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12 Apr 2013, 7:05 pm

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I dunno, I'm personally not bothered by it much. Odd, unusual, atypical. Maybe "atypical" sounds better? But I don't blame others for picking up on me being odd and being leery of odd behavior. I think it's how people are hardwired. Maybe one of those primal instinct things. I don't think they can help it. And I'm leery myself of certain people based on their odd/unusual/atypical behavior.


Can you give examples of this 'odd/unusual/atypical' behaviour?


Not off hand. But I know there are people I've considered to be such and wanted to either avoid them on the spot or shortly thereafter. They just struck me as strange, bizarre, kooky, creepy et al.

Now that I'm more in touch with my own differences and being more aware of others with differences, such as here in WP, my reaction along those lines will probably be different in the future.

My situation is strange to me in that in many ways I've been off putting to people, but also people have displayed having a great deal of confidence in me and have wanted to place me in management/leadership roles.

I guess I'm adroit at professional demeanor and inept at social demeanor.



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12 Apr 2013, 8:15 pm

Sora said it.

The typical one-sided, verbose, and often appearing insensitive, approach to social interaction. It's the most common manifestation of Asperger's.

I was like it in primary school.



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12 Apr 2013, 8:55 pm

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In essence, if you're "active but odd",

A) you actively approach other people ("most of the time" you initiate social interaction and do not withdraw from other people's approaches, you do not ignore it if others attempt to engage you socially and you do not simply stay passive, meaning you do allow it if others attempt to engage you in social interaction and but you do not reciprocate)

B) but you do so in an odd manner (as described in thr criteria, in some way your social interaction differs from that of "the average person" who doesn't have autism -

Examples, uhm... trying to share an interest with someone who isn't interested to hear about it or continuing to talk about an interest to someone who has lost interest and wants to change the topic.

Greeting/talking to someone who non-verbally signals that he doesn't want to be talked to. Ignoring how someone feels or trying to pay attention to how someone feels but failing to intuitively identify their state of mind and failing to intuitively adjust your behaviour to the person/the situation.

Then there's participating in class or during a meeting at work or in whatever kind of group of people and not being tuned into how the group operates socially. Talking, excessive talking, asking questions when with their behaviour others in the group have expressed that talking or asking questions is not currently socially accepted. Participating in group work either by being okay with it or not wanting to do it and trying to avoid it but dominating or withdrawing from the group or just being really out of sync with your thought process and the ideas you present or with your opinion on when to meet up or when to take a break.

Interrupting others a lot or getting interrupted a lot not simply because someone else is really rude and doesn't pay attention to your non-verbal signals but because you don't send out a sort of huge and clear "I have something to say, pay attention to me now"-vibe when you're about to start to talk.


Ohhhh, I see. I didn't know what they meant by active.

I'm sure in the future the diagnosis will be revised further, and some of these subtypes will get their own categories, because that is a MAJOR difference right there.



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12 Apr 2013, 9:39 pm

CaptainTrips222 wrote:

Ohhhh, I see. I didn't know what they meant by active.

I'm sure in the future the diagnosis will be revised further, and some of these subtypes will get their own categories, because that is a MAJOR difference right there.


Not exactly...it's terms invented in a book, that appear to have been generated out of an erronous understanding of AS. It's not out of DSM or anything "official".


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12 Apr 2013, 10:59 pm

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What Sora said. That's me exactly.


Yeah me too....the joining in at the wrong time, interrupting, not reading cues that I should shut up or get the hell away from them and then looking odd or annoying ect. I always did approach people, even as a kid...I was odder then...I would stim (twirl fingers in front of my eyes) while talking to people or talk to people with my back turned to them (when I was primary school young) but I always approached people and tried to talk to them. People called me a chatterbox as a kid.....among other not so kind things............I digress.



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12 Apr 2013, 11:40 pm

I think that I am passive around neurotypical people and active but odd around autistic/BAP people. I sometimes initiate social interactions with weirdos, but rarely with normals.


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12 Apr 2013, 11:50 pm

I think i'm mosty active but odd around close family and friends however passive around most others. Social anxeity/fear I beleave makes me very passive however if someone in the "other" group makes me feel good and genuinely brings up my one of my special intrests I may switch over to active but odd when the anxiety subsides. I think thats what I do and why anyway.



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13 Apr 2013, 8:49 pm

AgentPalpatine wrote:
CaptainTrips222 wrote:

Ohhhh, I see. I didn't know what they meant by active.

I'm sure in the future the diagnosis will be revised further, and some of these subtypes will get their own categories, because that is a MAJOR difference right there.


Not exactly...it's terms invented in a book, that appear to have been generated out of an erronous understanding of AS. It's not out of DSM or anything "official".


That's just a sentiment I have about this whole AS business in general. I don't think this particular term will break off into its own diagnosis, but I think there will be more diagnoses with details more tailored to specific behaviors, because the AS diagnosis is too broad. Kind of like A.D.D. in the 90s was diagnosed in not only folks with attention problems, but just about any case where the person was perceived as a little "off." In fact, as we understand the brain better, we might find a lot of people we thought were on the spectrum just had a deficiency in certain neurotransmitters or something, and it led to spectrum like behaviors. You know? I don't really have any proof of this, but that's what I think personally.