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22 Apr 2013, 2:26 pm

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That's smart, reproducing it. Have you had any luck so far? I do that too, for example with astrophysics if I'm really into black holes, then wanting to understand them would lead to understanding all the necessary physics involved and then finding other interesting things trough that and repeating the procedure and then I suddenly have a framework to put all other astrophysics related data in so it just gets easier to learn even more and so on. That's not exactly how it went for me with astrophysics but you get the idea. :) (which then lead to ordinary physics during the research, which then lead to quantum physics. Something similar happened with biology, started with something big which then lead to understanding of all the other sciences that make up it)


Well, I'm just starting, and it's going quite well! :D But persistence is the real test: it's easy to be chaotic. It's not that easy to chaotic and persistent.

Anyway, I know well what you say: when you find the right start point it's like a powder fuse: it suddenly starts to burn fast. Right now I'm trying to translate this to languages learning, wandering around and searching anything that lights a spark. It's all about sparks, as the blackholes for you, or for example the small obsession with risk prediction system models I have now, that leads to many other stuff.

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I guess guilty pleasures is the right word - if I felt any guilt about it :) no no, I prefer "interesting" to "insane", browsing typographies is totally normal - even joining the cult of Helvetica is totally normal nowadays, there's even a documentary about that font. Have you seen it?


Nope! I downloaded it, but then I felt guilty and deleted it :| (It was like 'this is insane, I have to control it') Though you know, one thing I had in mind, if some day I get really bored, was trying to create a italic for the Helvetica. I hate the helvetica italic, it's so... disappointing! it's one the best fonts ever done and it doesn't have a serious italic. I can't believe it! Anyway, I use to 'hack' the fonts I use to adapt them to my preferences, but never created one.

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Oh you're a writer - you could make a writing-mad lib program or a simple AI-like conversational program? If you still need any inspiration to get programming :) Or maybe write about a computer that lost the passion for computing and is trying to regain it instead.


Well, not exactly that but one thing I have in mind (and probably I'll start next month, though I'm not gonna spend too much time in it) is something similar, but not about an AI conversational program but about an AI scriptwriter that can create dramatic situations around a character. I have an idea in my head, though right now is still a bit undefined.

Is the typography a 'not guilty pleasure' for you too? :D

About quantum physics and astrophysics... I always felt a bit of curiosity about reading a bit about it, is there some nice book to leaf through?

And btw, it's off-topic, but anyway, in other thread (I don't remember which one) you let me a bit surprised saying that your body thought that it was a bird... how is that?


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23 Apr 2013, 12:40 am

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Anomiel wrote:
That's smart, reproducing it. Have you had any luck so far? I do that too, for example with astrophysics if I'm really into black holes, then wanting to understand them would lead to understanding all the necessary physics involved and then finding other interesting things trough that and repeating the procedure and then I suddenly have a framework to put all other astrophysics related data in so it just gets easier to learn even more and so on. That's not exactly how it went for me with astrophysics but you get the idea. :) (which then lead to ordinary physics during the research, which then lead to quantum physics. Something similar happened with biology, started with something big which then lead to understanding of all the other sciences that make up it)


Well, I'm just starting, and it's going quite well! :D But persistence is the real test: it's easy to be chaotic. It's not that easy to chaotic and persistent.

Anyway, I know well what you say: when you find the right start point it's like a powder fuse: it suddenly starts to burn fast. Right now I'm trying to translate this to languages learning, wandering around and searching anything that lights a spark. It's all about sparks, as the blackholes for you, or for example the small obsession with risk prediction system models I have now, that leads to many other stuff.


"Chaotic and persistent" is what having both AS and AD(H)D is about :lol:
Agree with the ignition part, helps having special-interests nested inside interests like a matryoshka doll. Seems like most interests are goal-oriented, if it's to understand one thing or to do a specific thing with it, as well as about love.

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Anomiel wrote:
I guess guilty pleasures is the right word - if I felt any guilt about it :) no no, I prefer "interesting" to "insane", browsing typographies is totally normal - even joining the cult of Helvetica is totally normal nowadays, there's even a documentary about that font. Have you seen it?


Nope! I downloaded it, but then I felt guilty and deleted it :| (It was like 'this is insane, I have to control it') Though you know, one thing I had in mind, if some day I get really bored, was trying to create a italic for the Helvetica. I hate the helvetica italic, it's so... disappointing! it's one the best fonts ever done and it doesn't have a serious italic. I can't believe it! Anyway, I use to 'hack' the fonts I use to adapt them to my preferences, but never created one.

Is the typography a 'not guilty pleasure' for you too? :D


Typography is a bit of a not guilty pleasure on and off :) Got a visual dictionary about it recently too, in a box with other design-related visual dictionaries...See you have to stop feeling guilty and download the movie again :) Not that it's that good, but just to live a little :wink: If you do an helvetica-italic then you will be a viral sensation.

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Anomiel wrote:
Oh you're a writer - you could make a writing-mad lib program or a simple AI-like conversational program? If you still need any inspiration to get programming :) Or maybe write about a computer that lost the passion for computing and is trying to regain it instead.


Well, not exactly that but one thing I have in mind (and probably I'll start next month, though I'm not gonna spend too much time in it) is something similar, but not about an AI conversational program but about an AI scriptwriter that can create dramatic situations around a character. I have an idea in my head, though right now is still a bit undefined.


That program is much more impressive than mad-libs, would be a really entertaining to use even for a non-writer.



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About quantum physics and astrophysics... I always felt a bit of curiosity about reading a bit about it, is there some nice book to leaf through?


I don't think I can point you to one book in particular about astrophysics/quantum-mechanics, I do most of my learning now by documentaries and free online courses - there are some language courses there too if you're into that - because they are easier to get (and share with my boyfriend who I can't get to read books) and then read articles and then buy some advanced books on the subject. Some basic documentaries are anything from BBC, for astrophysics Brian Cox's "Wonders of the solar system" and "Wonders of the universe" and Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" and for quantum-physics "Atom". I can't remember more introductory, though I'm still learning and I get interested in other things for a while or nothing at all and then continue learning.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzsN9N8hfAg[/youtube]

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And btw, it's off-topic, but anyway, in other thread (I don't remember which one) you let me a bit surprised saying that your body thought that it was a bird... how is that?


So you noticed how deep your thread got :D The bird thing was because the discussion drifted to us having behaviors like cats, like you remember, and I just thought my movements are more like a bird even though I have been accused of behaving like a cat :) I think it's because I'm more on the high-functioning autism side (the team that did the diagnosing didn't think there were much difference between AS and HFA, and I am probably an odd combination) + other stuff. Not giving you any examples because now I just feel embarrassed :)



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23 Apr 2013, 12:55 pm

Anomiel wrote:
"Chaotic and persistent" is what having both AS and AD(H)D is about :lol:
Agree with the ignition part, helps having special-interests nested inside interests like a matryoshka doll. Seems like most interests are goal-oriented, if it's to understand one thing or to do a specific thing with it, as well as about love.


And if you add OCD to that, then the outcome is completely insane!! ! you're chaotic, and persistent, and love routines, but passionate in unpredictable ways. At the end of the day, it's easier to say, well, I'm just crazy. Anyway, if I would try to explain it, you wouldn't believe me :D

At the end, I think a lot of autism is about leverage. Aspies are usually more straigth, but with a more complicated mind [perhaps because when you have so much complexity inside the last thing you want is to have even more complexity outside]. And then you need some point of support, some rock in turbulent waters, some spark or some nested love inside the matryoshka doll.

Anomiel wrote:
Typography is a bit of a not guilty pleasure on and off :) Got a visual dictionary about it recently too, in a box with other design-related visual dictionaries...See you have to stop feeling guilty and download the movie again :) Not that it's that good, but just to live a little :wink:


I'm downloading now, before I repent!! !

I envy you this book :D Though I'm not such a big fan from the old classics that are in those books, at least the sans serifs. Unless Helvetica, new sans serifs that are appearing last years seems (to me) much better that the classic Frutiger, Avatar, Futura, Gotham and so. Humanists styles are going better and better, though Helvetica is just there, just perfect, no new font beat her in her style. It's like the Johann Sebastian Bach from the fonts :D

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I don't think I can point you to one book in particular about astrophysics/quantum-mechanics, I do most of my learning now by documentaries and free online courses - there are some language courses there too if you're into that - because they are easier to get (and share with my boyfriend who I can't get to read books) and then read articles and then buy some advanced books on the subject. Some basic documentaries are anything from BBC, for astrophysics Brian Cox's "Wonders of the solar system" and "Wonders of the universe" and Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" and for quantum-physics "Atom". I can't remember more introductory, though I'm still learning and I get interested in other things for a while or nothing at all and then continue learning.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzsN9N8hfAg[/youtube]


Thanks. I add this documentary to the Helvetica one, to watch this week :D

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So you noticed how deep your thread got :D The bird thing was because the discussion drifted to us having behaviors like cats, like you remember, and I just thought my movements are more like a bird even though I have been accused of behaving like a cat :) I think it's because I'm more on the high-functioning autism side (the team that did the diagnosing didn't think there were much difference between AS and HFA, and I am probably an odd combination) + other stuff. Not giving you any examples because now I just feel embarrassed :)


Don't be embarrassed!! ! I have myself behaved as a cat, sometimes :wink: I'm usually very adaptable, and no matter where I am, I copy the way the people around there communicate, voice intonations and gestures. When I had a cat in the house, I unconciously started to copy some gestures when I was with him, since for me there's no difference between copying a human being or an animal, it's just adapting to the way the other one communicates. (Now it's me who is embarrassed! :lol: )


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23 Apr 2013, 2:55 pm

Greb wrote:
Anomiel wrote:
"Chaotic and persistent" is what having both AS and AD(H)D is about :lol:
Agree with the ignition part, helps having special-interests nested inside interests like a matryoshka doll. Seems like most interests are goal-oriented, if it's to understand one thing or to do a specific thing with it, as well as about love.


And if you add OCD to that, then the outcome is completely insane!! ! you're chaotic, and persistent, and love routines, but passionate in unpredictable ways. At the end of the day, it's easier to say, well, I'm just crazy. Anyway, if I would try to explain it, you wouldn't believe me :D

At the end, I think a lot of autism is about leverage. Aspies are usually more straigth, but with a more complicated mind [perhaps because when you have so much complexity inside the last thing you want is to have even more complexity outside]. And then you need some point of support, some rock in turbulent waters, some spark or some nested love inside the matryoshka doll.


I think you explained it pretty well but if you want to explain it more, I promise to believe you - and it's not as I'm far from that - just add occasionally manic (is this a crazy-off? :lol: )

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Anomiel wrote:
Typography is a bit of a not guilty pleasure on and off :) Got a visual dictionary about it recently too, in a box with other design-related visual dictionaries...See you have to stop feeling guilty and download the movie again :) Not that it's that good, but just to live a little :wink:


I'm downloading now, before I repent!! !

I envy you this book :D Though I'm not such a big fan from the old classics that are in those books, at least the sans serifs. Unless Helvetica, new sans serifs that are appearing last years seems (to me) much better that the classic Frutiger, Avatar, Futura, Gotham and so. Humanists styles are going better and better, though Helvetica is just there, just perfect, no new font beat her in her style. It's like the Johann Sebastian Bach from the fonts :D


If it was digital I'd give it to you :) I like humanist styles as I appreciate strict in architecture sometimes but I like curving types better.
I like this more than Bach:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjNXBzYsPBA[/youtube]
Don't want to start an argument about classical music, I'm sure I would lose as I'm an art-person no matter how much I love music. :)

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Anomiel wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzsN9N8hfAg[/youtube]


Thanks. I add this documentary to the Helvetica one, to watch this week :D


Great! I love sharing info, tell me what you think about it later.


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Don't be embarrassed!! ! I have myself behaved as a cat, sometimes :wink: I'm usually very adaptable, and no matter where I am, I copy the way the people around there communicate, voice intonations and gestures. When I had a cat in the house, I unconciously started to copy some gestures when I was with him, since for me there's no difference between copying a human being or an animal, it's just adapting to the way the other one communicates. (Now it's me who is embarrassed! :lol: )


I do that too, sometimes. Thank you for not letting me be alone in embarrassment :lol:
You're probably very good at building rapport from what advice I've seen you give. :)
I'm not that talkative right now, I'll answer your mail though.



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24 Apr 2013, 6:02 am

Anomiel wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzsN9N8hfAg[/youtube]


Damn! LOVED it, it's like Progressive Rock + Jazz + Michael Nyman. The beginning remainded me to this one:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSYbEWxnJhE[/youtube]

Don't think I'm such a big connoisseur of classical music. Quite eclectic, indeed :D

Anomiel wrote:
Great! I love sharing info, tell me what you think about it later.


I'll check it tonight!

Anomiel wrote:
I think you explained it pretty well but if you want to explain it more, I promise to believe you - and it's not as I'm far from that - just add occasionally manic (is this a crazy-off? )


Perhaps you're slightly bipolar. The family of my best friend is completely bipolar (almost all of them), sometimes they're manic and other times they just sit down and refuse to move.

Anomiel wrote:
I do that too, sometimes. Thank you for not letting me be alone in embarrassment
You're probably very good at building rapport from what advice I've seen you give.
I'm not that talkative right now, I'll answer your mail though.


Don't believe I'm that talkative!! ! :D I'm an asperger after all and can't help it. Indeed, I have to force myself to go around and socialize, I find much more relaxing to be alone doing whatever I'm doing.


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