Tbh a lot of aspiess are annoying when they say the followin

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26 Feb 2013, 6:14 am

i agree with the sentiment of the OP but i ticked "No" because it is a bit of a trick poll.


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26 Feb 2013, 8:35 am

A. Yeah, it's arrogant.
B. That is really stupid. I neither believe that Einstein and Newton had Asperger's. This is a stereotype.
C. Asperger's is considered a mental disability, but not one of the most severe.
D. Another silly thing.
E. This is something I will never understand.
Technically speaking, people with Asperger's are supposed to have less possibily than NTs to be successful in life, because of the lack of social skills, and other issues. Hans Asperger's, the first to descibe the syndrome, said it. In the last 10 years Asperger's has become the condition of the geniouses, but people with the actual disorder are not like Scheldon from The Big Bang Theory.
From what I could see IRL and on this forum, people with the disorder seem to have a lot of issues.
You can't entirely blame society for this, because, even in an aspie-like society, you won't stop having oversensority issues, social anxiety for some aspies, etc.
So yeah, I think I agree with you for the most part.



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26 Feb 2013, 8:46 am

Just because someone doesn't go to hospital, doesn't mean it's not disabling. Why would someone who just has AS have to go to hospital anyway? :? They don't need tests, they don't need treatment, they don't need check ups to see if their disability is getting worse.

From the age of 11 - 18, I was only in hospital once for a test. But I was born disabled. I am incurable (I have other disabilities alongside) and just because I don't go to hospital that much, (yearly now) doesn't mean I don't have disabilities.

People who just have AS may only go to hospital if a part of their AS (such as depression caused by AS or a sensory difficulty) is treatable or they need stuff to help them manage. (such as conselling)



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26 Feb 2013, 11:24 am

whirlingmind wrote:
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top 5 stupidest cause, number one being aspie pride


What's wrong with Aspie pride? So, are they going to knock the gays too for having a Gay Pride march every year (which is what happens in the UK)?


i didnt say there was, however an nt made this article called top 5 stupidest causes on the internet and he put aspie pride. however although i disagree, i do agree that it is stupid when aspies say aspie>>nt

its like saying white>>black
aryan>>jew



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26 Feb 2013, 12:09 pm

salad wrote:
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salad wrote:
C. Aspergers is a disease and a major disability (go to a hospital and then talk to me about disability)



The other four annoy me. What annoys me about C. is the statement that Asperger's isn't a disability with the false dichotomy of comparing AS to hospitalization.

The vast majority of disabled people aren't hospitalized, and people with AS have been hospitalized because of issues related to having AS. Only one of my disabilities is likely to lead to hospitalization (major depression) but others cause me more daily impairments and disability because I am not currently having a depressive episode.

So, it annoys me when anyone tries to claim that AS cannot be disabling. It also annoys me when anyone tries to equate "being disabled" with being "worse than." Being disabled is another state of being, and doesn't make anyone better or worse than those who are not disabled. Acknowledging disability means acknowledging the real difficulties, challenges, and impairments a disabled person faces that someone who does not have that disability does not face.


Why am I always misquoted? I said major disability, aspergers is a disability but out of all the disabilities that exist on earth it is by far one of the most moderate. These people in hospitals have disabilities that are far more impairing than anything aspergers has to offer. A lot of the impairments can be coped with, heal after time, mild, or are compensated by a pro, whereas some severely disabled people in hospitals are there permanently, can't be coped with that easily, and have far worse disabilities.


"The Willis Tower is much taller than your house, therefore your house is not a building."

"A Ferrari is much faster than a Honda, therefore a Honda is not a car."

Your reasoning is faulty and insulting. We are not in a race to see who is more or less disabled than anyone else. It is possible to recognize and sympathize with a person's limitations regardless of their perceived severity.

I voted "yes" on your poll because I agree with everything else, but option C is ridiculously misinformed.



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26 Feb 2013, 1:18 pm

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B. if a person is a genius he//he has to have aspergers (while its very likely, to say NTs can't be geniuses is idiotic)


I do agree with this one. I used to know some clever kids at school, and they weren't on the spectrum at all.

Also, I hate it when people on the spectrum seem to think that NTs hate studying or hate doing anything that involves using their brain. Lots of NTs have higher paid jobs; doctors, prime ministers, lawyers, teachers, police, the list goes on. These people aren't all Aspies just because they all went to college or university to study. Doctors had to study science, and teachers had to study different logical things too. And no, these people don't just go all through this just for the money. They do it because they want to. My NT cousin is at college now studying technology with computers because he wants to be a technician where he can build computers, and he is not just ''doing it for the money'', he's doing it because that's his interest and it's what he wants to do. Not all NTs are brainwashed into just living to socialise and endure a lot of studying just to earn money.


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26 Feb 2013, 1:36 pm

Joe90 wrote:
Lots of NTs have higher paid jobs; doctors, prime ministers, lawyers, teachers, police, the list goes on.


True. Intelligence/talents/abilities in general are not distributed in favor of people on the spectrum. So basically there are lots of non-autistic (the term "NT" is bullsh*t) people who are just as good at anything some might see as an AS-strength, and in addition to that they're better at working in a team context, don't have to deal with sensory issues like overstimulation, can adapt faster to changing situations and so on. Which is why autism should be considered a disability.
This is not about your inherent value as a human being (notice the difference between "disabled person" and "person with a disability), but simply about abilities and opportunities a human is free to explore in a certain context.

So really simply put...if your legs don't work, you can't walk. If you eyes don't work, you can't see. If your brain has trouble dealing with the large mass of external information and has trouble interpreting body language, you're just as impaired in a different way.
Disability is not about devaluing a person, but about recognizing things you can't do because of your body/brain/genetics preventing you from it.



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26 Feb 2013, 5:13 pm

I always look upon my AS as a disability, or condition or disorder, but never a disease. I usually say ''disability'' because it does affect my abilities. I've made so much effort to improve myself over the years but I still won't ever be able to make friends as good as other people can, and I still can't stop myself from being stressy, bitter, depressed and anxious. All the anti-depressants in the world ain't going to work miracles. Getting rid of stress, depression and anxiety is really something that's got to be done by myself, which I find so hard to do. The world is just too overwhelming, what with all the changes that go on and all the pressure to have to work and not being entitled to disability money because I'm too ''able'' according to the government.

When I really hurt the base of my spine a few months ago, I could not sit or do anything that involved bending down either, and it took minutes just to stand up off a chair or get in and out of bed. It would have been difficult to go to work and do a cleaning job (I didn't have the cleaning job I have now back then), because I would have been in agony. But I could walk quite easily. The pain didn't seem to feel as bad when I walked upright. So if people saw me (who knew I had damaged the base of my spine and couldn't go to work) they would be like ''ah, she's able - she's walking!''
So that is how the government perceives people with disabilities like AS. Just because I can catch a bus on my own doesn't mean I don't struggle with this cruel curse.


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26 Feb 2013, 5:24 pm

The term NT is not BS, but it is often misunderstood and its origins misattributed.



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26 Feb 2013, 6:22 pm

RE: Asian cultures vs. Western cultures...

I'm part Asian, and I'm under the impression that East Asian cultures are rather heavy on both hierarchy structures and non-verbal social cues and other complicated social rituals. I would think that that would cause a certain hindrance for autistics when compared to cultures where communication is more overt and direct.

Not that Western countries have their own complications, or that Asian cultures don't have their benefits for autistics (I experience some myself), but I just don't think it's as 'cut and dried' as all that.


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26 Feb 2013, 8:00 pm

Verdandi wrote:
The term NT is not BS, but it is often misunderstood and its origins misattributed.


What's your take on defining the term?



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26 Feb 2013, 8:22 pm

mango_prom wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
The term NT is not BS, but it is often misunderstood and its origins misattributed.


What's your take on defining the term?


It is a word originally coined within the autistic community to describe people who are not autistic. Neurodiversity has been adopted by others, such as the dyslexic and ADHD communities.

The point of it is to have a word other than "normal" to describe the majority of people who do not have these problems. Some expand usage to mean "everyone who has any kind of mental illness" but I think that is throwing the net far too wide.