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Regardless of what your full diagnosis is though, isn't the most important think formulating some kind of plan of action to enable you to cope with your difficulties?



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Regardless of what your full diagnosis is though, isn't the most important think formulating some kind of plan of action to enable you to cope with your difficulties?


Yes, but an AS diagnosis really doesn't seem to be able to do this.



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Regardless of what your full diagnosis is though, isn't the most important think formulating some kind of plan of action to enable you to cope with your difficulties?


Yes, but an AS diagnosis really doesn't seem to be able to do this.


You need to say what problems do I have in my life (regardless of the cause) and what can I do to overcome or cope with them

List your top 5 main difficulties in life at the moment



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Regardless of what your full diagnosis is though, isn't the most important think formulating some kind of plan of action to enable you to cope with your difficulties?


Yes, but an AS diagnosis really doesn't seem to be able to do this.


You need to say what problems do I have in my life (regardless of the cause) and what can I do to overcome or cope with them

List your top 5 main difficulties in life at the moment


1. My voice sounds weird.

2. Trouble focusing on things.

3. Inability to connect with people.

4. A cycle that alternates between rage/hostility and depression/anxiety.

5. Horrible self-esteem.



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17 Mar 2013, 9:12 am

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Regardless of what your full diagnosis is though, isn't the most important think formulating some kind of plan of action to enable you to cope with your difficulties?


Yes, but an AS diagnosis really doesn't seem to be able to do this.


You need to say what problems do I have in my life (regardless of the cause) and what can I do to overcome or cope with them

List your top 5 main difficulties in life at the moment


1. My voice sounds weird.

2. Trouble focusing on things.

3. Inability to connect with people.

4. Impulsiveness, including problems with procrastination and being late constantly.

5. Having a "f**k it" attitude.



1. You could see a speech and language therapist

2. What is your diet like?

3. You connect ok on WP so it's probably that the type of people you usually mix with aren't on your wavelength

4. Get an alarm clock, set up reminders on Outlook Calender and wall calendar and write down To Do lists

5. Is this attitude helping you? If not make a decision to try a different strategy



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17 Mar 2013, 9:38 am

nessa238 wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
Regardless of what your full diagnosis is though, isn't the most important think formulating some kind of plan of action to enable you to cope with your difficulties?


Yes, but an AS diagnosis really doesn't seem to be able to do this.


You need to say what problems do I have in my life (regardless of the cause) and what can I do to overcome or cope with them

List your top 5 main difficulties in life at the moment


1. My voice sounds weird.

2. Trouble focusing on things.

3. Inability to connect with people.

4. Impulsiveness, including problems with procrastination and being late constantly.

5. Having a "f**k it" attitude.



1. You could see a speech and language therapist

It's been hard to find one suitable who even recognizes that there is a problem or doesn't want to waste a lot of sessions working on other stuff first. I've decided to simply adopt Matt Bomer's voice.

2. What is your diet like?

Too healthy with too many vegetables. No, seriously. I am getting evaluated this week for a variety of food allergies including a highly suspected intolerance to the salicylates found in most vegetables. As well as celiac disease (unlikely).

3. You connect ok on WP so it's probably that the type of people you usually mix with aren't on your wavelength

Not really. And it's not necessarily my intention here to do so, though I've made a few contacts whose conversations we have moved off the site. Not like other people here though. One of them, interestingly, is borderline rather than aspie.

4. Get an alarm clock, set up reminders on Outlook Calender and wall calendar and write down To Do lists

It's more a matter of not wanting to do things and procrastinating as a result. I think it could be allergy-related.


5. Is this attitude helping you? If not make a decision to try a different strategy


No, it's usually an attitude that alternates between this and depression/anxiety. I'd say I'm *literally* always in fight or flight mode. I happen to be in fight mode now. It's not something I think I could just choose to stop. But I am working on getting help for it, starting first with food allergies, and then getting evaluated again for a personality disorder, such as BPD or maybe bipolar. The one who saw me super depressed should see the "manic" version of me. But again, it's hard to connect with therapists, like everyone, so I usually don't stay in it very long. Finding a BPD expert might be key. This is why I suspect BPD over bipolar because rapidly cycling through therapists and having trouble connecting with people is a signature BPD thing.



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17 Mar 2013, 9:44 am

Tyri0n wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
Regardless of what your full diagnosis is though, isn't the most important think formulating some kind of plan of action to enable you to cope with your difficulties?


Yes, but an AS diagnosis really doesn't seem to be able to do this.


You need to say what problems do I have in my life (regardless of the cause) and what can I do to overcome or cope with them

List your top 5 main difficulties in life at the moment


1. My voice sounds weird.

2. Trouble focusing on things.

3. Inability to connect with people.

4. Impulsiveness, including problems with procrastination and being late constantly.

5. Having a "f**k it" attitude.



1. You could see a speech and language therapist

It's been hard to find one suitable who even recognizes that there is a problem or doesn't want to waste a lot of sessions working on other stuff first. I've decided to simply adopt Matt Bomer's voice.

2. What is your diet like?

Too healthy with too many vegetables. No, seriously. I am getting evaluated this week for a variety of food allergies including a highly suspected intolerance to the salicylates found in most vegetables. As well as celiac disease (unlikely).

3. You connect ok on WP so it's probably that the type of people you usually mix with aren't on your wavelength

Not really. And it's not necessarily my intention here to do so, though I've made a few contacts whose conversations we have moved off the site. Not like other people here though. One of them, interestingly, is borderline rather than aspie.

4. Get an alarm clock, set up reminders on Outlook Calender and wall calendar and write down To Do lists

It's more a matter of not wanting to do things and procrastinating as a result. I think it could be allergy-related.


5. Is this attitude helping you? If not make a decision to try a different strategy


No, it's usually an attitude that alternates between this and depression/anxiety. I'd say I'm *literally* always in fight or flight mode. I happen to be in fight mode now. It's not something I think I could just choose to stop. But I am working on getting help for it, starting first with food allergies, and then getting evaluated again for a personality disorder, such as BPD or maybe bipolar. The one who saw me super depressed should see the "manic" version of me. But again, it's hard to connect with therapists, like everyone, so I usually don't stay in it very long. Finding a BPD expert might be key.


I'd keep trying to find an Speech Therapist who understands you better.

Do you eat enough protein each day? Do you eat a lot of sugar and junk food?

Eating the right diet is important as regards concentration

What did you have for breakfast?

So you aren't really looking to make connections/friends on WP? why is that?

It sounds as if you aren't making yourself open enough to make connections or possibly don't even
want to make them as what you say seems a bit contradictory

What do you mean by 'Not like other people here though' - do you mean you feel others make better or more
connections than you?

Do you take any medication and if so what is it?



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17 Mar 2013, 10:56 am

nessa238 wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
Regardless of what your full diagnosis is though, isn't the most important think formulating some kind of plan of action to enable you to cope with your difficulties?


Yes, but an AS diagnosis really doesn't seem to be able to do this.


You need to say what problems do I have in my life (regardless of the cause) and what can I do to overcome or cope with them

List your top 5 main difficulties in life at the moment


1. My voice sounds weird.

2. Trouble focusing on things.

3. Inability to connect with people.

4. Impulsiveness, including problems with procrastination and being late constantly.

5. Having a "f**k it" attitude.



1. You could see a speech and language therapist

It's been hard to find one suitable who even recognizes that there is a problem or doesn't want to waste a lot of sessions working on other stuff first. I've decided to simply adopt Matt Bomer's voice.

2. What is your diet like?

Too healthy with too many vegetables. No, seriously. I am getting evaluated this week for a variety of food allergies including a highly suspected intolerance to the salicylates found in most vegetables. As well as celiac disease (unlikely).

3. You connect ok on WP so it's probably that the type of people you usually mix with aren't on your wavelength

Not really. And it's not necessarily my intention here to do so, though I've made a few contacts whose conversations we have moved off the site. Not like other people here though. One of them, interestingly, is borderline rather than aspie.

4. Get an alarm clock, set up reminders on Outlook Calender and wall calendar and write down To Do lists

It's more a matter of not wanting to do things and procrastinating as a result. I think it could be allergy-related.


5. Is this attitude helping you? If not make a decision to try a different strategy


No, it's usually an attitude that alternates between this and depression/anxiety. I'd say I'm *literally* always in fight or flight mode. I happen to be in fight mode now. It's not something I think I could just choose to stop. But I am working on getting help for it, starting first with food allergies, and then getting evaluated again for a personality disorder, such as BPD or maybe bipolar. The one who saw me super depressed should see the "manic" version of me. But again, it's hard to connect with therapists, like everyone, so I usually don't stay in it very long. Finding a BPD expert might be key.


I'd keep trying to find an Speech Therapist who understands you better.

I'm taking an acting class for this. I had one speech therapist who basically got me speaking even more oddly. Most don't admit there's anything wrong, but my friends say differently. lol. I think just imitating someone else's voice is better because I have a good memory for sound.

Do you eat enough protein each day? Do you eat a lot of sugar and junk food?

1. Yes (chicken or fish mostly); 2. almost none. I really think it's the vegetables and salicylates.

Eating the right diet is important as regards concentration

What did you have for breakfast?

Quote:
Gluten-free cereal and flax milk.


So you aren't really looking to make connections/friends on WP? why is that?

Not sure. I don't really fit in as aspie, but it's the best site of its kind I have at the moment. I'm both too unstable, too sociable, and too sociopathic all at once to fit in with a classic aspie. I tried dating one, and it was very hard not to be critical of virtually everything she did. Also, I kind of hate autism while most people here embrace it as an identity. Also probably too insecure and anxious, if that's even believable.

It sounds as if you aren't making yourself open enough to make connections or possibly don't even
want to make them as what you say seems a bit contradictory

My real life behavior is contradictory in the same way. This is one of my problems.

What do you mean by 'Not like other people here though' - do you mean you feel others make better or more
connections than you?

Probably. There are a lot of nerds in the aspie community, not all, but the majority. I am not one. The aspie community, like all communities, is a bad fit for me. I went to a social skills group for several months with several aspies, and it was even worse than it is on this site. I felt just as much like a different species as I do around NT's.

Do you take any medication and if so what is it?

No, I take 5-HTP, Choline, and a Piracetam extract for depression. These are just dietary supplements though, and most of these problems predated the piracetam extract, though choline could be causing some of the anger (since it reduces social anxiety, it could change "flight" to "fight"; I had a similar experience with Zoloft when I was on it).



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Tyri0n wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
Regardless of what your full diagnosis is though, isn't the most important think formulating some kind of plan of action to enable you to cope with your difficulties?


Yes, but an AS diagnosis really doesn't seem to be able to do this.


You need to say what problems do I have in my life (regardless of the cause) and what can I do to overcome or cope with them

List your top 5 main difficulties in life at the moment


1. My voice sounds weird.

2. Trouble focusing on things.

3. Inability to connect with people.

4. Impulsiveness, including problems with procrastination and being late constantly.

5. Having a "f**k it" attitude.



1. You could see a speech and language therapist

It's been hard to find one suitable who even recognizes that there is a problem or doesn't want to waste a lot of sessions working on other stuff first. I've decided to simply adopt Matt Bomer's voice.

2. What is your diet like?

Too healthy with too many vegetables. No, seriously. I am getting evaluated this week for a variety of food allergies including a highly suspected intolerance to the salicylates found in most vegetables. As well as celiac disease (unlikely).

3. You connect ok on WP so it's probably that the type of people you usually mix with aren't on your wavelength

Not really. And it's not necessarily my intention here to do so, though I've made a few contacts whose conversations we have moved off the site. Not like other people here though. One of them, interestingly, is borderline rather than aspie.

4. Get an alarm clock, set up reminders on Outlook Calender and wall calendar and write down To Do lists

It's more a matter of not wanting to do things and procrastinating as a result. I think it could be allergy-related.


5. Is this attitude helping you? If not make a decision to try a different strategy


No, it's usually an attitude that alternates between this and depression/anxiety. I'd say I'm *literally* always in fight or flight mode. I happen to be in fight mode now. It's not something I think I could just choose to stop. But I am working on getting help for it, starting first with food allergies, and then getting evaluated again for a personality disorder, such as BPD or maybe bipolar. The one who saw me super depressed should see the "manic" version of me. But again, it's hard to connect with therapists, like everyone, so I usually don't stay in it very long. Finding a BPD expert might be key.


I'd keep trying to find an Speech Therapist who understands you better.

I'm taking an acting class for this. I had one speech therapist who basically got me speaking even more oddly. Most don't admit there's anything wrong, but my friends say differently. lol. I think just imitating someone else's voice is better because I have a good memory for sound.

Do you eat enough protein each day? Do you eat a lot of sugar and junk food?

1. Yes (chicken or fish mostly); 2. almost none. I really think it's the vegetables and salicylates.

Eating the right diet is important as regards concentration

What did you have for breakfast?

Quote:
Gluten-free cereal and flax milk.


So you aren't really looking to make connections/friends on WP? why is that?

Not sure. I don't really fit in as aspie, but it's the best site of its kind I have at the moment. I'm both too unstable, too sociable, and too sociopathic all at once to fit in with a classic aspie. I tried dating one, and it was very hard not to be critical of virtually everything she did. Also, I kind of hate autism while most people here embrace it as an identity. Also probably too insecure and anxious, if that's even believable.

It sounds as if you aren't making yourself open enough to make connections or possibly don't even
want to make them as what you say seems a bit contradictory

My real life behavior is contradictory in the same way. This is one of my problems.

What do you mean by 'Not like other people here though' - do you mean you feel others make better or more
connections than you?

Probably. There are a lot of nerds in the aspie community, not all, but the majority. I am not one. The aspie community, like all communities, is a bad fit for me. I went to a social skills group for several months with several aspies, and it was even worse than it is on this site. I felt just as much like a different species as I do around NT's.

Do you take any medication and if so what is it?

No, I take 5-HTP, Choline, and a Piracetam extract for depression. These are just dietary supplements though, and most of these problems predated the piracetam extract, though choline could be causing some of the anger (since it reduces social anxiety, it could change "flight" to "fight"; I had a similar experience with Zoloft when I was on it).



Perhaps you need something stronger medication-wise to get more control over your behaviour patterns etc

Either an anti-depressant or something people with Bipolar take

A mood stabilising medication that also helps with motivation

Also what's the definition of a 'nerd'?

Is it a bookish person who isn't focused on being cool?

I've often thought the majority of people on WP are on a mission to prove they are anything but nerds!



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nessa238 wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
Regardless of what your full diagnosis is though, isn't the most important think formulating some kind of plan of action to enable you to cope with your difficulties?


Yes, but an AS diagnosis really doesn't seem to be able to do this.


You need to say what problems do I have in my life (regardless of the cause) and what can I do to overcome or cope with them

List your top 5 main difficulties in life at the moment


1. My voice sounds weird.

2. Trouble focusing on things.

3. Inability to connect with people.

4. Impulsiveness, including problems with procrastination and being late constantly.

5. Having a "f**k it" attitude.



1. You could see a speech and language therapist

It's been hard to find one suitable who even recognizes that there is a problem or doesn't want to waste a lot of sessions working on other stuff first. I've decided to simply adopt Matt Bomer's voice.

2. What is your diet like?

Too healthy with too many vegetables. No, seriously. I am getting evaluated this week for a variety of food allergies including a highly suspected intolerance to the salicylates found in most vegetables. As well as celiac disease (unlikely).

3. You connect ok on WP so it's probably that the type of people you usually mix with aren't on your wavelength

Not really. And it's not necessarily my intention here to do so, though I've made a few contacts whose conversations we have moved off the site. Not like other people here though. One of them, interestingly, is borderline rather than aspie.

4. Get an alarm clock, set up reminders on Outlook Calender and wall calendar and write down To Do lists

It's more a matter of not wanting to do things and procrastinating as a result. I think it could be allergy-related.


5. Is this attitude helping you? If not make a decision to try a different strategy


No, it's usually an attitude that alternates between this and depression/anxiety. I'd say I'm *literally* always in fight or flight mode. I happen to be in fight mode now. It's not something I think I could just choose to stop. But I am working on getting help for it, starting first with food allergies, and then getting evaluated again for a personality disorder, such as BPD or maybe bipolar. The one who saw me super depressed should see the "manic" version of me. But again, it's hard to connect with therapists, like everyone, so I usually don't stay in it very long. Finding a BPD expert might be key.


I'd keep trying to find an Speech Therapist who understands you better.

I'm taking an acting class for this. I had one speech therapist who basically got me speaking even more oddly. Most don't admit there's anything wrong, but my friends say differently. lol. I think just imitating someone else's voice is better because I have a good memory for sound.

Do you eat enough protein each day? Do you eat a lot of sugar and junk food?

1. Yes (chicken or fish mostly); 2. almost none. I really think it's the vegetables and salicylates.

Eating the right diet is important as regards concentration

What did you have for breakfast?

Quote:
Gluten-free cereal and flax milk.


So you aren't really looking to make connections/friends on WP? why is that?

Not sure. I don't really fit in as aspie, but it's the best site of its kind I have at the moment. I'm both too unstable, too sociable, and too sociopathic all at once to fit in with a classic aspie. I tried dating one, and it was very hard not to be critical of virtually everything she did. Also, I kind of hate autism while most people here embrace it as an identity. Also probably too insecure and anxious, if that's even believable.

It sounds as if you aren't making yourself open enough to make connections or possibly don't even
want to make them as what you say seems a bit contradictory

My real life behavior is contradictory in the same way. This is one of my problems.

What do you mean by 'Not like other people here though' - do you mean you feel others make better or more
connections than you?

Probably. There are a lot of nerds in the aspie community, not all, but the majority. I am not one. The aspie community, like all communities, is a bad fit for me. I went to a social skills group for several months with several aspies, and it was even worse than it is on this site. I felt just as much like a different species as I do around NT's.

Do you take any medication and if so what is it?

No, I take 5-HTP, Choline, and a Piracetam extract for depression. These are just dietary supplements though, and most of these problems predated the piracetam extract, though choline could be causing some of the anger (since it reduces social anxiety, it could change "flight" to "fight"; I had a similar experience with Zoloft when I was on it).



Perhaps you need something stronger medication-wise to instigate mor control over your behaviour patterns etc

Either an anti-depressant or something people with Bipolar take

A mood stabilising medication and motivator


I tried Zoloft (for 4 months) and then tried Lexapro (for 1), and both really screwed up my life. Zoloft made people regard me as creepy. Lexapro sapped all my energy, flattened my affect, and in fact, these "bipolar" episodes got much worse starting then. I wonder if Lexapro could have caused them. I am definitely not going to do this again, but I would be open to finding a doctor who is willing to work with me on natural or homeopathic remedies.

Choline does as much for me anxiety-wise as Zoloft ever did, so I bet there are others, too, for the other problems. It is first necessary to get a diagnosis of AVPD, bipolar, BPD, or whatever it is.

I guess a nerd is someone who is primarily focused on intellectual pursuits and doesn't care about social stuff. I care a lot about both. If there was something I could do that would have a 50% chance of a complete cure and a 50% chance of death, I would probably take it. This sets me apart from most members. I care quite a bit about fitting in. If I was told that I could never fit in any better than I do now, I'd probably end my life immediately.



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I tried Zoloft (for 4 months) and then tried Lexapro (for 1), and both really screwed up my life. Zoloft made people regard me as creepy. Lexapro sapped all my energy, flattened my affect, and in fact, these "bipolar" episodes got much worse starting then. I wonder if Lexapro could have caused them. I am definitely not going to do this again, but I would be open to finding a doctor who is willing to work with me on natural or homeopathic remedies.

Choline does as much for me anxiety-wise as Zoloft ever did, so I bet there are others, too, for the other problems. It is first necessary to get a diagnosis of AVPD, bipolar, BPD, or whatever it is.

I guess a nerd is someone who is primarily focused on intellectual pursuits and doesn't care about social stuff. I care a lot about both. If there was something I could do that would have a 50% chance of a complete cure and a 50% chance of death, I would probably take it. This sets me apart from most members. I care quite a bit about fitting in. If I was told that I could never fit in any better than I do now, I'd probably end my life immediately.


I'm on a low dose of Efexor and the progesterone-only mini-pill

It seems to keep me more stable and buoyant in mood than taking nothing

There are a lot of different anti-depressant etc medications out there so you could keep trying different types
until you find something more effective

A lot of intellectuals are still very social - the two things aren't mutually exclusive

I've given up on fitting in and interact with the world on my terms now

Not fitting in isn't the end of the world and I'd say it's your desperation to fit in that is making you unhappy more
than the actual not fitting in



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17 Mar 2013, 11:36 am

I don't think it's possible to be a "part time Aspie" but I'm of the belief that we can move up and down on the spectrum at different times in our lives.



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17 Mar 2013, 1:19 pm

I don't think it's possible to be autistic part of the time NT another part. Sounds more like fluctuation in mood and confidence level affecting your self perception. It's also possible to outgrow obvious social symptoms of autism. In that case I'd concentrate more on the mood disorder.

I know for a fact that depression can cause your mental processing speed to slow and make it more difficult to interact socially. It does this to me too, only for me its pretty much my only state as I don't have manic or mixed states. That kind of thing is definitely depression, not aspergers/pdd-nos.



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17 Mar 2013, 5:17 pm

I think all Aspies should work on identifying any gifts that they have. Not only does this help confirm the diagnosis, but may help to avoid the depression that often results from all the effort one may need to make just to be "normal."



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I think all Aspies should work on identifying any gifts that they have. Not only does this help confirm the diagnosis, but may help to avoid the depression that often results from all the effort one may need to make just to be "normal."


Unfortunately, the only gifts I have (abstract reasoning ability, which is really, really high according to tests) require social skills together with them in order to be marketable. So I have chosen a profession where this skill is important, but unfortunately, normal social skills are required too.



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18 Mar 2013, 6:08 am

Yes, the ideal is to turn your gift into a marketable commodity--but in real life, it often doesn't turn out that way.

For instance, I know a garden consultant whose real passion is writing about horticultural history--but his passion can't possibly pay the bills.

You should work on using your gift on hobby activities, in order to develop it. Sort of like a good athlete who tries a couple different sports before deciding which one to make a career. And, when they choose a career, they don't always end up in their favorite sport. For instance, American football isn't that great of a career, if you can play Major League Baseball--just too many injuries, and a relatively unfavorable income situation, compared to MLB. More importantly, you need to plan for a long life--who knows what careers will be valuable in 10 or 20 years.