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17 Jan 2007, 3:39 am

Yes, you seem to have done a good job.

As for judging the content of the report, it is good that the narrators try not to over-emphasize the negative aspects of the condition, like certain people tend to do. There are a few broad generalizations made (that people with AS all have really good memories, that they can't understand irony, that they feel affection but can't express it, etc.) that might not hold in every case, but all in all I thought the reporting was refreshingly unbiased.



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17 Jan 2007, 7:16 am

computerlove,

BTW Be assured that I, and I am sure most, LIKE your self deprecating attitude! It is a nice trait. I was just saying that you did better than you let on.

biostructure wrote:
Yes, you seem to have done a good job.

As for judging the content of the report, it is good that the narrators try not to over-emphasize the negative aspects of the condition, like certain people tend to do. There are a few broad generalizations made (that people with AS all have really good memories, that they can't understand irony, that they feel affection but can't express it, etc.) that might not hold in every case, but all in all I thought the reporting was refreshingly unbiased.


Yeah, you're right about that, but AS people MUST have had a good memory at SOME point to develop language, etc... I went back through my memory. I'm going to have to work harder. I only did it 4 days, and that might amount to 8hours total, but I got a LOT. I used to:

1. Have a bibliography of where EVERYTHING came from!(at least since like 2)
2. Figure out statistics to tenths. If I said something would take me 13 minutes to do, and I could only do 90% of it, I was often RIGHT! People used to laugh that I wouldn't say 10 or 15! I eventually changed that. 8-(
3. I always seemed to instintively know if an answer was wrong! I just had a feeling.
4. People would ask ME for answers to questions, and I could tell them.
5. I don't remember having to go through the dictionary twice to remember anything. I wasn't about to try to remember the whole dictionary though, as I recall, I first found out about zygote because it was the last word in the dictionary! I DID follow all thethreads on a word though, and even went to many I knew to find new meanings or threads.
6. I remember like every show I ever watched.

So I definately HAD a good memory. I'm finally finding that I never really lost it. Maybe the whole problem is just nutrition and mental exercise.

I think inately that AS people express emotion differently, so NTs just don't get it. That CAN be learned though. As for irony? I think it is obvious we see irony!

All in all, I liked the tone!

Steve



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17 Jan 2007, 12:43 pm

I consider myself fluent in reading and writing. In fact, teaching myself vocab and "translating" DVD's by writing down the subtitles is one of my "special interests." I'm horrible and speaking and listening, though. I'm actually hyperlexic in learning Spanish, just like I was in learning English. Amazing, really. I can memorize grammar and vocab like you wouldn't believe, but I can't actually use it constructively to converse with people. I'm not good at spontaneously thinking of something to say, translating it in my head and all that. I have a real knack for learning languages, but they won't do me any real good because I can't converse, which is really what you need it for... :roll:
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17 Jan 2007, 5:43 pm

OddDuckNash99 wrote:
I consider myself fluent in reading and writing. In fact, teaching myself vocab and "translating" DVD's by writing down the subtitles is one of my "special interests." I'm horrible and speaking and listening, though. I'm actually hyperlexic in learning Spanish, just like I was in learning English. Amazing, really. I can memorize grammar and vocab like you wouldn't believe, but I can't actually use it constructively to converse with people. I'm not good at spontaneously thinking of something to say, translating it in my head and all that. I have a real knack for learning languages, but they won't do me any real good because I can't converse, which is really what you need it for... :roll:
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I like learning languages too, and I have the exact same problem as you! I find it so much easier to read/write in foreign languages than to listen/speak!

I don't really converse with anyone outside of my family anyway and I don't think I'd be any more likely to do so if I traveled to a foreign country, so it doesn't really bother me. And hey, maybe being able to read/write languages can come in handy somehow (like if I had to translate something).



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18 Jan 2007, 12:01 am

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computerlove, BTW Be assured that I, and I am sure most, LIKE your self deprecating attitude! It is a nice trait. I was just saying that you did better than you let on.


thanks :$ :)

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4. People would ask ME for answers to questions, and I could tell them.


so true!



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18 Jan 2007, 12:13 am

here's the text of the second video, it's in spanish, if anyone wants to translate it, be my guest :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy1s4yZba-c

"no sé lo que me quieres decir cuando son tus ojos los que hablan", una frase que perfectamente podría decir una persona afectada por el síndrome de Asperger, ya que no entienden el lenguaje no verbal.
Esto, no significa que no puedan llevar una vida normal.

(boy talks)
- ...pues yo voy a trabajar, regreso, y voy a la academia, al mercado o a las exposiciones...

(then he mentions his job position)
- Auxiliar administrativo, La Coruña(?), Madrid(?)

25s
- A Miguel le encanta inventar sus fantasías, y el modelismo es su gran afición. Tampoco descarta llegar a ser escritor algún día.

(boy talks)
-Me entretiene mucho hacer recortables (?), lo encuentro bastante entretenido, y luego estoy escribiendo unas memorias, que a ver cuando las publico, y si se publican me pongo a escribir novelas ¡como un loco!

47s
- Los síntomas característicos del síndrome de AS suelen ir acompañados de una inteligencia intacta, también de paciencia, como cuenta Miguel al hacer sus maquetas

(boy talks)
- esta, tres meses, el hacer los arbotantes fue lo más complicado, y todas estas figuritas, pero es la más rara(?) que ...(?) que tengo realmente interés es ...(?) ella

1:10
- ante la limitación de las capacidades de relación social, Miguel asegura que estar solo es su forma de divertirse

(boy talks)
- yo cuando necesito relacionarme, me relaciono, con cualquier otra persona, por ejemplo tengo que preguntar a una persona donde está tal calle, pues lo pregunto, y ya está. O cuando voy a una tienda y necesito información sobre una cosa, la pregunto; o sea que yo me relaciono con cualquier otra persona normalmente, pero mi forma de divertirme es estar solo, o sea, a mí me entretiene el estar sólo. Me pongo a imaginarme mis fantasías ¡y ya está!, así me divierto.
Pero mucha gente me dice que ¿cómo no me aburro?, y a mí, desde el estar ...(?)... me resulta aburrido

1:59
- todos los viernes se reúne con sus amigos para realizar diversas actividades, como jugar a los bolos, visitar museos, o interpretar.

(boy talks)
... es un gabinete, y hacemos algún tipo de conversación, platicar algún tema, algún juego, hacer como actores, algún tipo de escena, o sea, interpretar.


- la interpretación como actores es una terapia que les permite y les ayuda a interpretar situaciones cotidianas de la vida cotidiana en las que, muchas veces, se sentirían perdidos.


end of video :)



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18 Jan 2007, 8:45 am

OK, I TRIED, mostly while half asleep this morning at 2am!

"I don't know what you want to say when you speak to me with your eyes", is a phrase that a person affected with Aspergers is perfectly able to say, they can't understand non verbal language.
This, does not mean that they can't live a normal life.

(boy talks)
- ...since I go to work, return, and go to the university, to the market or the exhibitions...

(then he mentions his job position)
- Administrative assistant, La Coruña(?), Madrid(?)

25s
- Miguel enjoys creating from his imagination, and working with models is his great addiction. Neither discards the ability to be an author some day.

(boy talks)
-I amuse myself a lot by making cutouts, it is entertaining enough, and later I will write a memoir, to be seen when it is published, and if I am able to write novels that are published. That would be CRAZY!

47s
- The Characteristic Symptoms of Aspergers give Miguel the intelligence, and patience, Miguel requires to make his models

(boy talks)
- this, three months, for him to make "The flying fortresses" made it more complicated, and all the little figures, but is the most rara(?) que ...(?) That I have a real interest in is ...(?) ella

1:10
- before the limitation of social relation capacities, Miguel assures that one can amuse themselves while being alone.

(boy talks)
- when I need to relate, I relate, with each other person for example I have to ask a person where is tal street, , then I ask it, and that is it. Or when I go to the store and need information about something, I ask it or to see that I relate to another person normally, but I can entertain myself, or I know,
I can entertain myself. I am able to imagine my fantasies. And that is it!, So I'm amused. But many people ask me How am I not bored?, and to me, until it is ...(?)... I end up bored

1:59
- every friday one reunites with friends to do various activities, such as to play los bolos, visit museums, or to perform.

(boy talks)
... is a cabinet, and creates a type of conversation, to chat about some theme, some play, to perform like actors, some type of scene, or know, to perform.


- The performance as actors is a therapy that permits them, and helps them to perform daily situations of the daily life in that, many times,one can feel the loss.


end of video



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18 Jan 2007, 1:13 pm

I found that the best way to learn a second language is to hang out with people who are trying to learn English and speak the language that you're trying to aquire. That way you can fill in each other's gaps.

Por eso yo puedo hablar Espanol confortable en publico.

But I still can't remember how to write the squiggle over the n and accents on the computer. DOH!



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18 Jan 2007, 1:16 pm

Oh, and I had a little advantage because when I was in my twenties my mom married a Mexican national. That helps. :) But I also tutored Spanish speakers who were trying to learn English.



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18 Jan 2007, 1:54 pm

BeadsInMyToes wrote:
I found that the best way to learn a second language is to hang out with people who are trying to learn English and speak the language that you're trying to aquire. That way you can fill in each other's gaps.

Por eso yo puedo hablar Espanol confortable en publico.

But I still can't remember how to write the squiggle over the n and accents on the computer. DOH!


Yeah,

Admittedly, I am trying to learn vocabulary, as opposed to other things, and the last time I took any formal class in spanish was about 25 years ago! ALSO, I did it based on computerloves spotty transcription. Also, I try to keep the same kind of wording/order to a large degree. SO, as I said, not my best work. HEY, you're welcome to do it your own way.

BTW I DO remember how I learned English. I just don't have the interest in these other things to do it that way. 8-(

Steve



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18 Jan 2007, 10:53 pm

I am taking Beginning Spanish now but my NT mom is from Central America {not Mexico} so I speak a little Spanish from what I know. My class at school sucks because I do not like the way my teacher is teaching it. :x

Any Aspies from Spanish-speaking countries?

Hablar Aspergers?



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19 Jan 2007, 1:06 pm

SteveK wrote:
OK, I TRIED, mostly while half asleep this morning at 2am!


Hi SteveK, excellent job man, I just checked your writing and is nearly flawless, pretty good especially at 2am! (what where you doing awake at that time?!)
I did a minor correction to it, and only had to correct some obscure stuff
(like "bolos" = boliche = bowling)
or hard to translate sentences like the last one:
pérdida = loss
perdida = lost

excellent job man :)



SteveK wrote:
"I don't know what you want to say when you speak to me with your eyes", is a phrase that a person affected with Aspergers is perfectly able to say, since they can't understand non verbal language.
This, does not mean that they can't live a normal life.

(boy talks)
- ...I go to work, return, and go to the university, to the market or the exhibitions...

(then he mentions his job position)
- Administrative assistant, La Coruña, Madrid

25s
- Miguel enjoys creating from his imagination, and working with models is his great addiction. Neither discards the ability to be an author some day.

(boy talks)
-I amuse myself a lot by making cutouts, it is entertaining enough, and later I will write a memoir, to be seen when it is published, and if I am able to write novels that are published, I'll write LIKE CRAZY!

47s
- The characteristic Symptoms of Aspergers usually go with an intact intelligence, also patience, as Miguel tells us when he makes his models

(boy talks)
- this, three months, for him to make "The flying butresses" made it more complicated, and all the little figures, but this is the most strange ... I have a real interest in ... (?)

1:10
- with the limitation of social relation capacities, Miguel assures that being alone is his way to have fun.

(boy talks)
- when I need to relate, I relate, with any other person, for example I have to ask a person where is such street, I ask it, and that's it. Or when I go to a store and need information about something, I ask it; I relate with other people normally, but my way of having fun is being alone, I mean, I can entertain myself. I am able to imagine my fantasies, and that's it!, that's the way I amuse/entertain myself.
But many people ask me ¿how can you not get bored?, and to me, being... ...(?)... makes me bored.


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- Every friday he gathers/joins with his friends to do various activities, such as to play bowling, visit museums, or to perform.

(boy talks)
... is a cabinet, and do some chat, talk about something, some game, to perform like actors, some type of scene, I mean, to perform.


- The performance as actors is a therapy that allow them and helps them to perform/play/act usual situations of (daily) life in which, many times, they'd feel lost.




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19 Jan 2007, 1:08 pm

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I am taking Beginning Spanish now but my NT mom is from Central America {not Mexico} so I speak a little Spanish from what I know. My class at school sucks because I do not like the way my teacher is teaching it. :x

Any Aspies from Spanish-speaking countries?

Hablar Aspergers?


Hola AnonymousAnonymous, hay unos cuantos latinos, SovietChess (cuba), SamuraiSaxen (méxico) y yo (también méxico) son los que primero se me vienen a la mente

ah, in the frappr? map you can check more people, there's a sticky somewhere in the forum



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19 Jan 2007, 3:39 pm

THANKS computerlove,

Yeah, I didn't bother to translate that word. 8-( I forgot. And I just lost track of time. Anyway, thanks for the cleanup, etc...

I WILL get better. Spanish is the LAST language I tried to go back to, and my goal is only to know at LEAST the top 1000 words in each. It will probably be more like 3000 though. Of course, with english, I'm probably only going to ADD perhaps a few hundred.

Maybe later this year I can concentrate on grammer and conjugation. Ironically, I think German has the hardest grammer, and I might do the best with that.

BTW Thanks for the transcript. 8-)

Steve



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19 Jan 2007, 5:59 pm

I don't know Spanish. I'd love to learn a foreign language, but I would have to be able to keep my concentration on actually getting it done.



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19 Jan 2007, 11:13 pm

computerlove wrote:
AnonymousAnonymous wrote:
I am taking Beginning Spanish now but my NT mom is from Central America {not Mexico} so I speak a little Spanish from what I know. My class at school sucks because I do not like the way my teacher is teaching it. :x

Any Aspies from Spanish-speaking countries?

Hablar Aspergers?


Hola AnonymousAnonymous, hay unos cuantos latinos, SovietChess (cuba), SamuraiSaxen (méxico) y yo (también méxico) son los que primero se me vienen a la mente

ah, in the frappr? map you can check more people, there's a sticky somewhere in the forum


Hi AnonymousAnonymous, there are many Aspie Latinos. {Sorry mate, but this is the best I could get from your Spanish.}