Is saying "someone is autistic" offensive?

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08 May 2013, 3:22 pm

Well I am happy the way that I am, I do not want to be cured. To say that I "suffer from autism" is the same as someone saying a gay man suffers from gayness.

Plus to say that X has autism is as one of the others has already pointed out a black person does not have blackness. I would say that having our brains wired up differently to NTs makes out autism closer to the core of what we are than almost any of the minority groups have. For example if I talk to a gay man or a lesbian about the brightly coloured lizard sitting on a rock then to them the experience of looking at the lizard is no different to that of a heterosexual person. In the same way a black man looking at the lizard will experience the same lizard as a white woman.

But a autistic person may because of the sensory issues experience the lizard differently to a NT. Some ideas and concepts to an autist may be very to a NT because we think differently.


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08 May 2013, 4:25 pm

Unless you are using autistic in a derogatory sense, then no.



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08 May 2013, 4:36 pm

I'm autistic. My kid is autistic. That is how we are. Nothing offensive about that ;)

The majority of people I have come across insisting on "person first" language are NT parents and carers who are still in that stage of wanting to fix their kid. Using person first language helps them feel more comfortable about the whole autistic thing, and they don't generally think about how that language is received by the person they are caring for.



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08 May 2013, 4:52 pm

I find the mother's statement slightly offensive. I call my self Autistic because it paints more of a positive picture of my Autism, and personally, I find that this "person-first language" has more negative connotations ... but overall, I couldn't care less! It is up to the individual to decide how they'd like to refer to the self, and anyone who disapproves of someone referring to themselves in the manor of THEIR CHOICE can go take a hike.



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08 May 2013, 6:31 pm

I also hate the word suffer in relation to autism. I don't suffer from autism, I suffer from society and their outdated opinions about autism.


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08 May 2013, 6:39 pm

Nope

I also suffer from autism.



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08 May 2013, 8:17 pm

I don't find it offensive.
What I do find offensive is the notion that my personhood, and the personhood of people like me, is not self-evident.


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08 May 2013, 8:34 pm

I would not find it at all offensive if someone said "she's autistic" , "she suffers from autism" or "she has autism" in reference to me or anyone else. Similarly, I wouldn't be offended if someone said "she's depressed", "she suffers from depression" or "she has depression" in reference to me or anyone else. All are correct statements about disorders with which a person has been diagnosed.



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09 May 2013, 5:08 pm

Woodpecker wrote:
Well I am happy the way that I am, I do not want to be cured. To say that I "suffer from autism" is the same as someone saying a gay man suffers from gayness.

Plus to say that X has autism is as one of the others has already pointed out a black person does not have blackness. I would say that having our brains wired up differently to NTs makes out autism closer to the core of what we are than almost any of the minority groups have. For example if I talk to a gay man or a lesbian about the brightly coloured lizard sitting on a rock then to them the experience of looking at the lizard is no different to that of a heterosexual person. In the same way a black man looking at the lizard will experience the same lizard as a white woman.

But a autistic person may because of the sensory issues experience the lizard differently to a NT. Some ideas and concepts to an autist may be very to a NT because we think differently.


Yes! This! Concerning having different senses, here's a thread linking to an article about us detecting movement twice as fast as NTs http://www.wrongplanet.net/postx230616-0-0.html Not that surprising considering we have twice as many neurons. I also learned recently our brains apparently do not have the same sexual dimorphism NTs have.
And then we have the other biological differences.. Like a radically different lung structure http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/hea ... 79688/1%5D
The differences run very deep.



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09 May 2013, 5:33 pm

It is the "person first" mentality among NTs trying to be PC. It isn't that the word is offensive, but saying "autistic child" suggests that autism defines the person. Whereas saying "child with autism" puts the person first...



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09 May 2013, 6:08 pm

Bah. I always thought a lot of politically correct terms (and especially those related to ableism) were invented by someone other than the people they refer to, and here's a perfect example. This seems to be more about what NTs want to think about us rather than how we want to be perceived.

Anybody who says "person with ASD" should be scolded and publicly shamed.



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09 May 2013, 6:20 pm

Nonperson wrote:
Bah. I always thought a lot of politically correct terms (and especially those related to ableism) were invented by someone other than the people they refer to, and here's a perfect example. This seems to be more about what NTs want to think about us rather than how we want to be perceived.

Anybody who says "person with ASD" should be scolded and publicly shamed.


You are absolutely right. It has more to do with an obsession about not saying anything that could be perceived as offensive rather than worrying about if anyone is actually offended or as you stated, taking the time to listen to people to see how the individuals themselves want to be perceived. I experience it on a regular basis in my profession. People are constantly "tip toeing" around the "controversial" issues and constantly changing terminology to keep their conscience at ease...



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09 May 2013, 6:25 pm

54together wrote:
UDG wrote:
What annoys me is that people on the news always seem to say so and so suffers from autism or Asperger's syndrome. It predisposes that we are wrong and inferior. What is wrong with saying he/she is autistic or aspergergic?


I saw the word 'suffer' in an entry for 'autism' in my dictionary. I was offended. :(


Why?


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09 May 2013, 6:29 pm

I disagree with the statement by Emmanuela's mother, but I am more bothered by the "Johnny Comment" guy who keeps trying to make excuses as to why he believes autistic children bring bullying upon themselves.



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09 May 2013, 6:39 pm

I like Jim Sinclair's answer to questions of this sort.

http://www.autism.se/RFA/uploads/nedlad ... nclair.pdf



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09 May 2013, 6:41 pm

Verdandi wrote:
I disagree with the statement by Emmanuela's mother, but I am more bothered by the "Johnny Comment" guy who keeps trying to make excuses as to why he believes autistic children bring bullying upon themselves.


Horrible :?
This is why I choose to not read comments. I tried now though, but stopped as soon as I saw someone comparing autism to being blind, or whatever that was about.