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17 May 2013, 4:26 pm

In my opinion intellect is only proved by doing something noteworthy with it; until that point it's only hypothetical

I've got little time for IQ tests - they just prove you're good at IQ tests, not much more

Applying your intellect to real life situations is the test


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17 May 2013, 4:46 pm

nessa238 wrote:
In my opinion intellect is only proved by doing something noteworthy with it; until that point it's only hypothetical

I've got little time for IQ tests - they just prove you're good at IQ tests, not much more

Applying your intellect to real life situations is the test


I feel this way entirely. And that is another one of my issues. I have the belief that I am quite competent in subject matters of an academic nature and I am quite capable of displays of my intelligence, but I have very little to no social graces and my demeanor usually gets me coined as immature or more unintelligent that I really am, from the get go.

There is also the issue of the display of my abilities, and I do wish to make something noteworthy. I am quite passionate about what I have passion for. But I think that the standards that others put in certain fiends of my interest are not only ludicrous, but inconsequential but, nevertheless they do hinder my own personal goals in significant ways.

By which, in the end, I become excessively frustrated. Especially because life in general tends to get in the way. Not having the availability to spend hours of uninterrupted practice can be annoying at the least.



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17 May 2013, 4:52 pm

It's clearly the capitalist system which does not make full use of its human resources. There are probably a lot of intellects like yours going to waste because private employers and the system are allowed to make decisions for superficial reasons.



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17 May 2013, 5:31 pm

I think the experience of "wasted intellect" is a symptom of the brainwashing that societies undertake in order to convince otherwise content citizens to overproduce/enslave themselves to work. Most of the endeavors that require "intellect" are wholly unnecessary to the sustenance of life, and, depending on how they are practiced/enforced, harmful to it. People who use a great deal of "intellect" at their jobs spend long hours away from loved ones getting fat and developing carpel tunnel syndrome in front of computers, constantly having their minds taxed with deadlines, greedy employers who care not one wit about them, and impossible co-workers. They build, design, and maintain various sorts of widgets, most of which no one actually needs, but that spoiled citizens of wealthy countries want, working for corporations that rape the environments of other countries for raw materials that could be used to actually build useful things, like homes. They destroy forests worth of trees writing reams and reams on obscure topics that the vast majority of the Earth's inhabitants cannot understand or even put to practical use. Useful to keep capitalism running? Yes.

In fact, any sort of "intelligence" is all but destined to be wasted, in the sense of not put to service in the creation of something useful, because it takes very little intelligence to survive. At best, the concept of "wasted intellect" poses the question of what "wasted" or "useful" means. Advanced math, computer programming, engineering, and all sorts of other things that are commonly thought of as the product of intellect are mostly recreational. We don't need them to survive, we don't need them to be happy, so in what sense is the mind wasted if it is not used to understand or work at them?

Of course, this is all ignoring the fact that "intellect" and "intelligence" are extremely vague concepts.



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17 May 2013, 6:27 pm

Considering my years of homelessness and drug abuse, i'd say it was intellect wasted.



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17 May 2013, 8:37 pm

A lot of.people seem to be replying to this tjread as though wated intellect is in any way related to the corporate job enviroment. I was.speaking in intrinsic terms mostly because i feel i have more potential.than i have actually had the confidence to display.



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17 May 2013, 8:58 pm

I think that high IQ is high potential for intellectual accomplishment, but whether or not intellectual accomplishment occurs depends on many factors.

Regarding confidence, I think that intelligence gives me confidence in many situations, because I know that my brain will be there to figure things out for me.


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17 May 2013, 9:29 pm

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Yeah, I get what you mean. I am supposed to be some kind of amazing student, but I'm still working on my BS.

If it helps any, think of how many other people have the same IQ score you have, or higher. For a score of 145, there are nearly ten million people with that same ability to score that high. Which means--if you fail, if you mess up or don't reach your potential, that doesn't mean that the world will forever be poorer for it, that you've hurt everybody. It just means that, sooner or later, one of those ten million people (or someone with a talent, who can't score that high) would make the contribution you're worried about not making. Yes, it does matter that everybody contributes, because if nobody did we'd get nowhere; but it does mean that if you fail, you're not going to doom anything. Other people can pick up the slack. And, anyway, IQ isn't really a measure of intelligence; it's more of a measure of how well you do on an IQ test.

It helps sometimes to remember that I'm not really that important or that special, because that means that I don't have to try to carry the world around on my back.


Yeah don't think this way. Each one of us is unique with limitless potential. There is not one person like us, nevermind 10 million.

starkid wrote:
I think the experience of "wasted intellect" is a symptom of the brainwashing that societies undertake in order to convince otherwise content citizens to overproduce/enslave themselves to work. Most of the endeavors that require "intellect" are wholly unnecessary to the sustenance of life, and, depending on how they are practiced/enforced, harmful to it. People who use a great deal of "intellect" at their jobs spend long hours away from loved ones getting fat and developing carpel tunnel syndrome in front of computers, constantly having their minds taxed with deadlines, greedy employers who care not one wit about them, and impossible co-workers. They build, design, and maintain various sorts of widgets, most of which no one actually needs, but that spoiled citizens of wealthy countries want, working for corporations that rape the environments of other countries for raw materials that could be used to actually build useful things, like homes. They destroy forests worth of trees writing reams and reams on obscure topics that the vast majority of the Earth's inhabitants cannot understand or even put to practical use. Useful to keep capitalism running? Yes.

In fact, any sort of "intelligence" is all but destined to be wasted, in the sense of not put to service in the creation of something useful, because it takes very little intelligence to survive. At best, the concept of "wasted intellect" poses the question of what "wasted" or "useful" means. Advanced math, computer programming, engineering, and all sorts of other things that are commonly thought of as the product of intellect are mostly recreational. We don't need them to survive, we don't need them to be happy, so in what sense is the mind wasted if it is not used to understand or work at them?

Of course, this is all ignoring the fact that "intellect" and "intelligence" are extremely vague concepts.


Really cynical. Each person is here to contribute to the advancement of human civilization. We all have a role to play, it's spiritual and is between us and our Creator -- so who cares about greedy corporations.



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17 May 2013, 9:56 pm

Nope.

The majority of people lead boring, pointless lives, and die as anonymous, unsung members of the lowing herd. 99% of the collective brainpower of humanity gets flushed down the cosmic crapper in the grand scheme of things.

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17 May 2013, 9:59 pm

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IQ scores reflect nothing about intelligence. Furthermore, how can you ''waste'' your intelligence? Do intelligent people have some kind of a divine mission to serve humanity or else? No problem if you are happy.


A year or so ago someone actually made that argument here, that having a high IQ meant one was obligated to serve humanity.



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17 May 2013, 10:23 pm

Tyri0n wrote:
It's clearly the capitalist system which does not make full use of its human resources. There are probably a lot of intellects like yours going to waste because private employers and the system are allowed to make decisions for superficial reasons.

Capitalism is a system that promotes competitiveness as i) a proxy form of quality control and ii) system to promote evolution and progress (whatever that means) in society. Even if you have an IQ to qualify for Mensa, you still need to a) function in a NT society b) network with NTs and c) comply with NT expectations. The stronger the urge to follow your "ASD urges" for routine or self stimming etc the less likely you will be able to keep up with a-c.



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17 May 2013, 10:59 pm

Regarding the fellow artists here, I can relate. As a kid I would mostly copy/draw comic book characters or copy photographs from encyclopedias or books/magazines into drawings. I was definitely into highly detailed drawings. I only used graphite or pen/ink or charcoal. Unless I was in school, I just didn't use color. I also scoffed at any artwork that weren't cartoons, Renaissance art or surrealism/photorealism. It wasn't until I hit 30 that something clicked in my brain--I decided I didn't need to be so perfect anymore. I could actually be highly imperfect and that was perfectly OK. That's when I started experimenting with color, abstract art, impressionism, etc. A whole new world opened up to me. You see, I *knew* what perfection was, but I didn't have to adhere to someone else's ancient, staid idea of what "real art" was. I began to not care if anyone liked what I made or not. I decided to create my own semblance of perfection. After 30 years, I broke out of my "shell". I grew in other ways as well. I started to see the world a little bit differently. I began to see how the boundaries of things were not just hard lines, but soft edges blending into each other. My brain and my whole perspective on life changed. My brain did a major evolution. If I had more time to myself I would actually love to create much more than I do. Art is truly much more than a picture.



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18 May 2013, 3:14 am

I feel it's a waste and so does my dad. I'm 5 points short of being a genius I had no idea, maybe I can move up 5 points. 8)
If I had a better upbringing and current (stable) adult social life things would be different.


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18 May 2013, 5:55 am

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Nope.

The majority of people lead boring, pointless lives, and die as anonymous, unsung members of the lowing herd. 99% of the collective brainpower of humanity gets flushed down the cosmic crapper in the grand scheme of things.

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Pessimism is just a higher form of optimism. Expect nothing from the world, and you'll go through life being pleasantly surprised.


I think it all depends on the perspective a person takes

Some days I can agree with you totally on this but on other days, when I feel happier I can feel differently

I think that if you don't get the opportunity to use your intellect to it's full you can still use it to appreciate the intellect of others

I get a lot out of the arts - writers, artists, poets and also science - people who've made discoveries and new creations

I like stories of people who struggle against the establishment to make great disoveries or creations and I suppose it's like saying oh well they did something brilliant even if I wasn't able to so I'm going to be glad for them and read all about them

I don't have the drive or sufficient intellect to do all the things these people did but I still enjoy reading about them and experiencing things vicariously


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18 May 2013, 7:44 am

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Yes, my intellect is wasted. I frequently get the line "You're so smart! You could be doing anything!" I tell them my intellect is wasted since I don't have the interpersonal skills necessary to use them.


This.



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18 May 2013, 9:49 am

Yep. I test out on the high end of the charts. (Which proves I know the material on the tests.)

I am winding down to retirement age now, and feel like there could have been so much more I could have contributed. But because I was socially oblivious, I never managed to negotiate the various social systems necessary to be able to even get the kind of training I'd have needed for entry level work - I'd have been a great researcher, maybe a good scientist....

When I finally got to college I spent my free time, what there was of it, reading in the library, becoming a subject matter expert. I did not have a clue how to let anyone know what I actually had in my head, and the jumps forward in logic I was able to make. And without decent enough skills to make the connections one needs to get ahead (letters of reference, etc.) I have ended up my working career as a secretary. It wasn't that I wasn't a hard worker, that I didn't put in the sweat equity (so to speak). I simply could not get from point "A" to point "B".

I wish someone would let kids know that the stuff they teach you in the classes in college is only about 1/3 of what you need to get out of college to be successful.