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AScomposer13413
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16 Mar 2013, 9:10 am

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Sorry i don't mean bisexual, i mean bi-personality: are you originally AS, but later trained yourself and created a new NT personality.

I am like this. I was strongly AS as a child, but i aggressively forced myself to be NT, because i hated myself and wanted to improve my life. I was severely geeky, anti-social, reclusive, no friends, i was always engrossed in my books and my imagination. By the time i entered high school, being different caused me so much stress and self-hatred, i wanted to totally rebuild myself. It was a very painful process over several years, but i succeeded to be strongly NT. However the true result was AS was not erased, just covered up by NT.

I am happy to have a strong outgoing NT side, because i can meet so many people, have many friendships, wonderful adventures and excellent experiences. I appreciate the AS side too because it definitely makes me colorful, unique and very interesting to others. But that same AS side eventually ruins things. For example, i have made met so many people, had many friendships, but i still do not have any friends, because something they do irritates me, so i hate them and reject them. Regarding groups, jobs and organizations, i can easily enter, be accepted and make a great start, but i eventually notice their imperfections, feel very irritated, and want to leave.

If you are both, how do you balance between AS and NT, because i always have wild swings between two strong AS and NT extremes, and it definitely causes problems. I want to control this.


Man, I feel as if I could have written this post, OP. I'm currently going through that dilemma...it's kinda scary, actually >__< The only solution I have is to make sure when you're hanging around a good balance of AS and NT people, but even that gets difficult after a while :?


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21 Mar 2013, 3:43 am

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MannyBoo wrote:
Sorry i don't mean bisexual, i mean bi-personality: are you originally AS, but later trained yourself and created a new NT personality.

I am like this. I was strongly AS as a child, but i aggressively forced myself to be NT, because i hated myself and wanted to improve my life. I was severely geeky, anti-social, reclusive, no friends, i was always engrossed in my books and my imagination. By the time i entered high school, being different caused me so much stress and self-hatred, i wanted to totally rebuild myself. It was a very painful process over several years, but i succeeded to be strongly NT. However the true result was AS was not erased, just covered up by NT.

I am happy to have a strong outgoing NT side, because i can meet so many people, have many friendships, wonderful adventures and excellent experiences. I appreciate the AS side too because it definitely makes me colorful, unique and very interesting to others. But that same AS side eventually ruins things. For example, i have made met so many people, had many friendships, but i still do not have any friends, because something they do irritates me, so i hate them and reject them. Regarding groups, jobs and organizations, i can easily enter, be accepted and make a great start, but i eventually notice their imperfections, feel very irritated, and want to leave.

If you are both, how do you balance between AS and NT, because i always have wild swings between two strong AS and NT extremes, and it definitely causes problems. I want to control this.


Man, I feel as if I could have written this post, OP. I'm currently going through that dilemma...it's kinda scary, actually >__< The only solution I have is to make sure when you're hanging around a good balance of AS and NT people, but even that gets difficult after a while :?

all things (pros & cons) considered, i am glad i have the "other side" there as well.. if i was only on one side constantly, i think i would have it worse than now, because i would have less options.. i think it is good that we have that other personality alternative, instead of being same all the time.. yes the balancing act is tough, sometimes things come crashing down, despite your best efforts.. what we need to do is get back up faster each time.. its about endurance imho.



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21 Mar 2013, 11:05 am

Neurotypical barriers don't apply to me, so sometumes I can be quite outgoing too (for example, asking complete strangers for directions when most NTs would never dream of doing so).

I guess there are basically two versions of me, the old one is pretty much dead but he lives on in my memories and thoughts. Because of one-and-a-half decades of rejection by my peers and isolation from the wider world, I'm learning to put on an NT-like facade, which actually feels pretty good to me. It's been a long, hard road, but I think I'm about 50% to 75% there. I made a lot of progress last year, my last year of high school (it took four years of observation to figure out how to socialise with teenagers normally).

Strangers, as a rule, still scare the crap out of me, because sometimes I find myself assuming the worst. The really annoying thing is that I keep getting called gay by strangers. :?: I know there's nothing wrong if you are gay, but I want to be with a woman one day and I don't want society getting the wrong idea. It's like I can't pull off the 'straight young male' act correctly.



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21 Mar 2013, 11:15 am

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I probably am a hybrid of AS/NT now as well. The most important thing to consider is time for yourself to re-energize and go back out there and keep at it. If all you are doing is spending time with other people and not enough time for yourself, you will probably go full swing back into your AS tendencies. That's my take on it.


But how is that possible since you were already diagnosed with aspergers?

When I think of an AS/NT hybrid I think of someone that hasn't been diagnosed, but has some slight to moderate symptomology (but not enough).
Maybe a 'quirky' NT.



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21 Mar 2013, 11:19 am

Before I'd alternate between thinking I have AS and thinking I don't. Now I sort of accept it but don't think about it so much.


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03 Apr 2013, 3:41 pm

Being both NT and ASD isn't possible.
Spectrum disorders are neurological, therefore you aren't typical.



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03 Apr 2013, 3:53 pm

I mimicked NT traits for a long time and now I think at 50 they're ingrained.
Also at 50 I've decided instead of trying to be outgoing NT, to be a more quiet individual. A person can be outgoing and friendly and nice without having too much to say. When I was younger, my motor mouth was one of my biggest problems socially. Now I try to be as nice as possible and taciturn. I find a few well placed words, is more effective than a whole lot of words. "Cool" people don't talk too much. They know how to keep it short and sweet.



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03 Apr 2013, 6:34 pm

Well, I got my diagnosis when I was 12, and I guess you could say I have become more Aspie since then...

See, before my diagnosis, I wasn't aware of how weird I was. After my diagnosis, I became aware, adjusted, and embraced it. Yet with a lot of adjustments such as being home/online schooled now, I feel like my Aspie symptoms have become more apparent.


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03 Apr 2013, 6:59 pm

I have some characteristics that are not frequent in the ASD population. Examples:
- very outgoing/talkative
- like new situations/people (albeit within my interest field)
- somewhat concerned about status (a very recent thing, though)
- can easily approach others
- have high self-confidence (yet low self-esteem)
Somehow, though, in peer group social situations, I get very lost. That and sometimes sensory overload leads to awkwardness and me sticking out like a sore thumb. I'm still not sure how NT I *really* am.


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03 Apr 2013, 7:17 pm

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28 Apr 2013, 9:53 am

The thread title definitely describes me. I always got along pretty well with NT's too.



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28 Apr 2013, 10:15 am

MannyBoo wrote:
If you are both, how do you balance between AS and NT, because i always have wild swings between two strong AS and NT extremes, and it definitely causes problems. I want to control this.
I use my NT side at work and when around strangers. I use an "NT/AS" side when around friends and my AS side when i'm with my parents/sister. I learned "being an NT" at work over the years. Some of the NT mimicking things eventually became part of who I am.

Acting like an NT is still very draining for me. Especially when you're going out somewhere and have to talk to people for a few hours straight. The longer it takes the more quiet and tired I get.


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28 Apr 2013, 10:38 am

Chloe33 wrote:
Being both NT and ASD isn't possible.
Spectrum disorders are neurological, therefore you aren't typical.


I think he's not referring only to the neurological condition, but to some kind of adaptative learning.

When you behave in some way for years, at the end in becomes a part of you. And be aware that you live in a NT world since you're very child. You learn to behave as a NT from you early ages on.

For example, if you live in Germany since you're a kid, it's likely you'll grow up having psychological traits that are closer to German character. And being german is not, as long as I know, a neurological condition. (though some people probably woud disagree :D)


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28 Apr 2013, 1:13 pm

For 15 minutes or so at a time, I am able to pull out of my " toolbox " my NT-like conversation ability. For example, I recently stayed two days at a bed and breakfast where the owners were extremely friendly and talkative. My first reaction to this situation was, :eew: - "I paid for this and should not have to comply with social nicety c---." But here is where copying and chameleon behavior helps: I pretended to be like normal people and play-acted a version of myself. My partner who was there with me said I did well, and that it seemed like the owners liked talking with me. It has taken me years to develop this, by the way. After, I need to get away and have quiet time, but I feel good about performing for a few minutes. Only do this if the people seem really kind and non-threatening to me. I would say a lot more here, but I'm typing with one hand due to this ---- broken arm.



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29 Apr 2013, 8:01 pm

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I don't know. I feel like I am an NT with AS, if that makes sense. Underneath, I am willing to be confident, have a busy social life, go out to noisy bars, and work in an extremely busy restaurant or pub and having to make social contact with customers and working with loud people. I really want that. But I have this AS sh** that has grabbed hold of my soul and is really holding me back from doing all of these. It's very complicated to explain though, because people just say ''well if you were that willing to do all that then you would, regardless of what's holding you back''. But it doesn't always work like that. It'd be a bit like somebody with no legs really wanting to run a race (actually running), but being unable to because he has got no legs and can't do anything beyond using a wheelchair, which he is getting fed up with. He is really interested in sports, and it'd be a bit like saying ''he's an athlete in a disabled person's body. He desperately wants to do things where you got to use your legs but he can't''. So with me you could say ''I'm a social butterfly in an Aspie's body. I desperately want to do things where you socialise and interact with people but I can't''.


I know exactly how you feel. I feel there are advantages to being an Aspie but lack of social skills has always hit me hard. And many therapists have tried to tell me I just have to try and I will learn how to be more social and I will make new friends. I have tried many times but the results are almost always the same: I am good when I first meet people, but the more I try to socialize the worse it gets. Most people do not find me different when they first meet me, but I weird people out really quickly. I really want to be social, go places, and talk to people without the effort it takes now. College was particularly hard for me, since most activities were group activities. I always tried to make myself seem interested in hanging out with the group but I was never invited anywhere. I could never figure out what I was doing wrong. Anywho, to answer the original poster's question: I have adopted enough NT traits to pass myself off as normal when I first meet people or in certain situations. Sometimes I even surprise myself. But in the end the Aspie traits always prevail.



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Joe90 wrote:
I don't know. I feel like I am an NT with AS, if that makes sense. Underneath, I am willing to be confident, have a busy social life, go out to noisy bars, and work in an extremely busy restaurant or pub and having to make social contact with customers and working with loud people. I really want that. But I have this AS sh** that has grabbed hold of my soul and is really holding me back from doing all of these. It's very complicated to explain though, because people just say ''well if you were that willing to do all that then you would, regardless of what's holding you back''. But it doesn't always work like that. It'd be a bit like somebody with no legs really wanting to run a race (actually running), but being unable to because he has got no legs and can't do anything beyond using a wheelchair, which he is getting fed up with. He is really interested in sports, and it'd be a bit like saying ''he's an athlete in a disabled person's body. He desperately wants to do things where you got to use your legs but he can't''. So with me you could say ''I'm a social butterfly in an Aspie's body. I desperately want to do things where you socialise and interact with people but I can't''.


I know exactly how you feel. I feel there are advantages to being an Aspie but lack of social skills has always hit me hard. And many therapists have tried to tell me I just have to try and I will learn how to be more social and I will make new friends. I have tried many times but the results are almost always the same: I am good when I first meet people, but the more I try to socialize the worse it gets. Most people do not find me different when they first meet me, but I weird people out really quickly. I really want to be social, go places, and talk to people without the effort it takes now. College was particularly hard for me, since most activities were group activities. I always tried to make myself seem interested in hanging out with the group but I was never invited anywhere. I could never figure out what I was doing wrong. Anywho, to answer the original poster's question: I have adopted enough NT traits to pass myself off as normal when I first meet people or in certain situations. Sometimes I even surprise myself. But in the end the Aspie traits always prevail.