.

Could somebody explain what myths you've been told about the UK?



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27 Jan 2013, 6:52 am

It's an interesting idea - but I think AS is who you are; your personality, everything. You can learn to cope with things, and hide things. But the very fact that you had to learn how to be social, means you'll still have AS. The way you think, the way you see the world - and the having to think about what you learned when you're being social; you'll still be relying on that, rather than relying on instinct.


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27 Jan 2013, 6:53 am

Noetic wrote:
Rational wrote:
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I would hate to be diagnosed in the UK, aspies seem to have it very bad there, with discriminatory restrictions on their lives.

This is exactly why I started this thread, and why I never tried to get a diagnosis.

Could somebody explain what myths you've been told about the UK?

I'm not talking specifically about the UK and I have no idea what he/she meant.

I'm only saying that an employer wouldn't react in my favour when they read about me having AS, regardless of whether I have good social skills or not.



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27 Jan 2013, 7:21 am

DVCal wrote:
Sorry I don't think you can be, I would hate to be diagnosed in the UK, aspies seem to have it very bad there, with discriminatory restrictions on their lives.


One more curious person. What restrictions are placed on the lives of people with Asperger's syndrome in the U.K.? I haven't heard of any?



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27 Jan 2013, 7:36 am

League_Girl wrote:
Only way to get undiagnosed is if you never had it to begin with which means you were misdiagnosed.

I think the same.
If you have Asperger's, you'll always have quirks and issues related to the condition. You can't get rid of them. You may learn to control them, but they will always remain, and they'll come out every now and then, because you can't change the way your brain processes reality.
Same for ADHD. Thanks to my med I can calm down and be less hyper, focus on things more, and though my organization skills still suck, I'm learning how to organize better. But my quirks related to ADHD are still quite noticeable, because I can't change the way my brain is structured.



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27 Jan 2013, 7:54 am

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I'm pretty sure that significant social impairment is a mandatory criterion for DSM-IV. Psychologists admit that social skills can be learned. Therefore, if I learn them, I will no longer pass that criterion, thus technically 'curing' myself of AS. Isn't that obvious?


Everyone is constantly learning new social skills. An AS person can learn new social skills, but more slowly than an NT will, and therefore you'll remain behind.

In addition, if you use a conscious process for things most people do unconsciously, fatigue will affect you more. Conscious mental processes take more energy than unconscious ones.

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I'm only saying that an employer wouldn't react in my favour when they read about me having AS, regardless of whether I have good social skills or not.


It depends on the employer, and probably on the job as well. I've heard of some computer-related jobs where employers will preferentially hire AS people on the perception that they're better with computers. In addition, when volunteering with disabled kids, most of my volunteer coordinators seem to expect my autism to make me better at handling autistic kids (and they're right about that).

If you're concerned, try explaining how your AS could be an advantage, or at very least not a disadvantage, in your chosen career. For example, having to consciously analyze social cues that others get intuitively could be a big help for a research psychologist (my own ambition).

One thing that's a bigger impediment than a diagnosis, for hiring, is a criminal record, and I've heard of guys who use their criminal records to their advantage. One guy who used to smuggle drugs got hired for a business position based on what he'd learnt about business management from being a drug smuggler (which is, after all, a business). If the right framing can get that sounding like a good thing, it'll be easier to do that with a diagnosis.



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27 Jan 2013, 8:15 am

YellowBanana wrote:
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Not to intrude on the subject at hand, but out of curiosity, what sort of restrictions apply to Aspies in the UK? Seems pretty terrifying.


I'm in the UK and I have no idea ... I haven't encountered any. But that doesn't mean they don't exist. I'd be interested in any responses to this question.
I haven't encountered any, either...but there does seem to be some sort of stigma attached to any sort of mental health [related] issue in the UK.


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19 May 2014, 8:28 am

Raziel wrote:
... find another shrink and don't tell him/her about the previous diagnosis.


I did that, and after many laborious sessions, he also diagnosed me with Asperger's Syndrome!
I guess, sometimes, some things just are!


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19 May 2014, 8:39 am

KnarlyDUDE09 wrote:
YellowBanana wrote:
windtreeman wrote:
Not to intrude on the subject at hand, but out of curiosity, what sort of restrictions apply to Aspies in the UK? Seems pretty terrifying.


I'm in the UK and I have no idea ... I haven't encountered any. But that doesn't mean they don't exist. I'd be interested in any responses to this question.
I haven't encountered any, either...but there does seem to be some sort of stigma attached to any sort of mental health [related] issue in the UK.


I also agree with the statement, their sadly dose seem to be a stigma to metal health in the UK just in general, look at some of the resent scandles in the care industry here in the UK, its horrid.



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19 May 2014, 9:54 am

Rational wrote:
I'm only saying that an employer wouldn't react in my favour when they read about me having AS, regardless of whether I have good social skills or not.


Why, on earth, would an employer have access to your medical records----unless you gave them to them. (DON'T tell your employer / potential employer. There's not enough understanding about AS for it to have come to "public acceptance". It's just human instinct to fear what we don't understand.) Your physician wouldn't give-out that information because of doctor / patient confidentiality.

As for the original post: I don't feel one can be "un-diagnosed" unless, of course, you learned new behaviors, took the test again, and got a different outcome----which is possible, I guess, but it doesn't mean you're "cured", it only means you've beaten the test----like beating a lie-detector test. I agree with so many of the other posts....

For instance one person said the symptoms would still be there, but only emerge, maybe, when you are tired. Another thing that I am learning is that they get more difficult to control with age----I guess because our reflexes slow-down, or whatever.