Social communications disorder..is it on the spectrum?

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05 Jun 2013, 6:22 pm

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Trying to stay on my first question, i have another question.. Why is Social communications disorder not on the spectrum

Because of the absence of stereotyped and repetitive behaviors, who are considered a central trait of autism.

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and im not sure if it was made clear if those with SCD are NT?

Made clear by whom? "NT" are a designation created by autism activists; probably in no "official" text will say "people with SCD are NT" or "people with SCD are not NT".

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Another question would be what are the differences in the ways those with Social communications disorder are treated and those who have asperger's syndrome? We used to be one and the same, and now after the DSM 5 we are no longer the same because we do not have stereotyped and repetitive behaviors.

SCD and AS never were the same - in the DSM-IV, AS was AS, and SCD was probably PDD/NOS

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And by saying i dont feel NT, is because i truly think my brain is wired differently to those who define themselves as NT, i feel alot closer to a person who defines themself as an Aspie.

I doubt that there are significant people defining themselves as "NT"; remember that "NT" is an expression used almost only by autistic community.

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05 Jun 2013, 6:28 pm

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I used to think i had aspergers, till i heard a new thing in the DSM 5 called social communications disorder is what i might have. I have a question, is it still considered on the spectrum? Because i really dont feel like a NT at all. Can any of my well read aspie friends give me some info on this, much appreciated.

Very close to the spectrum.

Social communication disorder is being considered as a diagnosis for people who have, basically, a learning disability in the area of communication, especially nonverbal communication, but no other symptoms of autism.

I just hope it won't be used as a synonym for "Asperger's". Many Aspies have mild social problems and severe problems in other areas, and it'd be ridiculous to pretend otherwise.

Define "severe problems in other areas"?

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05 Jun 2013, 6:34 pm

TPE2 wrote:

ANicL wrote:

Trying to stay on my first question, i have another question.. Why is Social communications disorder not on the spectrum

Because of the absence of stereotyped and repetitive behaviors, who are considered a central trait of autism.

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and im not sure if it was made clear if those with SCD are NT?

Made clear by whom? "NT" are a designation created by autism activists; probably in no "official" text will say "people with SCD are NT" or "people with SCD are not NT".

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SCD and AS never were the same - in the DSM-IV, AS was AS, and SCD was probably PDD/NOS

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And by saying i dont feel NT, is because i truly think my brain is wired differently to those who define themselves as NT, i feel alot closer to a person who defines themself as an Aspie.

I doubt that there are significant people defining themselves as "NT"; remember that "NT" is an expression used almost only by autistic community.

Hmm, so what i get from what you are telling me, stereotyped or repetitive behaviors are a really big deal as to define oneself as being on the spectrum. How are those with SCD treated differently from those with Aspergers's, because those the SCD as I have also suffer a great deal in life due to the fact that they suffer greatly in the social aspects of life.

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05 Jun 2013, 6:37 pm

Ive also read that those who are not NT cannot be "cured" of what they have because their brains are wired differently.. So another question of mine is can those with SCD be "cured" because they may not be considered " NT" ?

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05 Jun 2013, 8:20 pm

I'm Your Friend! :-)

Nevermind the lousy DSM -- though perusing the V might not be a bad idea, just to get an idea of where the government's at...

Fear not -- Everyone has communication impairments, only some are recognized and documented.

Case scenario: I can't entirely recall all that I was going to say because I got interrupted by 2 phone calls... which I won't bother analyzing in this forum, lol!

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05 Jun 2013, 10:33 pm

http://templegrandin.com/templegrandinart.html wrote:

Proposed Removal of Asperger’s from
The DSM-V Diagnostic Manual

The American Psychiatric Association is proposing to eliminate the Asperger and PDD-NOS diagnosis and merge them into autism spectrum disorder. This would occur when they publish the new diagnostic guidelines in the DSM-V. They are also proposing to create a new diagnosis called social communication disorder. The description of the symptoms for social communication disorder are similar to Asperger’s. Some of the features of social communication disorder are difficulty in social uses of verbal and non-verbal communication and social communication problems that have a detrimental effect on employment and social relationships. To be labeled autistic, the individual also has to have additional symptoms such as sensory problems, fixated interests or repetitive behavior. It is my opinion that social communication disorder is part of the social impairment continuum of the autism spectrum. I fear that many Aspies will be switched into this diagnosis when school districts get short on funding.

The changes in diagnostic criteria are probably going to cause the most problems for older, fully verbal children who have normal intelligence and are diagnosed in late childhood or adolescence. I have observed many individuals who have had a diagnosis that switches back and forth between ADHD and Aspergers. Another problem is that some individuals may get a diagnosis that will hold back their progress such as conduct disorder or oppositional defiant disorder.

Do Not Get Hung Up On Labels

Diagnosis with either the current DSMI-V or the proposed DSM-V is not precise like a diagnosis for bacterial infections where precise lab tests can be used. Psychiatric diagnostic labels were determined by both scientific studies and the opinion of committees sitting around conference room tables in hotels. Nobody debates the results of lab tests for a strep throat. Over the years, many psychiatric diagnoses have changed.

In conclusion, when individuals on the milder end of the autism spectrum are labeled, you must remember that the following words all mean the same thing. Asperger, Aspie, geek, nerd, mild autism, social communication disorder or socially awkward. The science clearly shows that the social problems on the autism spectrum are a true continuum. It is likely that some of the individuals who tell their stories in this book would be diagnosed as social communication disorder if DSM-V proposed criteria were used.

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05 Jun 2013, 10:41 pm

http://templegrandin.com/templegrandinart.html wrote:

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Interesting......I had'nt read that before, and it raises more than a few side points that are beyond the scope of this thread.

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05 Jun 2013, 11:28 pm

ANicL wrote:

Callista wrote:

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Define "severe problems in other areas"?

Executive dysfunction, perseveration, pedantic speech and writing, routine-dependence, overwhelming special interests, sensory overload, self-injury, inability to summarize or see the "big picture", meltdowns, difficulty understanding implied or figurative meaning, transitioning difficulty, all-or-nothing thinking style, a tendency to get lost in detail, inability to make fast decisions, dyspraxia, prosopagnosia, inability to detect danger, sensory hyposensitivity leading to injury, stimming, and many other cognitive and sensory differences.

Some of these are not problems by themselves, but become problems when social expectations are considered. For example, in a world where everyone wore name tags, prosopagnosia would not be a problem...

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05 Jun 2013, 11:49 pm

I hope you people realize that your words are weapons for some who avoid getting involved on this site and other groups like it because their so-called "severe social problems" are in fact a result of an innate intelligence that keeps them on high alert to BS from people with "Engineering degrees" and the like!

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06 Jun 2013, 12:01 am

I am so confused about the new categories.

What if you have communication disorder plus only a few autistic traits, or many mild ones? To what extent must one exhibit perseveration, stimming, executive function issues, or others?

What if you used to need a lot of help with this as a child, but now you've improved? Did you have autism before, but now you are "cured?" I don' think so; one's brain hasn't changed.

This seems to go against the idea that there is a spectrum, and instead it moves towards the classification of new categories.

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06 Jun 2013, 12:02 am

Einsteinologist wrote:

I'm Your Friend! :-)

Nevermind the lousy DSM -- though perusing the V might not be a bad idea, just to get an idea of where the government's at...

Fear not -- Everyone has communication impairments, only some are recognized and documented.

Case scenario: I can't entirely recall all that I was going to say because I got interrupted by 2 phone calls... which I won't bother analyzing in this forum, lol!

Well, thank you for being a friend to me, i truly appreciate it. I never thought it was be this difficult to get some information on this subject, it just shows how complex "being on the spectrum" can be or not.

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06 Jun 2013, 12:04 am

Callista wrote:

ANicL wrote:

Callista wrote:

ANicL wrote:

Define "severe problems in other areas"?

I have to say, that I identifty with those that you catagorize as "Severe problems in other areas:" however, im not one for self injury, nor am i aware of stereotyped or repetitive behaviors, it just goes to show you how similar we truly are.

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06 Jun 2013, 12:05 am

Einsteinologist wrote:

Ive never been one to think that aspies are asexual, im sexual in my mind, but on the outside im just shy and dont talk much.

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06 Jun 2013, 12:07 am

velocirapture wrote:

I agree with this, and i identify with this as well, the addition of SCD has added alot more questions for me personally, and im more confused than ever. People say that aspies are neurologically different the way their brain works from NTs, so does a person with SCD fall in the same catagory, as being "uncurable"? Frankly though, i would not want to be cured, it was be so weird.

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06 Jun 2013, 12:41 am

I guess that SCD will be diagnosed in the ASD subgroup lacking restricted and repetitive behaviors.

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06 Jun 2013, 1:57 am

Even more confusing... The proposed ICD11 has social reciprocity disorder which is an autism subtype and tagged 'Aspergers', with the same symptoms as the US social communication disorder.

So whether you're on the spectrum depends whether you're European or not :p.

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