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15 Apr 2013, 10:01 am

paxfilosoof wrote:
I think this neanderthaler speculation is BS.
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So in other words, you posted this thread for no reason whatsoever and will discount any proof because it doesn't fit in with your viewpoint.


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15 Apr 2013, 10:02 am

kamiyu910 wrote:
paxfilosoof wrote:
I think this neanderthaler speculation is BS.
Thanks for comments


So in other words, you posted this thread for no reason whatsoever and will discount any proof because it doesn't fit in with your viewpoint.


No, If you have read what I've written, you could understand that what we percieve as "neanderthaler" could just be another variation of the homo sapiens sapiens.


Yes, DNA works like this: 50% of your DNA from your father and 50% froml your mother.
DNA contains genes, which are the "code" to build the human body?



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15 Apr 2013, 10:04 am

paxfilosoof wrote:
No, If you have read what I've written, you could understand that what we percieve as "neanderthaler" could just be another variation of the homo sapiens sapiens


That's why I asked if you knew how DNA works. They have completely different DNA


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15 Apr 2013, 10:05 am

kamiyu910 wrote:
paxfilosoof wrote:
No, If you have read what I've written, you could understand that what we percieve as "neanderthaler" could just be another variation of the homo sapiens sapiens


That's why I asked if you knew how DNA works. They have completely different DNA


DNA: 50% mother and 50% father.
-> Genes -> make proteins -> human body

Neanderthaler DNA -> different genes from Homo Sapiens Sapiens -> make proteins -> different human body

But like I said before, what we call neanderthaler DNA can equally just be Homo Sapiens Sapiens DNA but less common.



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15 Apr 2013, 10:12 am

paxfilosoof wrote:
kamiyu910 wrote:
paxfilosoof wrote:
No, If you have read what I've written, you could understand that what we percieve as "neanderthaler" could just be another variation of the homo sapiens sapiens


That's why I asked if you knew how DNA works. They have completely different DNA


DNA: 50% mother and 50% father.
-> Genes -> make proteins -> human body

Neanderthaler DNA -> different genes from Homo Sapiens Sapiens -> make proteins -> different human body

But like I said before, what we call neanderthaler DNA can equally just be Homo Sapiens Sapiens DNA but less common.


No. Each individual species of animal has its own unique DNA. We can figure based only on blood whether an animal was a German Shepherd or Abyssinian cat. We can tell by the markers in human DNA whether they're German, African, or Native American, or all three or more. But homo sapiens DNA is very particular and we can tell if someone is homo sapiens rather than say, a gorilla. Neanderthal DNA is too different to be any variant of homo sapien.


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15 Apr 2013, 10:45 am

I love Fnord's information downloads. :wink:

To OP: how is it speculation that for instance, they have located actual cave paintings? Don't you know they can date things in a lot of ways? And I mean scientific ways, e.g. carbon dating, and by looking at bones they can analyse the diet which shows where an individual lived and originated from. How can you just brush aside scientific evidence - and that's not even mentioning whether I believe autistics are Neanderthals or not.


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15 Apr 2013, 11:29 am

Fnord, no offence but I doubt you have read any of those and/or understand them. I say this because I'm a molecular biologist by profession and you are posting random and irrelevant citations.



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15 Apr 2013, 1:18 pm

don't bother replying, he's clearly trolling, just look at his other comments. (" I believe Asperger and autism are BS". Then why the hell are you writing hundreds of comments in a forum about autism?).
Undeniable fossile evidence, showing they were different in phenotype AND genotype? "I don't believe it, lol". yeah, right :roll: Here's an idea: Have a point!

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15 Apr 2013, 1:22 pm

OK, I am amused.
The ranges of different sub species of Neanderthals (3) is being mapped for correlation with the areas current subspecies of Humans live in. DNA is used to separate sub species, be they cat, dog, mouse, or whatever.
When emigrating out of Africa humans picked up 4% neanderthal DNA in northwest africa on the way. They must not have been too appealing or it would be higher. Think Beagle/Grayhound hybrids.

It is obvious DNA does not mean what paxfilosoof thinks it does and I do not have a substitute word handy. It is fairly complex in its entirety, but the steps involved in its workings are straightforward. With over 2,000,000,000 sequences the information load is seriously heavy and quite often simplified incorrectly.
This can lead to strange ideas of what can or can not happen.


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