Aspergers syndrome is a disability plain and simple

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08 Mar 2013, 6:08 am

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Why? I know by now they are going to hate me whether I try to be nice or mean, cool or nerdy, myself or someone else. They are going to mistreat and abuse me every chance they get. Why the hell should I care what upsets them?


Why assume all NT's are going to behave that way towards you? You can't possibly know that. It's an illogical assumption.

Sure, it may be based on some personal experience or several, but painting most of the 7 Billion people on the planet with the same brush isn't realistic, fair, accurate.. etc. It's merely an assumption you're likely basing on a select set of experiences and projecting upon everyone due to the halo effect. (Inverse of stereotyping where you assume everyone is some way due to the actions of one, vs. assuming someone is some way due to the actions of many - but not all.)


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08 Mar 2013, 7:25 am

The AS mind is neither broken nor out of balance. We developed differently and our minds work differently, but they are healthy, in-balance minds. Just like a short person is not an unhealthy tall person, an autistic person is not an unhealthy NT. Even when the person is so short as to be considered as having dwarfism, they can still be healthy. So it is with autism. Autism is a developmental disability; our minds are different, causing impairment, but they are not out of balance unless we have some mental illness as well. That means that the goal for autism treatment is to teach people to cope with the NT world, instead of trying to make them into faux NTs.

Yes, it's a disability, but you seem to think that that means it has to be a totally bad thing, that it means it can't have any positive effects, that autism can't benefit the societies in which autistic people live, that everything would be better if it didn't exist. That's not true. Disability is a neutral fact, not a tragedy.

I appreciate that you are calling people out for being silly (and unscientific) enough to call anything, including autism, a "next step in evolution", but don't swing to the opposite pole and say that autism must be totally undesirable. The genes for autism are floating around because they're useful. In small doses, they are involved with innovation and creativity. In large doses, they're involved with disability.

Additionally: Yeah, autism can cause annoying things, even painful things. But I think that when we suffer, it's far more to be from the prejudices of others than from autism.

As for antagonizing NTs by calling them NTs, I think if they are offended by being told that they have neurology in the average range, a fact that they by and large consider to be positive or at least neutral, then they're far too touchy. Most NTs don't mind. Having a word for them is a way for us to affirm our own identity as well as talk about ourselves as a group; it's like the word "straight" or "cisgender". Instead of there being "people" and "autistic people", we use terms like "neurotypical" to define both groups as equally human. If it's valid to label ourselves "autistic", then it's valid to label people without neurological atypicality "neurotypical". We do not need to be submissive and try to placate the NTs, because we are not inferior to them. We are equals. If "NT" implied anything offensive, I'd change my story and say that using the term was wrong; but the way it is, we need a way to talk about people who are in the average range, who make up the bulk of humanity, and "NT" serves the purpose nicely.


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08 Mar 2013, 10:17 am

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The Autistic mind is a broken mind that is out of balance.

Fits of rage even it they are kept internal.
OCD.
Unable to form relationships or friendships or maintain them.
The world is a changing place being a slave to routine is a disaster in the modern world.

Being an Aspie myself I really like the people I interacted with on this board.

They are honest and helpful.

The world is full of two face lying and nasty people and we are not equipped to function in it.

If the world was full of people with Autism to some degree being a NT would be a disability.

I don't intend my post to be negative it anyway just a dose of reality.

The positive thing is it is possible to work around this disability to a large extent and this board is a great help and has helped me.

Posts that try to imply that Autism in any form is evolution are misguided to say the least in my opinion.

Also we should stop calling regular people NTs as it seems to upset some of them and that is the last thing we want to be doing as an online group.


While I agree it is a disability, not all aspies have so called fits of rage, not all aspies have OCD, and not all aspies demand routine. Though difficulty in making friends seems to be universal.



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08 Mar 2013, 11:13 am

Having a disability maybe for a good reason, you never know



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08 Mar 2013, 3:25 pm

HeyimJoel wrote:
Having a disability maybe for a good reason, you never know


eh? Can you expand on that please?



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08 Mar 2013, 3:30 pm

I have always struggled with the word disability. I don't feel disabled. Certainly there are things that i can't do or are seriously impaired at. However, there are things that I am much better at than the average person.

I recently heard someone refer to it as a "situational disability". I kind of like that term. I think that sums it up for me. (I think they may have obtained the term from the book "Finding Kansas"?)



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08 Mar 2013, 4:37 pm

It is a disability because it has an impact on the ability of people to work and socialize. If it wasn't a disability, autistics wouldn't have such a high unemployment rate.



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08 Mar 2013, 5:21 pm

Drehmaschine wrote:
It is a disability because it has an impact on the ability of people to work and socialize. If it wasn't a disability, autistics wouldn't have such a high unemployment rate.


Yes I was thinking that when I started the thread but somehow forgot to include it.



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08 Mar 2013, 7:27 pm

i don't consider it a disability in my opinion. With the right help and medication you can at least function with a job at least. I am currently in college and on 3 meds that work very good for me. I see a doctor who understands AS. But everyone is different of course, i still have my struggles like Obsessions and OCD, but i have come a long way since