"You're Messed Up and Nobody Likes You"

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21 Apr 2013, 3:35 pm

One more thing - being a stay-at-home parent is a valid choice, and the hostility from some people over it is completely irrational, as well as being very typical, something experienced by moms in general (not so much, I think, by dads). Young parents and non-parents are the worst: any mom who doesn't conform exactly to their ideals is terrible and shouldn't be a parent at all. Moms who work meet with hostility too. Moms who have babies at home with a midwife and breastfeed and co-sleep until their kids are three, like I did, get a lot of hostility. Still, my kids are adolescents now, that mommy war garbage is mostly a memory, and I'm glad I did things my way. People around you who are dramatic about their disapproval don't represent "the real world", even if they think they do. The real world is quite diverse.



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22 Apr 2013, 12:02 am

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It's a choice. It comes down to whether the good opinions of the people in question are more important than your happiness and that of your family. You mentioned "survival" - yes, sure, completely alienating everyone around you can cause you to end up unemployed, homeless, and with your kids in foster care, but that's an extreme scenario and the fact that your kid's best friend's mom thinks you're a flake (for instance) isn't that serious a matter.

When I was a kid I had a huge ego and would stand up to anybody. When I started middle school, though, I was so ostracized I ended up internalizing the bullies' hatred and became a very self-destructive, depressed and paranoid person. I didn't emerge from that until 25, and by then I'd managed to screw my life up good and proper by dropping out of school and marrying a sociopath. Since then I have been slowly putting things back together. Sometimes I slip back into self-loathing when I run into a setback, but overall I have chosen to reject that mindset. When it comes to pleasing others and conforming, well, it is impossible to please them all and beyond doing the minimum to stay out of trouble I refuse to worry about it. I managed to find a small circle of people who accept me as I am, and that's enough for me. There will always be someone, somewhere, who thinks you're trash/crazy/etc., and sanity is recognizing when you do and when you don't need to care.


Interesting thought. Think I have had that one before myself.

I don't know. I would like to like me again. The person I was when I liked me built this life and loved it. I remember being happy; I remember all of us being happy. I was kind of talking to DD11 about it. She misses the way things used to be. DS5 says he "likes the other Mommy better." I would like to have that attitude again, be "the other Mommy" again.

I don't think I can recognize from minute to minute when I do and do not need to care. Do and do not need to conform. I am afraid of everyone at this point-- even some stupid speech pathologist who in one breath tells me DD3's language is developing at or above normal and in the next breath says, "So your insurance will pay for 30 sessions; when do you want to start?"

I would like to like myself, trust my own judgment, all that stuff. I even do it, like, in my own head. I'll be driving down the road or whatever-- all the kids are asleep and it's just me and I'll be having these conversations with myself, and I say what I think and believe it and just think I'm a pretty fine hominid.

No paragon or anything, but pretty good. As good as most anyone else I'm likely to meet on the street. Good Enough.

I just can't bring myself to actually do it openly any more. Too dangerous. No point anyway-- What am I going to do, mouth off to the people I have to talk to that just ignore and/or dismiss what I have to say?? Start standing up to people?? Seems so much safer to just keep remembering that I'm dogshit on the bottom of the human race's shoe.

Agreed-- Mommy Wars are totally s**t. I avoid other mothers who engage in mommy wars. Now it's people I can't avoid-- teachers and aides at school giving me s**t about the disservice I've done my kids by not having them brought up in daycare from 6 weeks old, over and over that's all they'll say when I bring up concerns about DS5. I note the people I have trouble with are all female nonparents-- young women in their early 20's, the kind of people who pass out photo holiday cards to their classes with pictures of their weddings and pets and captions like "Happy Holidays" or "Merry Everything".

I don't want to be critical but--- Really?? Really?? Are we f*****g living in The Giver yet?? Part of me wants to give up and conform no matter what I believe in; part of me wants to start looking at homeschool curriculums and rebel in a huge, huge, huge major way.


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23 Apr 2013, 10:57 am

Which leads me to wonder-- perhaps usefully--

WHY in the HELL am I engaging in what amount to Mommy Wars with 23-year-old women who still refer to their overdressed Golden Retrievers as their "babies"?? Christsake. I'm 35 years old, have been raising kids for 11 years now. Sheesh. WHY am I playing this game again?? 'Cause they've got degrees?? Come it to that, I've got a degree too...

And WHY in the HELL am I basing life decisions on the words of a one-time teen mommy who was, when she made the statement, highly pissed off about getting tossed off the cheerleading squad and out of the popular crowd for getting knocked up by my cousin?? Who, not coincidentally, sixteen years later tells me I'm fine and am, in fact, one of the only people who takes time to listen to her??

These also are valid questions.


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24 Apr 2013, 12:13 am

The only reason I don't feel like nobody likes me is because I have friends who've proved time and time again they truly care for me but deep down, I feel so messed up and it just seems like I don't deserve to have an opinion or a place in this world. Except I do have a place, as there are people who adore me and want to hear my thoughts. I really feel like they'd hate me if they knew the way I think. When I make a mistake, I keep it to myself and never say anything. I just allow myself to feel guilty, as I fear everybody will hate me for somethings I've done. Usually I only express things when others bring up something and I agree with it but I have a difficult time when I disagree with somebody and they ask for my opinion. My existence just feels like an inconvenience for everybody and the only way I can feel better about myself is to help them out when they're hurting. Sometimes I see people and I want to be their friends but I get scared and just watch from the side. Most people see strangers as potential friends but I see them as potential bullies or somebody who will possibly leave me behind. It doesn't help that I feel like they won't like me or that I don't even deserve to have friends. There are many things that I enjoy and they keep me happy, I isolate myself from others and pay more attention to entertainment but I guess, I'm still lonely. It's really strange because all of this has only came back to haunt me recently and I don't understand why it's come back now and so strong. Surely I was highly bullied when I was little and it destroyed my self-esteem but I had good friends and a happy life in junior high and in high school but right now, I wonder if I should have never existed. It sometimes just feels like I am not capable of doing anything. Perhaps I just need to get out and go to College but I really don't have that confidence. I mean, I'm doing it regardless because my neurologist wants me to and I need to live up to her expectations, so it feels.. she says I'm too smart to have my life at a stand still but with the way I feel, I wonder if I even am smart. Maybe the intelligence is there but just won't come out.. but I don't know how to feel confidant. So, in a way, I do feel this way.