I think aspergers was dropped because of the government

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17 Jun 2013, 4:08 am

This is no different than arguing about the minimum wage they get paid in this country and no amount of benefits or tax credits would be able to help with that one. This comes to light now because so many people feel victimised and in ruin and giving the ill-timing of it all I can understand but really its all down to natures resources and who is the breadwinner or head of the table.
The person who works for their cash has a lot to owe up to, but its a win or lose situation. Gary McKinnon was the reason why so many other as people had to work twice as hard as most normally would because of the hype in the government about how he hacked into the Nato system by mistake and no one believed him.



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17 Jun 2013, 8:35 am

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This is no different than arguing about the minimum wage they get paid in this country and no amount of benefits or tax credits would be able to help with that one. This comes to light now because so many people feel victimised and in ruin and giving the ill-timing of it all I can understand but really its all down to natures resources and who is the breadwinner or head of the table.
The person who works for their cash has a lot to owe up to, but its a win or lose situation. Gary McKinnon was the reason why so many other as people had to work twice as hard as most normally would because of the hype in the government about how he hacked into the Nato system by mistake and no one believed him.




How can you accidentally hack into the system? :?


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17 Jun 2013, 4:31 pm

The DSM was originally created for psychiatrists and doctors to differentiate illness from health. The issue with doing so is that they don't let the people who actually "have" the "disorder" or "illness" determine what the criteria is themselves. The DSM is like the Council of Nicaea for Christians.

The mistake I think the APA made was that they should let the individuals who "have" the "illness" determine the criteria for it themselves.


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17 Jun 2013, 4:50 pm

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AS wasn't dropped; it was merged with the rest of the spectrum.

Mild AS usually doesn't make you eligible for disability because you can still work. And if you can work, why in the world would you want to try to get SSI? It's below the poverty line, you don't get anything fun, ever. You get to eat and have shelter. That's pretty much it. Every day you wonder if you're going to get chucked out onto the street. Why anyone would want that kind of life, except to escape starving to death, is beyond me.


If you ever do get anything fun, people will endlessly criticize you for spending your SSI money on frivolous things.
Yeah. And you'll criticize yourself, too, because you'll know that you really shouldn't be spending sSI money on anything but what you need to stay alive... even though it was just a $7 paperback book and it just means you'll be eating a couple more meals of ramen this month than usual... because our whole lives we've been told that it's badwrong to take charity, even if you need it, and that that $7 paperback is probably worth what you paid in terms of morale and stress relief. You still feel like you should never ever spend anything on something you won't die without.

When I donate food to the food pantry, I always try to bring some "frivolous" things... Boxes of hot chocolate on one occasion, I remember; coffee and tea; good marmalade instead of cheap grape jelly; animal crackers for the kids. The kinds of things that make you feel like a human instead of a charity case. I think if you have to go to a food pantry, you should at least get the kind of encouragement that comes from a decent cup of coffee or a giraffe-shaped cracker. Naturally the staples are more important than those sorts of things...

And still, even with that belief, I feel like if I spend money on things that I don't strictly need--balls of yarn for my crochet projects, or an extra cat toy--I'm somehow being bad. Cheating. That I'm not allowed any more than the bare minimum. That somehow, because I'm disabled, I'm not allowed to have any fun.


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17 Jun 2013, 11:50 pm

it was dropped? when?



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17 Jun 2013, 11:57 pm

The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
it was dropped? when?


You haven't noticed all the discussions about AS being merged into autism in DSM-V? They've been going on forever.


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18 Jun 2013, 12:26 am

Who_Am_I wrote:
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it was dropped? when?


You haven't noticed all the discussions about AS being merged into autism in DSM-V? They've been going on forever.


Haven't been around for a long time.



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18 Jun 2013, 1:25 pm

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it was dropped? when?


It wasn't dropped. It was merged into autism. A lot of people don't seem to understand the difference between those two.



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18 Jun 2013, 1:54 pm

Why don't you stop acting like victims and quit giving aspies a bad name? It wasn't removed, it was renamed or merged with the rest of the spectrum.

and blaming the government and trying to make up conspiracies isn't helping either.



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18 Jun 2013, 4:33 pm

The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
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it was dropped? when?


You haven't noticed all the discussions about AS being merged into autism in DSM-V? They've been going on forever.


Haven't been around for a long time.


Ah, fair enough.
I can't remember exactly when it was first proposed, but AS is being merged into autism.


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20 Jun 2013, 4:30 am

League_Girl wrote:
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This is no different than arguing about the minimum wage they get paid in this country and no amount of benefits or tax credits would be able to help with that one. This comes to light now because so many people feel victimised and in ruin and giving the ill-timing of it all I can understand but really its all down to natures resources and who is the breadwinner or head of the table.
The person who works for their cash has a lot to owe up to, but its a win or lose situation. Gary McKinnon was the reason why so many other as people had to work twice as hard as most normally would because of the hype in the government about how he hacked into the Nato system by mistake and no one believed him.




How can you accidentally hack into the system? :?


I think it was because he was trying to create a new internet graphic game, he's on fb too if you want to take a look, im sure he'd confirm his own poor circle of events to you.



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20 Jun 2013, 9:17 am

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it was dropped? when?


It wasn't dropped. It was merged into autism. A lot of people don't seem to understand the difference between those two.


It was dropped. Aspergers doesn't exist anymore. It's autism spectrum disorder. The word aspergers doesn't exist thus, it was dropped. Understand now?


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20 Jun 2013, 9:19 am

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Why don't you stop acting like victims and quit giving aspies a bad name? It wasn't removed, it was renamed or merged with the rest of the spectrum.

and blaming the government and trying to make up conspiracies isn't helping either.


Your ignorance is giving us a bad name. Learn to play nicely please and thank you. I am just stating my theory. If you don't like it, then hop off my post. K.


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20 Jun 2013, 9:44 am

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Aspies have been deemed as the "bad boys of the mental health system." Frankly, I think we all should be proud of that distinction. 8) APA's just running scared.



......and bad girls, that man! 8) ..... It is stupid of them, but stupidity is to be expected. What else are government bodies for? Answers on a postcard please......


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20 Jun 2013, 10:40 am

Who_Am_I wrote:
The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
it was dropped? when?


You haven't noticed all the discussions about AS being merged into autism in DSM-V? They've been going on forever.


Haven't been around for a long time.


Ah, fair enough.
I can't remember exactly when it was first proposed, but AS is being merged into autism.

yeah,there was even posts about it the last time had been on here which was several years ago, but its not something that gets posted about unless on a forum/site/fb group which involves autism issues/concerns.

the new DSM came out in may so not just aspergers but the entire spectrum has already been affected by this merge into one big lovely pile of greatness now.
it also depends on the country and specific pyschs [or 'pyschos' as old WP member danielismyname used to fittingly call em], because some use the ICD which hasnt yet merged the spectrum,the new ICD is out in 2015 and it is still talking about whether to keep ASD and the subtypes of autism as it is,or merge-to keep up with the DSM.
its ridiculous having two sets of autism criteria,it shoud be all the same.


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20 Jun 2013, 2:44 pm

Autism is never 'dropped'. This is merely a saying for someone who cant sort out concerns of their own, some people will openly be digestible to new data involving their condition whilst others wont fair the same. I might add that there are a number of disagreeable people and organisations they run which only serve one purpose. Money back guarantee.
Its all a big showcase of whos the best charity on paper , never mind the affected party.
NEVER underestimate someones abilities due to exposure. ALWAYS time the reality as if you were the one who braved the ordeal in the first place coz not only does that person live in denial of who they are they don't even know why their behaviour would have an adverse reaction on someone else. Stereotyping is not only immoral in our society it destroys our healing nations coming through a phase in history just as all the other decades were just ashes to ashes, dust to dust.
Inform the OP, and all those who are just shy of expressing themselves that they need not fear themselves any longer. The age of the elephant man performance is over. We don't need a circus to know that our demons really do exist, and not just in the shadows.