We are "entitled", have a negative attitude?

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I do think many aspies have a sense of entitlement to things they don't necessarily must have provided. Let's say you need a private quiet area to work, with dim non florescent lights and 5 minute rest each hour. Why you may want these, you shouldn't feel entitled to them, and no employer should be forced to make these accommodation.

If I was an employer and an Aspire came in, and started requesting all of these type of accommodations, I would try to make them feel unwanted as possible, try drive them away. Minor request like dimmer lights may be OK, but others like a private quiet work area, means they should find a new job.

And what kind of job would you be running? lol and if someone 'needs' those things to function it's a bit more than a want they need to just forget about.

If given an option of 5 minute break an hour and a quite private area or starvation, you will quickly learn to adapt.

Hence the reason there is the social safety network so if your mental condition prevents you from functioning on a job, you don't have to choose between starvation or magically functioning under conditions your condition does not allow for. At least that is how it's supposed to work.

Not sure how it works where you're at, but where I'm at, no-one can be denied benefits on the basis of someone else getting them. It's entirely a case by case basis where the end result is determined by evaluation of the applicant and their condition(s), and for some, it's the only option, aside from living on the street, because of the innability to hold a stable job, either due to not being able to drive to work (taking a cab can be rather expensive every month, depending on where you live, not everyone can afford that, especially these days), or not being able to perform the job to the employers standards.
As far as the financial structures of said services, that's happening everywhere, it's inescapable at this point, and it's with literally everything that society can possibly make money with/on, even businesses have to lay off their workers because of a lack of financial stability. But does that change anything in the long run? No, because there's only two choices: A) Find money, somehow. or B) live on the street or in a shelter of some kind.

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I've had people insult me because of my issues, I recieve benefits right now, largely due to my agoraphobia, but because I'm physically ok, people make the claim that I'm just "making excuses" or "not even trying". People like that really p*ss me off honestly, because they couldn't possibly know what it's like to be afraid of every new thing that happens, whether it's because of having to go somewhere new (which is terrifying to me), or do something that you've never done before and likely not know how to accomplish the goal of said new thing. They think it's all cut and dry/one way or the other, and people like that will give you the biggest hard time about it as well, trying to lay on as much of a "guilt trip" as they can with their "there are lots of people way worse off than you, so stop complaining" and other such bs. People like that like to downplay the problems that we have because to them we "appear" fine. What do they call that kind of person again? You know, the ones who don't believe in anything that they can't physically interact with in any way. Meh, I'll make up my own word for them: Physicalists

You know, I just looked it up, that's the real term lol Not kidding, click this

See, this is the problem right here, too many employers think this way, and that's why people with AS can't work half the time. It's not that people with AS are being unreasonable or feeling that they're "entitled" to a certain work environment, it's because those conditions allow said person to work at their peek efficiency, and any employer that can't recognize that clearly doesn't have their workers' best interests in mind. I'm not saying "bend over backwards and change everything for one person", but seriously, something has to give somewhere, and people can't make enough money to survive if they have to constantly look for a job that they can function in properly.

Employers seem to like to use the excuse of "workers will adapt or find a new job" to get what they want and not worry about what the workers' needs are. In fact "making them feel as unwanted as possible" and "trying to drive them away" because of the reasons stated above, amounts to workplace discrimination based on mental health, and that can get employers into a load of trouble with a lot of people.
Employers don't necessarily have to change everything, but they should at least attempt to make their workers as comfortable as reasonably possible, and in just about every job there is a "quiet place to work" unless you're doing manual labor, and even then, there are office workers in those environments as well, who work in quiet offices. It's not hard to find something for everyone in just about every work environment.

In some ways it's nature, in others it's nurture.

I've certainly gone through periods where I've had a horrendously negative attitude in the past.

I've changed some things up and and am much more positive.

I do believe we're born this way and naturally predisposed to it, that we don't choose it or feel we're entitled to be bitter jerks. Who would choose that?

I'd like to believe we're entitled to a little patience, acceptance, & compassion - or even just tolerance - from others who don't have to go through life trying to sort out these particular challenges before they can move on with the typical regular challenges of life.

However, I also believe that there are many things we can do to better ourselves and our mindsets through diet, exercise, meditation, medication etc etc and that once we sort out the neurochemical factors that keep us in dark moods & thought patterns, that we can change ourselves and be a lot... brighter.

Some office have an open work environment were dozens of people work without any privacy or separation between them. Some aspies or some condition may have trouble working around so many people, and may require a more private cubicle. This should not have to be provided.

Same with frequent brakes for processing or what not, again should be denied.

Dim lights should only be provided if others are not negatively affected.

You drive them away discreetly, so they can't prove it.

Jeepers! Thanks for that helpful tidbit, Jeremy Bentham.

I'm the opposite. I don't feel entitled to have a negative attitude. I prefer to have a positive attitude about things and celebrate all the things that make me the unique person that I am.

Last edited by CockneyRebel on 28 Feb 2013, 5:23 am, edited 2 times in total.

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Mirrors the attitude of one of my closest also Aspie friends. I've certainly learned a lot from him & others like him and yourself.

Thank you guys for that!

If those accommodations have more benefits (in terms of the employee becoming more productive as a result of them) than the costs of providing them, then it is clearly beneficial to both the employer and the employee, a win-win situation. If on the other hand the benefits are limited or non-existent, then it is fair not to provide them.

And making someone feel unwanted is NEVER acceptable. If it really isn't possible to accommodate them you politely explain to them that.



The point is Aspies may find it more difficult to adapt. Again, the costs of accommodating them may well be less than the lost productivity by not doing so.

So by your logic, if an employee has problems with bright lights, and their work productivity is hindered because of sensory issues or whatnot with said bright lights, they should simply find another job, yet when dimmed lights affect another worker's (who has not been diagnosed with sensory issues) productivity, they take priority?
I'm sorry, but frankly that's insanely daft of you. That's the very definition of discrimination in the workplace, and on top of that, you'd "discreetly drive the person who has the issues away" so they can't sue you for being an arse by proving said discriminatory actions.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is a prime example of a person who causes problems for you in the workplace.

So then, do you support the idea of people who would have those requests in the workplace then, to be on welfare/SSI/etc.?
If not, then how do you expect them to hold down a job, given that most employers have your stance on the subject?
Are you then, also against supplying ramps or guard rails for employees who'd need them?

Or you'll seem to adapt for a while, then burn yourself out completely and starve anyway, but whatever, same difference, am I right?

If you can't work in office environment without all kinds of accommodations then maybe, just living of SSI would be best.