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grahamguitarman
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31 Jul 2013, 8:17 am

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This is one of those issues that strains my marriage. I have been diagnosed with AS, but I don't think my husband really believes it. I think he believes the condition exists, but not that I have it. However, he sometimes does: he'll be upset that I've been "faking it" and think that who he thought was the real me doesn't exist. Apparently he thinks I've tricked him (despite having told him that any "faking" was subconscious, and I didn't even know about my AS until 8 months ago...we've been together for 14 years), and it angers him. It feels terrible, doesn't it. Every time I've ever told anyone, they've said something along the lines of, "Oh, it must be very mild then," or, "You seem so normal." I think they don't understand how hard it is to maintain that facade, and I guarantee you that if we didn't do it, they wouldn't like the result. So either our difficulties and efforts are completely dismissed (or even criticized!), or we're shunned. Nice choice, huh? :?


As someone who had no idea I was ASD until 6 months ago, and previously thought I was normal I can relate.

It's not that you tricked him, more like you tricked yourself!

And that is the problem for us, we go through life trying to compensate for our shortcomings. Trying to toughen ourselves up believing that it will somehow make us overcome those difficulties. We make daily excuses for why we failed in task X, because we don't want to actually admit to failure. And above all we trick ourselves into thinking that we are perfectly normal, and that tomorrow we will find the secret to being socially adept and not messing up anymore.

Then you get diagnosed and all of a sudden you realise that your 'normality' was just a dream that you kept telling believing in to feel like everyone else.

I'm lucky that my wife is so understanding and doesn't accuse me of tricking her. But then we had an autistic son already, so that kinda prepared her for my own discovery.


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31 Jul 2013, 10:17 am

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To me there are two types of people in this situation:

Type 1- Uneducated: These are people who haven't heard of it before they don't necessarily discount it but they don't know enough about it.

Type 2- Haters: These are people regardless they know about it or not just brand it as an excuse for us to be as*holes or not to socialize.

The way to deal with type 1's is to educate them and for type 2's to shoot them down in flames.


I think you should add:

Type 3- Deniers: These are people who want to perceive you as normal because either they can't cope with the idea that you're abnormal, or they didn't catch it first and they think, therefore, that it must not be true.



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31 Jul 2013, 10:21 am

I think people don't take it seriously because we don't look any different to them but I think we do.


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31 Jul 2013, 11:44 am

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Only counting cards in Vegas counts.


love this comment. Did anyone even stop a moment to understand what he is saying?

It is unrealistic to expect people who know you one way to understand you are another way. And why should someone else take the time to understand the inner workings of your highly subjective clock? People pay a therapist 100-150 an hour to understand, and even they cannot do it (and then they will probably make a wrong diagnosis and you will believe them because you do not want to think you wasted your money. The world of interactions is a shadow play, but play the hand you're dealt..

You are the way you interact. This is who you are to the person who knows you. When I finally shared that I am brain damaged with my children they couldn't understand, as they do not know the inner workings of my brain or my personal struggles, and that is sad to accept that no one else can ever completely know you,. but, better put, why should they be expected to?

Plus it is too personal, like pulling your shirt up in public and saying here, look at this pimple on my stomach. Of course that might make a lot of people uncomfortable.. I do not really see the functional value of telling anyone else that one is autistic....unless one is discussing it with others like oneself and maybe enquiring into it. I do understand wanting to share it with ones mate, but do not count on that person understanding...



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31 Jul 2013, 2:05 pm

i hate them, I cant work yet I cant get the pension because im diagnosed but not treated as theres no treatment I live poor and miserable I hate life



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31 Jul 2013, 10:15 pm

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vanhalenkurtz wrote:
Only counting cards in Vegas counts.


love this comment. Did anyone even stop a moment to understand what he is saying?
Sorry but I actually do not understand what this means. I know what counting cards is and I know that it is done in casinos like they have Vegas but I don't understand what it means here. I do apologize but sometimes references like this are difficult for me to understand. Perhaps you will explain it to me.

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It is unrealistic to expect people who know you one way to understand you are another way. And why should someone else take the time to understand the inner workings of your highly subjective clock? People pay a therapist 100-150 an hour to understand, and even they cannot do it (and then they will probably make a wrong diagnosis and you will believe them because you do not want to think you wasted your money. The world of interactions is a shadow play, but play the hand you're dealt..

You are the way you interact. This is who you are to the person who knows you. When I finally shared that I am brain damaged with my children they couldn't understand, as they do not know the inner workings of my brain or my personal struggles, and that is sad to accept that no one else can ever completely know you,. but, better put, why should they be expected to?

Plus it is too personal, like pulling your shirt up in public and saying here, look at this pimple on my stomach. Of course that might make a lot of people uncomfortable.. I do not really see the functional value of telling anyone else that one is autistic....unless one is discussing it with others like oneself and maybe enquiring into it. I do understand wanting to share it with ones mate, but do not count on that person understanding...
Thank you Littlebee. This is actually a really difficult issue for me, in fact so much so that I cannot even bring myself to talk about it, it is just too much. But reading your post is really helpful to me. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this subject. Hugs, Skibum



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31 Jul 2013, 10:17 pm

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i hate them, I cant work yet I cant get the pension because im diagnosed but not treated as theres no treatment I live poor and miserable I hate life
Hang in there buddy. We hear and feel for you. You are not alone.



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01 Aug 2013, 8:41 am

skibum wrote:
littlebee wrote:
vanhalenkurtz wrote:
Only counting cards in Vegas counts.


love this comment. Did anyone even stop a moment to understand what he is saying?
Sorry but I actually do not understand what this means. I know what counting cards is and I know that it is done in casinos like they have Vegas but I don't understand what it means here. I do apologize but sometimes references like this are difficult for me to understand. Perhaps you will explain it to me.



Its a reference to the film Rainman, in which Dustin Hoffman uses his 'Autistic Savant Skills' to count cards at a Vegas Casino. A stereotype that many NT's mistakenly attribute to those of us with ASD.


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01 Aug 2013, 8:49 am

skibum wrote:
littlebee wrote:
vanhalenkurtz wrote:
Only counting cards in Vegas counts.


love this comment. Did anyone even stop a moment to understand what he is saying?
Sorry but I actually do not understand what this means. I know what counting cards is and I know that it is done in casinos like they have Vegas but I don't understand what it means here. I do apologize but sometimes references like this are difficult for me to understand. Perhaps you will explain it to me.



Its a reference to the film Rainman, in which Dustin Hoffman uses his 'Autistic Savant Skills' to count cards at a Vegas Casino. A stereotype that many NT's mistakenly attribute to those of us with ASD.


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01 Aug 2013, 10:00 pm

grahamguitarman wrote:
skibum wrote:
littlebee wrote:
vanhalenkurtz wrote:
Only counting cards in Vegas counts.


love this comment. Did anyone even stop a moment to understand what he is saying?
Sorry but I actually do not understand what this means. I know what counting cards is and I know that it is done in casinos like they have Vegas but I don't understand what it means here. I do apologize but sometimes references like this are difficult for me to understand. Perhaps you will explain it to me.



Its a reference to the film Rainman, in which Dustin Hoffman uses his 'Autistic Savant Skills' to count cards at a Vegas Casino. A stereotype that many NT's mistakenly attribute to those of us with ASD.
Thank you. I actually love that movie and I remember that scene very well. I thought of it when I saw the post but I had no idea how it related. So I am glad you told me. Thanks!



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01 Aug 2013, 10:01 pm

grahamguitarman wrote:
skibum wrote:
littlebee wrote:
vanhalenkurtz wrote:
Only counting cards in Vegas counts.


love this comment. Did anyone even stop a moment to understand what he is saying?
Sorry but I actually do not understand what this means. I know what counting cards is and I know that it is done in casinos like they have Vegas but I don't understand what it means here. I do apologize but sometimes references like this are difficult for me to understand. Perhaps you will explain it to me.



Its a reference to the film Rainman, in which Dustin Hoffman uses his 'Autistic Savant Skills' to count cards at a Vegas Casino. A stereotype that many NT's mistakenly attribute to those of us with ASD.
Thank you. I actually love that movie and I remember that scene very well. I thought of it when I saw the post but I had no idea how it related. So I am glad you told me. Thanks!

By the way, I couldn't count cards to save my life! I'm excited if I can just count and balance my checkbook! :)



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03 Aug 2013, 3:02 am

These kind of people scare me 'cuz of my dad....
:oops: :cry:


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03 Aug 2013, 5:20 pm

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These kind of people scare me 'cuz of my dad....
:oops: :cry:

I just noticed your signature. Sometimes when certain kinds of things are incomplete, that can scare me little. Could that possibly be a reason for what you mention in your signature? Just a thought.