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29 Jan 2007, 12:49 am

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So we're all psychopathes on here?


When put that way, it makes us sound like a bunch of crazies. Well, I am not crazy!

My son still laughs at me because one time we got in an argument and he told me I'm crazy.

My response was to yell "I AM NOT CRAZY!'



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29 Jan 2007, 12:52 am

All the psychologists/psychiatrists I've met have pronounced it "ASS-per-gers" so I say it that way too. One of my psychologists is an Asperger's specialist, so I figured he probably pronounces it properly.



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29 Jan 2007, 2:46 am

Well, I pronounce it ass-pergers or ass-burgers.. it depends



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29 Jan 2007, 2:47 am

as.

per.

ger, as in germ.

Why's it so hard? lol.



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29 Jan 2007, 3:17 am

I like Is-ber-ger. The ger is said like grr. No offense or suggestive things from that, to my knowledge!


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29 Jan 2007, 3:56 am

I always like saying it as As-per-juers (think of how the G in Peugeot sounds)
It sounds so much more french than german that way :lol:



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29 Jan 2007, 9:52 am

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So we're all psychopathes on here?

Autistic Psychopaths of the world unite!


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29 Jan 2007, 12:13 pm

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I think that correct German pronounciation can sound like either 'uhsPEARGers'

That's how I pronounced it, when I first learned what it was. I had never heard of it before, and I learned about it on my own, so I made my own pronounciation based on what it looked like. Then when I was diagnosed and heard specialists say it "Ass-per-grr's," then I slowly started to say it that way. I have a tough time adjusting to proper pronounciations, if I've had my own way of saying something. The real way sounds odd, and then I begin to think my original pronounciation sounds odd. That's when I transition. So, now, "Ah-sper-grr's" just sounds "off" to me.
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29 Jan 2007, 1:17 pm

Hoorahville wrote:
as.

per.

ger, as in germ.

Why's it so hard? lol.


ger as in germ is FRENCH! He was german. g as in guten tag!
Frankly, german would be:

ahsperger

asper as in asper-in(Germans pronounce ahsper-een)
ger as in hamber-ger(Germans pronounce hahmber-ger)

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29 Jan 2007, 5:02 pm

Well, I might be half deaf (I know I'm half blind as I can look straight at something and not see it), but it sounded like the machine said jer. lol.

I'll go look it up again when I'm not rigged for silence.



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29 Jan 2007, 5:18 pm

I was called Assburgerboy on a dating advice forum just because some guy wanted a laugh. You may disagree with me here, but I feel that we need a more descriptive label than one that can easily be made fun of--especially considering how much we get teased.


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29 Jan 2007, 5:46 pm

My son who has aspergers asked me the other day what an asburger tastes like? I thought it was funny he is 8, and knows he has it but cany really understand it yet. Anyway i just pronounce it as-pergers.



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29 Jan 2007, 5:48 pm

It's first one, but you know before I knew that was the way it was pronounced I was pronouncing the "g" like a "j"


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29 Jan 2007, 7:16 pm

Hans Asperger was from Austria and spoke German, so I give it a German-like pronunciation:

/ˈɑspɚgɚ/ (ahs purr gher)

I've heard numerous other pronunciations, though:

/ˈæsbɚgɚ/ (ass bur gher)
/ˈɑspɚʤɚ/ (ahs purr jer)
/ˈæspɚʤɚ/ (ass purr jer)



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29 Jan 2007, 7:49 pm

Ticker wrote:
So we're all psychopathes on here?

Back when Hans Asperger was doing his research, especially in German, the word psychopathy meant mental and behavioral health disorder in general. Then for a time, psychopathy referred to any kind of aberration of personality (anankastic or obsessive-compulsive, hysterical, inadequate, dependent, emotionally unstable/explosive, aloof, and amoral or dyssocial types). These later became the personality disorders of the DSM-IV-TR and the ICD-10.

For various reasons, the label psychopathy became stuck to the amoral or dyssocial type (i.e., criminal personality). Perhaps it was because people's behavior could appear to be so irrational, self-defeating, and publicly disruptive as to be caused only be a mental illness. Thus, instead of being incarcerated, these people were admitted to psychiatric wards. Those considered mentally ill were diagnosed with a psychosis (e.g., schizophrenia, manic depression) or possibly a severe neurosis (e.g., obsessional neurosis); if the diagnosing physician believed the patient merely had an aberrant personality, he or she would be given a diagnosis of psychopathic personality and often dismissed (since they did not treat character disorders). Later theorists, culminating with Hervey Cleckley's The Mask of Sanity, developed theory about the psychopathic personality (specifically referring to the amoral or dyssocial types).

The American Psychiatric Association later used the less ambiguous name sociopathy (emphasizing the suspected sociological roots of crime) in the DSM-II and changed the name again to antisocial personality disorder in the DSM-III (the name used in the current revision); the ICD-10 uses the term dissocial personality disorder.

At about the same time the APA changed the word sociopathy to antisocial personality disorder, a researcher named Robert Hare was researching psychopathy in criminal populations. (Researchers usually used generalized personality questionnares like the MMPI to measure psychopathy back then.) He refined the criteria Cleckley had used to come up with a Psychopathy Checklist (PCL). In the PCL, Hare defined psychopathy in terms of personality traits (like impulsivity, glibness, and egocentricity) while the APA defined antisocial personality disorder as a long list of specific criminal acts and violations of social norms in its DSM-III.

Nowadays, psychopathy refers to people who are emotionally callous, exploitative, and prone to criminal acts rather than to generic "nutsos" or people who hallucinate. Hans Asperger was going by the older definition when he used the label autistic psychopathy.