Super annoyed!
18 Mar 2013, 2:40 pm
bobbers wrote:
What I'm merely saying in that I see these different traits among the general population, not all the things I listed above for one person. Many NT's do have a lot of aspie traits, but not have the disorder. I'm annoyed at all the contradicting information about AS that is out there, and where is the line drawn from going on normal into AS? I believe the diagnostic criteria is way too broad making it hard to get a correct diagnose.....and if a person really has it how can they still fall through the diagnostic crack?
I do not agree that many NTs have Aspie traits at all. I think they have symptomoloy of things that seem similar, but they are not the same and are not caused by the same thing.
Autistic people have a different processing system to the typical neurological wiring. I don't think it is helpful to blur the boundaries quite so much.
But that's just my view. I am not saying it to be contrary.
I just feel that there is a massive distinction between the two brain systems, and a very real one that has very real consequences in real life. Serious ones.
Like being bullied to f**k if you are AS. That certainly proves the distinction is there, let me tell you.
However, that we can all influence our brain systems either by accident or deliberately, and experience different states, whether AS or NT, is of course true.
Maybe it's just my hang up because I do not feel NT and I do not see NTs dealing with full-blwon AS-specific limitations/problems, no matter what else they are indeed dealing with.
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18 Mar 2013, 5:09 pm
Cuckooflower wrote:
bobbers wrote:
What I'm merely saying in that I see these different traits among the general population, not all the things I listed above for one person. Many NT's do have a lot of aspie traits, but not have the disorder. I'm annoyed at all the contradicting information about AS that is out there, and where is the line drawn from going on normal into AS? I believe the diagnostic criteria is way too broad making it hard to get a correct diagnose.....and if a person really has it how can they still fall through the diagnostic crack?
I do not agree that many NTs have Aspie traits at all. I think they have symptomoloy of things that seem similar, but they are not the same and are not caused by the same thing.
Autistic people have a different processing system to the typical neurological wiring. I don't think it is helpful to blur the boundaries quite so much.
But that's just my view. I am not saying it to be contrary.
I just feel that there is a massive distinction between the two brain systems, and a very real one that has very real consequences in real life. Serious ones.
Like being bullied to f**k if you are AS. That certainly proves the distinction is there, let me tell you.
However, that we can all influence our brain systems either by accident or deliberately, and experience different states, whether AS or NT, is of course true.
Maybe it's just my hang up because I do not feel NT and I do not see NTs dealing with full-blwon AS-specific limitations/problems, no matter what else they are indeed dealing with.
I agree that NT don't have the same debilitating symptoms. But NT have obsessions too, I see it all the time. It may not be to the extent of AS obsessions, but it's there. I believe some NT's share traits with AS, but for a different reasons...as you said. As far a being bullied, people who are different in some way are susceptible to bullying not just AS. That could be because of a disability, shyness, the way they look, etc.
What I'm annoyed about is the contradictory info there is on AS. One thing say AS is a lack of empathy, another says AS is feeling too much....and the list goes on. I'm annoyed that happy obsessions seems to be only linked to AS, which I know isn't true. Living in a fantasy world is a symptom of AS? What about all the people with overactive imaginations, and people who need to escape very real abuse in life. Is that AS?
19 Mar 2013, 5:13 pm
bobbers wrote:
Cuckooflower wrote:
bobbers wrote:
What I'm merely saying in that I see these different traits among the general population, not all the things I listed above for one person. Many NT's do have a lot of aspie traits, but not have the disorder. I'm annoyed at all the contradicting information about AS that is out there, and where is the line drawn from going on normal into AS? I believe the diagnostic criteria is way too broad making it hard to get a correct diagnose.....and if a person really has it how can they still fall through the diagnostic crack?
I do not agree that many NTs have Aspie traits at all. I think they have symptomoloy of things that seem similar, but they are not the same and are not caused by the same thing.
Autistic people have a different processing system to the typical neurological wiring. I don't think it is helpful to blur the boundaries quite so much.
But that's just my view. I am not saying it to be contrary.
I just feel that there is a massive distinction between the two brain systems, and a very real one that has very real consequences in real life. Serious ones.
Like being bullied to f**k if you are AS. That certainly proves the distinction is there, let me tell you.
However, that we can all influence our brain systems either by accident or deliberately, and experience different states, whether AS or NT, is of course true.
Maybe it's just my hang up because I do not feel NT and I do not see NTs dealing with full-blwon AS-specific limitations/problems, no matter what else they are indeed dealing with.
I agree that NT don't have the same debilitating symptoms. But NT have obsessions too, I see it all the time. It may not be to the extent of AS obsessions, but it's there. I believe some NT's share traits with AS, but for a different reasons...as you said. As far a being bullied, people who are different in some way are susceptible to bullying not just AS. That could be because of a disability, shyness, the way they look, etc.
What I'm annoyed about is the contradictory info there is on AS. One thing say AS is a lack of empathy, another says AS is feeling too much....and the list goes on. I'm annoyed that happy obsessions seems to be only linked to AS, which I know isn't true. Living in a fantasy world is a symptom of AS? What about all the people with overactive imaginations, and people who need to escape very real abuse in life. Is that AS?
I think you are getting confused- Of course, all the problematic features of a certain AS feature can also be exhibited for totally different reasons and in a different way in anyone.
To use your example, take the obsessions thing:
I believe we Autistics have these as a way of soothing ourselves and making sense out of a confusing and intense world. It is also a way for us to communicate; I personally struggle to know how to relate to people (at times anyway) beyond the sharing and downloading of information. I also use sense of humour (which does seem to work quite well at times), and I repeat things I have heard said by other people in previous situations that seem appropriate for a situation I am in.
In terms of human beings having obsessions, of course NT people can have obsessions. But they are not in my view acquired in the same way and do not serve the same purpose.
That's just a brief way of explaining it.
I think you are getting confused by terminology. If you look beneath the naming of things, the way autistics behave is different to any number of same-named things in NT people.
Plus, regards empathy. I do personally subscribe to the Intense World Theory in autism. This says that the world is too painfully intense for us, and that we withdraw because of this. This fits with my personal experience very directly. Plus, I think we have a different kind of empathy. Personally, I cannot share-in the social, group-feeling a lot of NTs do. It leaves me cold, and I may not feel empathetic with people about certain things. However, I feel other people's emotions as if they are my own. If I see suffering in a film, I can start crying immediately, because I become the situation/person. NTs do not seem to have that.
I don't know all the ins and outs. It does seem that some men do lack empathy moreso than women on the spectrum. Certainly a trait in autism can be not seeing things from different viewpoints and not understanding that people see the world differently than you do.
It is a vast, vast spectrum, remember that.
Regards our brains being different; if you want my view, I think NTs pick up something about us below the obvious layer, it's instinctual, and then we get bullied as a result. You know how when women live together, their menstural cycles start to sync? Our bodies are communicating all the time, below what we are aware of.
I think NT brain systems pick up on our alienness, and their rigid group mentality encourages them to single us out and bully us.
Fits with my expereince anyway. I was severely assaulted when I was ten by a group of teenagers, for no very apparent reason. I can see now, it was because they saw my vulnerability and went for it.
I still have PTSD from just that incident, although that's probably one of the least horrible things that has happened to me in my life sadly! But that's why I resent the devaluation of the very clear differences there are between us and NT brain systems.
Hope some of that helps a bit.
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19 Mar 2013, 5:25 pm
Cuckooflower wrote:
bobbers wrote:
Cuckooflower wrote:
bobbers wrote:
What I'm merely saying in that I see these different traits among the general population, not all the things I listed above for one person. Many NT's do have a lot of aspie traits, but not have the disorder. I'm annoyed at all the contradicting information about AS that is out there, and where is the line drawn from going on normal into AS? I believe the diagnostic criteria is way too broad making it hard to get a correct diagnose.....and if a person really has it how can they still fall through the diagnostic crack?
I do not agree that many NTs have Aspie traits at all. I think they have symptomoloy of things that seem similar, but they are not the same and are not caused by the same thing.
Autistic people have a different processing system to the typical neurological wiring. I don't think it is helpful to blur the boundaries quite so much.
But that's just my view. I am not saying it to be contrary.
I just feel that there is a massive distinction between the two brain systems, and a very real one that has very real consequences in real life. Serious ones.
Like being bullied to f**k if you are AS. That certainly proves the distinction is there, let me tell you.
However, that we can all influence our brain systems either by accident or deliberately, and experience different states, whether AS or NT, is of course true.
Maybe it's just my hang up because I do not feel NT and I do not see NTs dealing with full-blwon AS-specific limitations/problems, no matter what else they are indeed dealing with.
I agree that NT don't have the same debilitating symptoms. But NT have obsessions too, I see it all the time. It may not be to the extent of AS obsessions, but it's there. I believe some NT's share traits with AS, but for a different reasons...as you said. As far a being bullied, people who are different in some way are susceptible to bullying not just AS. That could be because of a disability, shyness, the way they look, etc.
What I'm annoyed about is the contradictory info there is on AS. One thing say AS is a lack of empathy, another says AS is feeling too much....and the list goes on. I'm annoyed that happy obsessions seems to be only linked to AS, which I know isn't true. Living in a fantasy world is a symptom of AS? What about all the people with overactive imaginations, and people who need to escape very real abuse in life. Is that AS?
I think you are getting confused- Of course, all the problematic features of a certain AS feature can also be exhibited for totally different reasons and in a different way in anyone.
To use your example, take the obsessions thing:
I believe we Autistics have these as a way of soothing ourselves and making sense out of a confusing and intense world. It is also a way for us to communicate; I personally struggle to know how to relate to people (at times anyway) beyond the sharing and downloading of information. I also use sense of humour (which does seem to work quite well at times), and I repeat things I have heard said by other people in previous situations that seem appropriate for a situation I am in.
In terms of human beings having obsessions, of course NT people can have obsessions. But they are not in my view acquired in the same way and do not serve the same purpose.
That's just a brief way of explaining it.
I think you are getting confused by terminology. If you look beneath the naming of things, the way autistics behave is different to any number of same-named things in NT people.
Plus, regards empathy. I do personally subscribe to the Intense World Theory in autism. This says that the world is too painfully intense for us, and that we withdraw because of this. This fits with my personal experience very directly. Plus, I think we have a different kind of empathy. Personally, I cannot share-in the social, group-feeling a lot of NTs do. It leaves me cold, and I may not feel empathetic with people about certain things. However, I feel other people's emotions as if they are my own. If I see suffering in a film, I can start crying immediately, because I become the situation/person. NTs do not seem to have that.
I don't know all the ins and outs. It does seem that some men do lack empathy moreso than women on the spectrum. Certainly a trait in autism can be not seeing things from different viewpoints and not understanding that people see the world differently than you do.
It is a vast, vast spectrum, remember that.
Regards our brains being different; if you want my view, I think NTs pick up something about us below the obvious layer, it's instinctual, and then we get bullied as a result. You know how when women live together, their menstural cycles start to sync? Our bodies are communicating all the time, below what we are aware of.
I think NT brain systems pick up on our alienness, and their rigid group mentality encourages them to single us out and bully us.
Fits with my expereince anyway. I was severely assaulted when I was ten by a group of teenagers, for no very apparent reason. I can see now, it was because they saw my vulnerability and went for it.
I still have PTSD from just that incident, although that's probably one of the least horrible things that has happened to me in my life sadly! But that's why I resent the devaluation of the very clear differences there are between us and NT brain systems.
Hope some of that helps a bit.
I see it almost like being two different species and that people with NT type brains see autistic people as 'the enemy' or not a member of their tribe
Some do this more instinctively than others
the vibe many of them give me is unmistakeable though - I reckon I'd be more than dead if we didn't live in a civilised society
I'd be dead meat and I know it!
19 Mar 2013, 6:32 pm
Cuckooflower wrote:
bobbers wrote:
Cuckooflower wrote:
bobbers wrote:
What I'm merely saying in that I see these different traits among the general population, not all the things I listed above for one person. Many NT's do have a lot of aspie traits, but not have the disorder. I'm annoyed at all the contradicting information about AS that is out there, and where is the line drawn from going on normal into AS? I believe the diagnostic criteria is way too broad making it hard to get a correct diagnose.....and if a person really has it how can they still fall through the diagnostic crack?
I do not agree that many NTs have Aspie traits at all. I think they have symptomoloy of things that seem similar, but they are not the same and are not caused by the same thing.
Autistic people have a different processing system to the typical neurological wiring. I don't think it is helpful to blur the boundaries quite so much.
But that's just my view. I am not saying it to be contrary.
I just feel that there is a massive distinction between the two brain systems, and a very real one that has very real consequences in real life. Serious ones.
Like being bullied to f**k if you are AS. That certainly proves the distinction is there, let me tell you.
However, that we can all influence our brain systems either by accident or deliberately, and experience different states, whether AS or NT, is of course true.
Maybe it's just my hang up because I do not feel NT and I do not see NTs dealing with full-blwon AS-specific limitations/problems, no matter what else they are indeed dealing with.
I agree that NT don't have the same debilitating symptoms. But NT have obsessions too, I see it all the time. It may not be to the extent of AS obsessions, but it's there. I believe some NT's share traits with AS, but for a different reasons...as you said. As far a being bullied, people who are different in some way are susceptible to bullying not just AS. That could be because of a disability, shyness, the way they look, etc.
What I'm annoyed about is the contradictory info there is on AS. One thing say AS is a lack of empathy, another says AS is feeling too much....and the list goes on. I'm annoyed that happy obsessions seems to be only linked to AS, which I know isn't true. Living in a fantasy world is a symptom of AS? What about all the people with overactive imaginations, and people who need to escape very real abuse in life. Is that AS?
I think you are getting confused- Of course, all the problematic features of a certain AS feature can also be exhibited for totally different reasons and in a different way in anyone.
To use your example, take the obsessions thing:
I believe we Autistics have these as a way of soothing ourselves and making sense out of a confusing and intense world. It is also a way for us to communicate; I personally struggle to know how to relate to people (at times anyway) beyond the sharing and downloading of information. I also use sense of humour (which does seem to work quite well at times), and I repeat things I have heard said by other people in previous situations that seem appropriate for a situation I am in.
In terms of human beings having obsessions, of course NT people can have obsessions. But they are not in my view acquired in the same way and do not serve the same purpose.
That's just a brief way of explaining it.
I think you are getting confused by terminology. If you look beneath the naming of things, the way autistics behave is different to any number of same-named things in NT people.
Plus, regards empathy. I do personally subscribe to the Intense World Theory in autism. This says that the world is too painfully intense for us, and that we withdraw because of this. This fits with my personal experience very directly. Plus, I think we have a different kind of empathy. Personally, I cannot share-in the social, group-feeling a lot of NTs do. It leaves me cold, and I may not feel empathetic with people about certain things. However, I feel other people's emotions as if they are my own. If I see suffering in a film, I can start crying immediately, because I become the situation/person. NTs do not seem to have that.
I don't know all the ins and outs. It does seem that some men do lack empathy moreso than women on the spectrum. Certainly a trait in autism can be not seeing things from different viewpoints and not understanding that people see the world differently than you do.
It is a vast, vast spectrum, remember that.
Regards our brains being different; if you want my view, I think NTs pick up something about us below the obvious layer, it's instinctual, and then we get bullied as a result. You know how when women live together, their menstural cycles start to sync? Our bodies are communicating all the time, below what we are aware of.
I think NT brain systems pick up on our alienness, and their rigid group mentality encourages them to single us out and bully us.
Fits with my expereince anyway. I was severely assaulted when I was ten by a group of teenagers, for no very apparent reason. I can see now, it was because they saw my vulnerability and went for it.
I still have PTSD from just that incident, although that's probably one of the least horrible things that has happened to me in my life sadly! But that's why I resent the devaluation of the very clear differences there are between us and NT brain systems.
Hope some of that helps a bit.
I understand all that....I'm not confused. All I've been saying is that the so called autism traits can be caused by a number of thing besides AS....as you said. I myself was bullied in school because I was hard of hearing, and they knew that....I was only seen as different because of that. I have obsessions, but they don't disrupt my life and they aren't anxiety reducing. I go into a fantasy world, but it's not to escape my reality...it's just something I like to imagine. I too have repeated what others have said in different settings in a new setting, but it was because I thought of them as well excepted and it seem that no matter what they said people liked them, and I thought if I said it too people would like me. Being hard of hearing as a child caused my to be insecure about myself, and I was afraid to be myself. I feel involved when watching TV and movies, like I'm there and I cry at sad scenes....so do a lot of women I know. I don't think that an autism thing. I am an ISFP personality type, and for us we tend to be extremely caring, sympathetic, and we are in-tuned to our environment, and know when things have changed. I remember details about people, and I listen to song on repeat..because they fit my current mood. I have had obsessions about people....not like stalk them or call them all the time, but from far....like I wanted to be their friend or know them better, because they seemed to have a better life than me. I have OCD/anxiety disorder....possibly genetic, and as a result of growing up in an abusive home and with a AS brother.
DOES IT SEEM TO YOU THAT I'M AUTISTIC???? Because I share traits, because they only thing that disrupts my life is OCD. I don't do things like hand flapping, or any kind of stimming. I make appropriate eye contact, and I'm good at conservation, even though I may be shy at first. I'm been told on numerous occasions that I have an awesome sense of humor, and I don't freak out if people give me a hug. Routines bore me, I like to do things whenever, and changing plans doesn't upset me.
I've only been trying to say this whole time is that they need to clean up the diagnostic criteria a bit, because some of the traits are not simply AS. You don't have to agree with me...that's just how I feel, and I think that AS is over diagnosed like ADHD is.
19 Mar 2013, 9:51 pm
I understand all that....I'm not confused. All I've been saying is that the so called autism traits can be caused by a number of thing besides AS....as you said. I myself was bullied in school because I was hard of hearing, and they knew that....I was only seen as different because of that. I have obsessions, but they don't disrupt my life and they aren't anxiety reducing. I go into a fantasy world, but it's not to escape my reality...it's just something I like to imagine. I too have repeated what others have said in different settings in a new setting, but it was because I thought of them as well excepted and it seem that no matter what they said people liked them, and I thought if I said it too people would like me. Being hard of hearing as a child caused my to be insecure about myself, and I was afraid to be myself. I feel involved when watching TV and movies, like I'm there and I cry at sad scenes....so do a lot of women I know. I don't think that an autism thing. I am an ISFP personality type, and for us we tend to be extremely caring, sympathetic, and we are in-tuned to our environment, and know when things have changed. I remember details about people, and I listen to song on repeat..because they fit my current mood. I have had obsessions about people....not like stalk them or call them all the time, but from far....like I wanted to be their friend or know them better, because they seemed to have a better life than me. I have OCD/anxiety disorder....possibly genetic, and as a result of growing up in an abusive home and with a AS brother.
DOES IT SEEM TO YOU THAT I'M AUTISTIC???? Because I share traits, because they only thing that disrupts my life is OCD. I don't do things like hand flapping, or any kind of stimming. I make appropriate eye contact, and I'm good at conservation, even though I may be shy at first. I'm been told on numerous occasions that I have an awesome sense of humor, and I don't freak out if people give me a hug. Routines bore me, I like to do things whenever, and changing plans doesn't upset me.
I've only been trying to say this whole time is that they need to clean up the diagnostic criteria a bit, because some of the traits are not simply AS. You don't have to agree with me...that's just how I feel, and I think that AS is over diagnosed like ADHD is.
Okay, I get what you're asking now, I had not realised it was quite so personal an enquiry.
I have OCD as well by the way, I've had it severely since I was child, and it is debilitating and horrible. I too grew up in a very anxious/abusive family environment, which definitely triggered my OCD to start young and made it worse, so I sympathise.
The fact that you don't like routines is interesting. I am completely restricted by my need for routine, so that is a big difference.
When I said the thing about crying at films, I was more trying to illustrate that I personally experience empathy as a type of ''becoming'' the person who is in pain, rather than really sharing in it or understanding necessarily in a social sense. To me, the nature of this is a part of my autism; I merely used the film thing as an example. I do not think that to cry at films makes you autistic. I was not trying to suggest that at all.
I would say you are right, someone can be too easily labelled ''Aspergers'' when they may merely be floating about somewhere on the spectrum, with some prominent traits and many normal features alongside that.
You have no need to label yourself Aspergers or autistic or to be pressured. Just as many people do not get a diagnosis who really and truly deserve and need one, so too can you dismiss it if you feel you have been diagnosed unfairly or too hastily. Health care professionals are not Gods.
My considered GUESS would be that you are slightly on the spectrum but not as badly as your brother. The fact you have an AS brother means it's in the gene pool. Someone can have ''traits'' without it being a full-blown condition, in my view.
I do however think OCD falls on the spectrum and is a neurological problem in the same ''family'' as autism etc., the same way tourettes is.
My sensory issues are very severe. People's sensory issues differ as well.
Like I said, it's a vast spectrum. I have quite a huge dose of it unfortunately because it is both sides of my family quite abundantly (although my other two siblings have not been affected for some reason).
I would advise you to relax about it, and not take up the label if you don't feel right about it. But internally, for yourself, I would say just be open, curious and kind to yourself and accept yourself with the features you have and also the normal aspects.
It is good you are not restricted by the need for routine and also have appropriate eye contact. These two things are a problem for so many of us, and it is not easy.
So I would say to you, please feel good about those things and draw on those strengths, rather than get too upset about the limitations and diagnostic criteria.
Just as it may well be too easily diagnosed, so too is it not diagnosed often and accurately enough, particularly in women. So there is a long fight to be had in the understanding of autism in many respects.
I would say just focus on getting help for your OCD if that is the most problematic thing for you subjectively anyway.
Hope that helps a bit.
Cf
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19 Mar 2013, 10:18 pm
Cuckooflower wrote:
I understand all that....I'm not confused. All I've been saying is that the so called autism traits can be caused by a number of thing besides AS....as you said. I myself was bullied in school because I was hard of hearing, and they knew that....I was only seen as different because of that. I have obsessions, but they don't disrupt my life and they aren't anxiety reducing. I go into a fantasy world, but it's not to escape my reality...it's just something I like to imagine. I too have repeated what others have said in different settings in a new setting, but it was because I thought of them as well excepted and it seem that no matter what they said people liked them, and I thought if I said it too people would like me. Being hard of hearing as a child caused my to be insecure about myself, and I was afraid to be myself. I feel involved when watching TV and movies, like I'm there and I cry at sad scenes....so do a lot of women I know. I don't think that an autism thing. I am an ISFP personality type, and for us we tend to be extremely caring, sympathetic, and we are in-tuned to our environment, and know when things have changed. I remember details about people, and I listen to song on repeat..because they fit my current mood. I have had obsessions about people....not like stalk them or call them all the time, but from far....like I wanted to be their friend or know them better, because they seemed to have a better life than me. I have OCD/anxiety disorder....possibly genetic, and as a result of growing up in an abusive home and with a AS brother.
DOES IT SEEM TO YOU THAT I'M AUTISTIC???? Because I share traits, because they only thing that disrupts my life is OCD. I don't do things like hand flapping, or any kind of stimming. I make appropriate eye contact, and I'm good at conservation, even though I may be shy at first. I'm been told on numerous occasions that I have an awesome sense of humor, and I don't freak out if people give me a hug. Routines bore me, I like to do things whenever, and changing plans doesn't upset me.
I've only been trying to say this whole time is that they need to clean up the diagnostic criteria a bit, because some of the traits are not simply AS. You don't have to agree with me...that's just how I feel, and I think that AS is over diagnosed like ADHD is.
Okay, I get what you're asking now, I had not realised it was quite so personal an enquiry.
I have OCD as well by the way, I've had it severely since I was child, and it is debilitating and horrible. I too grew up in a very anxious/abusive family environment, which definitely triggered my OCD to start young and made it worse, so I sympathise.
The fact that you don't like routines is interesting. I am completely restricted by my need for routine, so that is a big difference.
When I said the thing about crying at films, I was more trying to illustrate that I personally experience empathy as a type of ''becoming'' the person who is in pain, rather than really sharing in it or understanding necessarily in a social sense. To me, the nature of this is a part of my autism; I merely used the film thing as an example. I do not think that to cry at films makes you autistic. I was not trying to suggest that at all.
I would say you are right, someone can be too easily labelled ''Aspergers'' when they may merely be floating about somewhere on the spectrum, with some prominent traits and many normal features alongside that.
You have no need to label yourself Aspergers or autistic or to be pressured. Just as many people do not get a diagnosis who really and truly deserve and need one, so too can you dismiss it if you feel you have been diagnosed unfairly or too hastily. Health care professionals are not Gods.
My considered GUESS would be that you are slightly on the spectrum but not as badly as your brother. The fact you have an AS brother means it's in the gene pool. Someone can have ''traits'' without it being a full-blown condition, in my view.
I do however think OCD falls on the spectrum and is a neurological problem in the same ''family'' as autism etc., the same way tourettes is.
My sensory issues are very severe. People's sensory issues differ as well.
Like I said, it's a vast spectrum. I have quite a huge dose of it unfortunately because it is both sides of my family quite abundantly (although my other two siblings have not been affected for some reason).
I would advise you to relax about it, and not take up the label if you don't feel right about it. But internally, for yourself, I would say just be open, curious and kind to yourself and accept yourself with the features you have and also the normal aspects.
It is good you are not restricted by the need for routine and also have appropriate eye contact. These two things are a problem for so many of us, and it is not easy.
So I would say to you, please feel good about those things and draw on those strengths, rather than get too upset about the limitations and diagnostic criteria.
Just as it may well be too easily diagnosed, so too is it not diagnosed often and accurately enough, particularly in women. So there is a long fight to be had in the understanding of autism in many respects.
I would say just focus on getting help for your OCD if that is the most problematic thing for you subjectively anyway.
Hope that helps a bit.
Cf
DOES IT SEEM TO YOU THAT I'M AUTISTIC???? Because I share traits, because they only thing that disrupts my life is OCD. I don't do things like hand flapping, or any kind of stimming. I make appropriate eye contact, and I'm good at conservation, even though I may be shy at first. I'm been told on numerous occasions that I have an awesome sense of humor, and I don't freak out if people give me a hug. Routines bore me, I like to do things whenever, and changing plans doesn't upset me.
I've only been trying to say this whole time is that they need to clean up the diagnostic criteria a bit, because some of the traits are not simply AS. You don't have to agree with me...that's just how I feel, and I think that AS is over diagnosed like ADHD is.
Okay, I get what you're asking now, I had not realised it was quite so personal an enquiry.
I have OCD as well by the way, I've had it severely since I was child, and it is debilitating and horrible. I too grew up in a very anxious/abusive family environment, which definitely triggered my OCD to start young and made it worse, so I sympathise.
The fact that you don't like routines is interesting. I am completely restricted by my need for routine, so that is a big difference.
When I said the thing about crying at films, I was more trying to illustrate that I personally experience empathy as a type of ''becoming'' the person who is in pain, rather than really sharing in it or understanding necessarily in a social sense. To me, the nature of this is a part of my autism; I merely used the film thing as an example. I do not think that to cry at films makes you autistic. I was not trying to suggest that at all.
I would say you are right, someone can be too easily labelled ''Aspergers'' when they may merely be floating about somewhere on the spectrum, with some prominent traits and many normal features alongside that.
You have no need to label yourself Aspergers or autistic or to be pressured. Just as many people do not get a diagnosis who really and truly deserve and need one, so too can you dismiss it if you feel you have been diagnosed unfairly or too hastily. Health care professionals are not Gods.
My considered GUESS would be that you are slightly on the spectrum but not as badly as your brother. The fact you have an AS brother means it's in the gene pool. Someone can have ''traits'' without it being a full-blown condition, in my view.
I do however think OCD falls on the spectrum and is a neurological problem in the same ''family'' as autism etc., the same way tourettes is.
My sensory issues are very severe. People's sensory issues differ as well.
Like I said, it's a vast spectrum. I have quite a huge dose of it unfortunately because it is both sides of my family quite abundantly (although my other two siblings have not been affected for some reason).
I would advise you to relax about it, and not take up the label if you don't feel right about it. But internally, for yourself, I would say just be open, curious and kind to yourself and accept yourself with the features you have and also the normal aspects.
It is good you are not restricted by the need for routine and also have appropriate eye contact. These two things are a problem for so many of us, and it is not easy.
So I would say to you, please feel good about those things and draw on those strengths, rather than get too upset about the limitations and diagnostic criteria.
Just as it may well be too easily diagnosed, so too is it not diagnosed often and accurately enough, particularly in women. So there is a long fight to be had in the understanding of autism in many respects.
I would say just focus on getting help for your OCD if that is the most problematic thing for you subjectively anyway.
Hope that helps a bit.
Cf
Well, I'm almost positive I'm not on the spectrum because my issues stem from other things, and meds eliminate my anxiety almost altogether....and the more and more people I talk to that I know, the more and more I realize they are just like me in that they have similar problems. I never felt different from others. I scored NT on all the tests, including BAP...I know its not an official diagnoses, but I think they are pretty good. Don't people who score AS on the tests sometimes not even have AS at all? I don't have sensory issues in any sense....I had no idea about sensory processing disorders were until I read up on aspergers. My OCD is mild. I like being around people, and I don't get so strongly absorbed into things that I lose sight of everything else. My hearing loss as a kid really had a negative effect on me, and hearing loss causes one to have much anxiety because we miss so many things. As for my brother, he is mild....and I am in no way like him. I read facial expressions well, and know when people are lying. I pick up on weird traits that people have. What you said about feeling like you the person in the movie....it's called living vicarously through someone else...which is common and normal thing to do....it's putting yourself in some else's shoes..sympathizing and feeling their pain.
20 Mar 2013, 8:55 am
bobbers wrote:
Cuckooflower wrote:
I understand all that....I'm not confused. All I've been saying is that the so called autism traits can be caused by a number of thing besides AS....as you said. I myself was bullied in school because I was hard of hearing, and they knew that....I was only seen as different because of that. I have obsessions, but they don't disrupt my life and they aren't anxiety reducing. I go into a fantasy world, but it's not to escape my reality...it's just something I like to imagine. I too have repeated what others have said in different settings in a new setting, but it was because I thought of them as well excepted and it seem that no matter what they said people liked them, and I thought if I said it too people would like me. Being hard of hearing as a child caused my to be insecure about myself, and I was afraid to be myself. I feel involved when watching TV and movies, like I'm there and I cry at sad scenes....so do a lot of women I know. I don't think that an autism thing. I am an ISFP personality type, and for us we tend to be extremely caring, sympathetic, and we are in-tuned to our environment, and know when things have changed. I remember details about people, and I listen to song on repeat..because they fit my current mood. I have had obsessions about people....not like stalk them or call them all the time, but from far....like I wanted to be their friend or know them better, because they seemed to have a better life than me. I have OCD/anxiety disorder....possibly genetic, and as a result of growing up in an abusive home and with a AS brother.
DOES IT SEEM TO YOU THAT I'M AUTISTIC???? Because I share traits, because they only thing that disrupts my life is OCD. I don't do things like hand flapping, or any kind of stimming. I make appropriate eye contact, and I'm good at conservation, even though I may be shy at first. I'm been told on numerous occasions that I have an awesome sense of humor, and I don't freak out if people give me a hug. Routines bore me, I like to do things whenever, and changing plans doesn't upset me.
I've only been trying to say this whole time is that they need to clean up the diagnostic criteria a bit, because some of the traits are not simply AS. You don't have to agree with me...that's just how I feel, and I think that AS is over diagnosed like ADHD is.
Okay, I get what you're asking now, I had not realised it was quite so personal an enquiry.
I have OCD as well by the way, I've had it severely since I was child, and it is debilitating and horrible. I too grew up in a very anxious/abusive family environment, which definitely triggered my OCD to start young and made it worse, so I sympathise.
The fact that you don't like routines is interesting. I am completely restricted by my need for routine, so that is a big difference.
When I said the thing about crying at films, I was more trying to illustrate that I personally experience empathy as a type of ''becoming'' the person who is in pain, rather than really sharing in it or understanding necessarily in a social sense. To me, the nature of this is a part of my autism; I merely used the film thing as an example. I do not think that to cry at films makes you autistic. I was not trying to suggest that at all.
I would say you are right, someone can be too easily labelled ''Aspergers'' when they may merely be floating about somewhere on the spectrum, with some prominent traits and many normal features alongside that.
You have no need to label yourself Aspergers or autistic or to be pressured. Just as many people do not get a diagnosis who really and truly deserve and need one, so too can you dismiss it if you feel you have been diagnosed unfairly or too hastily. Health care professionals are not Gods.
My considered GUESS would be that you are slightly on the spectrum but not as badly as your brother. The fact you have an AS brother means it's in the gene pool. Someone can have ''traits'' without it being a full-blown condition, in my view.
I do however think OCD falls on the spectrum and is a neurological problem in the same ''family'' as autism etc., the same way tourettes is.
My sensory issues are very severe. People's sensory issues differ as well.
Like I said, it's a vast spectrum. I have quite a huge dose of it unfortunately because it is both sides of my family quite abundantly (although my other two siblings have not been affected for some reason).
I would advise you to relax about it, and not take up the label if you don't feel right about it. But internally, for yourself, I would say just be open, curious and kind to yourself and accept yourself with the features you have and also the normal aspects.
It is good you are not restricted by the need for routine and also have appropriate eye contact. These two things are a problem for so many of us, and it is not easy.
So I would say to you, please feel good about those things and draw on those strengths, rather than get too upset about the limitations and diagnostic criteria.
Just as it may well be too easily diagnosed, so too is it not diagnosed often and accurately enough, particularly in women. So there is a long fight to be had in the understanding of autism in many respects.
I would say just focus on getting help for your OCD if that is the most problematic thing for you subjectively anyway.
Hope that helps a bit.
Cf
DOES IT SEEM TO YOU THAT I'M AUTISTIC???? Because I share traits, because they only thing that disrupts my life is OCD. I don't do things like hand flapping, or any kind of stimming. I make appropriate eye contact, and I'm good at conservation, even though I may be shy at first. I'm been told on numerous occasions that I have an awesome sense of humor, and I don't freak out if people give me a hug. Routines bore me, I like to do things whenever, and changing plans doesn't upset me.
I've only been trying to say this whole time is that they need to clean up the diagnostic criteria a bit, because some of the traits are not simply AS. You don't have to agree with me...that's just how I feel, and I think that AS is over diagnosed like ADHD is.
Okay, I get what you're asking now, I had not realised it was quite so personal an enquiry.
I have OCD as well by the way, I've had it severely since I was child, and it is debilitating and horrible. I too grew up in a very anxious/abusive family environment, which definitely triggered my OCD to start young and made it worse, so I sympathise.
The fact that you don't like routines is interesting. I am completely restricted by my need for routine, so that is a big difference.
When I said the thing about crying at films, I was more trying to illustrate that I personally experience empathy as a type of ''becoming'' the person who is in pain, rather than really sharing in it or understanding necessarily in a social sense. To me, the nature of this is a part of my autism; I merely used the film thing as an example. I do not think that to cry at films makes you autistic. I was not trying to suggest that at all.
I would say you are right, someone can be too easily labelled ''Aspergers'' when they may merely be floating about somewhere on the spectrum, with some prominent traits and many normal features alongside that.
You have no need to label yourself Aspergers or autistic or to be pressured. Just as many people do not get a diagnosis who really and truly deserve and need one, so too can you dismiss it if you feel you have been diagnosed unfairly or too hastily. Health care professionals are not Gods.
My considered GUESS would be that you are slightly on the spectrum but not as badly as your brother. The fact you have an AS brother means it's in the gene pool. Someone can have ''traits'' without it being a full-blown condition, in my view.
I do however think OCD falls on the spectrum and is a neurological problem in the same ''family'' as autism etc., the same way tourettes is.
My sensory issues are very severe. People's sensory issues differ as well.
Like I said, it's a vast spectrum. I have quite a huge dose of it unfortunately because it is both sides of my family quite abundantly (although my other two siblings have not been affected for some reason).
I would advise you to relax about it, and not take up the label if you don't feel right about it. But internally, for yourself, I would say just be open, curious and kind to yourself and accept yourself with the features you have and also the normal aspects.
It is good you are not restricted by the need for routine and also have appropriate eye contact. These two things are a problem for so many of us, and it is not easy.
So I would say to you, please feel good about those things and draw on those strengths, rather than get too upset about the limitations and diagnostic criteria.
Just as it may well be too easily diagnosed, so too is it not diagnosed often and accurately enough, particularly in women. So there is a long fight to be had in the understanding of autism in many respects.
I would say just focus on getting help for your OCD if that is the most problematic thing for you subjectively anyway.
Hope that helps a bit.
Cf
Well, I'm almost positive I'm not on the spectrum because my issues stem from other things, and meds eliminate my anxiety almost altogether....and the more and more people I talk to that I know, the more and more I realize they are just like me in that they have similar problems. I never felt different from others. I scored NT on all the tests, including BAP...I know its not an official diagnoses, but I think they are pretty good. Don't people who score AS on the tests sometimes not even have AS at all? I don't have sensory issues in any sense....I had no idea about sensory processing disorders were until I read up on aspergers. My OCD is mild. I like being around people, and I don't get so strongly absorbed into things that I lose sight of everything else. My hearing loss as a kid really had a negative effect on me, and hearing loss causes one to have much anxiety because we miss so many things. As for my brother, he is mild....and I am in no way like him. I read facial expressions well, and know when people are lying. I pick up on weird traits that people have. What you said about feeling like you the person in the movie....it's called living vicarously through someone else...which is common and normal thing to do....it's putting yourself in some else's shoes..sympathizing and feeling their pain.
Well okay. Then you're not on the spectrum. Sounds like that is the truth.
I'm not attacking you, I've tried quite hard to listen to you and answer your questions really thoughtfully. The tone in each of your replies back has been defensive, which I don't like.
No one here is accusing you of being autistic.
You are also taking exception to things I say which have been put forth very sympathetically on my part. Please just relax.
But you are beginning to upset me because you are saying things that make it sound like autism is trivial and not a real, tangible condition, which it sure as hell is.
Why are you on WrongPlanet if you're not autistic?
If you're not AS, then that's good and you can relax now, and stop worrying about it.
What more can be said to satisfy whatever it is that you are still worked up about? If you're not AS, you're not AS, and that's the end of it. Who on earth is it you need to prove yourself to?
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Last edited by Cuckooflower on 20 Mar 2013, 5:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.
20 Mar 2013, 3:51 pm
Cuckooflower wrote:
bobbers wrote:
Cuckooflower wrote:
I understand all that....I'm not confused. All I've been saying is that the so called autism traits can be caused by a number of thing besides AS....as you said. I myself was bullied in school because I was hard of hearing, and they knew that....I was only seen as different because of that. I have obsessions, but they don't disrupt my life and they aren't anxiety reducing. I go into a fantasy world, but it's not to escape my reality...it's just something I like to imagine. I too have repeated what others have sa. in different settings in a new setting, but it was because I thought of them as well excepted and it seem that no matter what they said people liked them, and I thought if I said it too people would like me. Being hard of hearing as a child caused my to be insecure about myself, and I was afraid to be myself. I feel involved when watching TV and movies, like I'm there and I cry at sad scenes....so do a lot of women I know. I don't think that an autism thing. I am an ISFP personality type, and for us we tend to be extremely caring, sympathetic, and we are in-tuned to our environment, and know when things have changed. I remember details about people, and I listen to song on repeat..because they fit my current mood. I have had obsessions about people....not like stalk them or call them all the time, but from far....like I wanted to be their friend or know them better, because they seemed to have a better life than me. I have OCD/anxiety disorder....possibly genetic, and as a result of growing up in an abusive home and with a AS brother.
DOES IT SEEM TO YOU THAT I'M AUTISTIC???? Because I share traits, because they only thing that disrupts my life is OCD. I don't do things like hand flapping, or any kind of stimming. I make appropriate eye contact, and I'm good at conservation, even though I may be shy at first. I'm been told on numerous occasions that I have an awesome sense of humor, and I don't freak out if people give me a hug. Routines bore me, I like to do things whenever, and changing plans doesn't upset me.
I've only been trying to say this whole time is that they need to clean up the diagnostic criteria a bit, because some of the traits are not simply AS. You don't have to agree with me...that's just how I feel, and I think that AS is over diagnosed like ADHD is.
Okay, I get what you're asking now, I had not realised it was quite so personal an enquiry.
I have OCD as well by the way, I've had it severely since I was child, and it is debilitating and horrible. I too grew up in a very anxious/abusive family environment, which definitely triggered my OCD to start young and made it worse, so I sympathise.
The fact that you don't like routines is interesting. I am completely restricted by my need for routine, so that is a big difference.
When I said the thing about crying at films, I was more trying to illustrate that I personally experience empathy as a type of ''becoming'' the person who is in pain, rather than really sharing in it or understanding necessarily in a social sense. To me, the nature of this is a part of my autism; I merely used the film thing as an example. I do not think that to cry at films makes you autistic. I was not trying to suggest that at all.
I would say you are right, someone can be too easily labelled ''Aspergers'' when they may merely be floating about somewhere on the spectrum, with some prominent traits and many normal features alongside that.
You have no need to label yourself Aspergers or autistic or to be pressured. Just as many people do not get a diagnosis who really and truly deserve and need one, so too can you dismiss it if you feel you have been diagnosed unfairly or too hastily. Health care professionals are not Gods.
My considered GUESS would be that you are slightly on the spectrum but not as badly as your brother. The fact you have an AS brother means it's in the gene pool. Someone can have ''traits'' without it being a full-blown condition, in my view.
I do however think OCD falls on the spectrum and is a neurological problem in the same ''family'' as autism etc., the same way tourettes is.
My sensory issues are very severe. People's sensory issues differ as well.
Like I said, it's a vast spectrum. I have quite a huge dose of it unfortunately because it is both sides of my family quite abundantly (although my other two siblings have not been affected for some reason).
I would advise you to relax about it, and not take up the label if you don't feel right about it. But internally, for yourself, I would say just be open, curious and kind to yourself and accept yourself with the features you have and also the normal aspects.
It is good you are not restricted by the need for routine and also have appropriate eye contact. These two things are a problem for so many of us, and it is not easy.
So I would say to you, please feel good about those things and draw on those strengths, rather than get too upset about the limitations and diagnostic criteria.
Just as it may well be too easily diagnosed, so too is it not diagnosed often and accurately enough, particularly in women. So there is a long fight to be had in the understanding of autism in many respects.
I would say just focus on getting help for your OCD if that is the most problematic thing for you subjectively anyway.
Hope that helps a bit.
Cf
DOES IT SEEM TO YOU THAT I'M AUTISTIC???? Because I share traits, because they only thing that disrupts my life is OCD. I don't do things like hand flapping, or any kind of stimming. I make appropriate eye contact, and I'm good at conservation, even though I may be shy at first. I'm been told on numerous occasions that I have an awesome sense of humor, and I don't freak out if people give me a hug. Routines bore me, I like to do things whenever, and changing plans doesn't upset me.
I've only been trying to say this whole time is that they need to clean up the diagnostic criteria a bit, because some of the traits are not simply AS. You don't have to agree with me...that's just how I feel, and I think that AS is over diagnosed like ADHD is.
Okay, I get what you're asking now, I had not realised it was quite so personal an enquiry.
I have OCD as well by the way, I've had it severely since I was child, and it is debilitating and horrible. I too grew up in a very anxious/abusive family environment, which definitely triggered my OCD to start young and made it worse, so I sympathise.
The fact that you don't like routines is interesting. I am completely restricted by my need for routine, so that is a big difference.
When I said the thing about crying at films, I was more trying to illustrate that I personally experience empathy as a type of ''becoming'' the person who is in pain, rather than really sharing in it or understanding necessarily in a social sense. To me, the nature of this is a part of my autism; I merely used the film thing as an example. I do not think that to cry at films makes you autistic. I was not trying to suggest that at all.
I would say you are right, someone can be too easily labelled ''Aspergers'' when they may merely be floating about somewhere on the spectrum, with some prominent traits and many normal features alongside that.
You have no need to label yourself Aspergers or autistic or to be pressured. Just as many people do not get a diagnosis who really and truly deserve and need one, so too can you dismiss it if you feel you have been diagnosed unfairly or too hastily. Health care professionals are not Gods.
My considered GUESS would be that you are slightly on the spectrum but not as badly as your brother. The fact you have an AS brother means it's in the gene pool. Someone can have ''traits'' without it being a full-blown condition, in my view.
I do however think OCD falls on the spectrum and is a neurological problem in the same ''family'' as autism etc., the same way tourettes is.
My sensory issues are very severe. People's sensory issues differ as well.
Like I said, it's a vast spectrum. I have quite a huge dose of it unfortunately because it is both sides of my family quite abundantly (although my other two siblings have not been affected for some reason).
I would advise you to relax about it, and not take up the label if you don't feel right about it. But internally, for yourself, I would say just be open, curious and kind to yourself and accept yourself with the features you have and also the normal aspects.
It is good you are not restricted by the need for routine and also have appropriate eye contact. These two things are a problem for so many of us, and it is not easy.
So I would say to you, please feel good about those things and draw on those strengths, rather than get too upset about the limitations and diagnostic criteria.
Just as it may well be too easily diagnosed, so too is it not diagnosed often and accurately enough, particularly in women. So there is a long fight to be had in the understanding of autism in many respects.
I would say just focus on getting help for your OCD if that is the most problematic thing for you subjectively anyway.
Hope that helps a bit.
Cf
Well, I'm almost positive I'm not on the spectrum because my issues stem from other things, and meds eliminate my anxiety almost altogether....and the more and more people I talk to that I know, the more and more I realize they are just like me in that they have similar problems. I never felt different from others. I scored NT on all the tests, including BAP...I know its not an official diagnoses, but I think they are pretty good. Don't people who score AS on the tests sometimes not even have AS at all? I don't have sensory issues in any sense....I had no idea about sensory processing disorders were until I read up on aspergers. My OCD is mild. I like being around people, and I don't get so strongly absorbed into things that I lose sight of everything else. My hearing loss as a kid really had a negative effect on me, and hearing loss causes one to have much anxiety because we miss so many things. As for my brother, he is mild....and I am in no way like him. I read facial expressions well, and know when people are lying. I pick up on weird traits that people have. What you said about feeling like you the person in the movie....it's called living vicarously through someone else...which is common and normal thing to do....it's putting yourself in some else's shoes..sympathizing and feeling their pain.
Well okay. Then you're not on the spectrum. Sounds like that is the truth.
I'm not attacking you, I've tried quite hard to listen to you and answer your questions really thoughtfully. The tone in each of your replies back has been defensive, which I don't like.
No one here is accusing you of being autistic.
You are also taking exception to things I say which have been put forth very sympathetically on my part. Please just relax.
But you are beginning to upset me because you are saying things that make it sound like autism is trivial and not a real, tangible condition, which it sure as hell is.
Why are you on WrongPlanet is you're not autistic?
If you're not AS, then that's good and you can relax now, and stop worrying about it.
What more can be said to satisfy whatever it is that you are still worked up about? If you're not AS, you're not AS, and that's the end of it. Who on earth is it you need to prove yourself to?
Hey girl,
I apologize for upseting you! That was not my intention, and I hate that I've made it seem that AS isn't real. I know that it is. I'm on WP for my brother, and to learn more about the spectrum so that I can understand better the things he does, and also at first to see if I myself could be mildly affected....which I now realize I'm not for my traits are fueled from other things. I guess I was just fed up with all the vague info there is out there on AS which makes it seem that everyone who is in some way different is autistic. So, again I'm sorry for sounding defensive, and I appreciate you trying to help.
21 Mar 2013, 4:39 pm
Hey girl,
I apologize for upseting you! That was not my intention, and I hate that I've made it seem that AS isn't real. I know that it is. I'm on WP for my brother, and to learn more about the spectrum so that I can understand better the things he does, and also at first to see if I myself could be mildly affected....which I now realize I'm not for my traits are fueled from other things. I guess I was just fed up with all the vague info there is out there on AS which makes it seem that everyone who is in some way different is autistic. So, again I'm sorry for sounding defensive, and I appreciate you trying to help.
You're welcome.
I think it's good you're not AS; we may make light of it, but it makes life very hard. But you're obviously welcome on the boards anyway from what I know.
Good luck.
Cf
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