How autistic are you in fact? (self-made test)

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Actual social situations don't often require the sorts of choices you offered. So many false dilemmas. false dichotomies. A person could go an entire lifetime without having to make the sort of choices you have proposed. To sum up the general theme of the test, the overall choice is between being mistreated and being alone- as though those were the only choices. Perhaps it speaks to my NT-ness that I don't have to make that choice. But then, there are plenty of WP posters who also are not making that choice. There are countless posts of autistic people finding their place to belong and bond with people who "get" them (sometimes also autistic, sometimes not). It's not like being with people who don't mistreat you is the exclusive domain of NTs. And it's certainly not like NTs welcome mistreatment to stay in a group- with notable exceptions like prison.

The questions are too socially stereotyped and above my social level.

I've also scored a 0. The questions were too loaded for me. I hardly ever think about those things.

Come on guys, if this is being presented as an experiment there's a decent chance the experiment itself isn't what's obviously being presented. The experiment could be something like 'how many people don't even bother taking the test due to all the reasons listed in this thread?' :-p (But this qawer's obsessed with the idea of a herd mentality, I'm not even sure what this test would be getting at anyways...there's the autistic herd that exists on here, ie: someone would answer or not answer due to what they think the majority of autistics feel and that wouldn't be hard to do since it's quite obvious that scores closest to 0 are intended to rate autistics, and then there's a more general herd...anyone could be following either herd when answering this survey if they have a herd mentality, so I don't think you're getting the information you think you might think you'll be getting.)

'Negativity' is of course never objective, it's as subjective a thing as any other value judgement. But the definition of 'negative' is something that instills a negative emotion in someone for any variety of reasons.
Specifically for these questions, for instance, 'integrity' is never, ever seen as a bad thing. So when you're asked to rate if you like not having integrity, it's a loaded question because no one's going to say 'Yes, I like having no integrity'...all answers will be low. If instead you asked the person how much they valued integrity, with the lowest score possible meaning you simple don't value it, that would make a lot more sense because you'd actually be getting information on how strongly they value integrity in themselves. Like, I could see someone not valuing integrity, but I can't see someone who actively doesn't want to have integrity in themselves.

Completely aside, I don't think independence and integrity are the same things at all, not sure what qawer was actually trying to get at for that question for that reason. In any case, since I'm not independent and I suspect independence for me at this point in my life would involve me living (or dying) as a homeless person, I sort of had to answer higher for this than I wanted to.

... Sure, I'll play along, and explain my answers.

1. 0- Both are just people, who won't receive any special treatment from me. Though, of course, the world values one more than the other and there's nothing my opinion could do about that (which is why I spoke from "I would" instead of "should be"... I'll assume I made sense there).
2. 0- I don't care about social status, I like people based on their personality traits. Treat me with respect and you'll receive respect (or be completely ignored).
3. 0- Even if a group treated me well, I would be reluctant to say this is where I belong, so I remain loose with association. A group that treats me badly would be completely ignored. That's in an organization sense. If by group you meant, teamwork, then my group belonging would based on my technical abilities with a priority to get the job done. Personal issues such as "being treated bad" would be dealt with in a professional manner.
4. 0- I can handle my problems on my own (I've always struggled with asking for help even when needed). No one can help me better than myself anyways, and bullies don't want trouble.
5. 0- My integrity is important. Independence though... I don't like depending on others.

Total score: 0
My comment: Oooh, big bad zero. Scored Autistic to the maximum.

Have you ever spent time in the version of reality where people don't s**t roses, sugar and spice and all things nice?

Some people are not given the options or accepted regardless. I am a bit fed up with socially successful people talking about things they actually know nothing about.

I can name situations in my life where I only had abusive people to turn to. Abusive people like to socially isolate the person they are abusing and tend to make it difficult for that person to find help. When you do ask for help, no one listens, no one cares, you are just the equivalent of human dog s**t to them. The system doesn't help, it leaves you in the abusive environment.

Don't believe me what about other public cases of even more barbaric mistreatment of human beings. Look up Sylvia Marie Likens and read about what a group of youths combined with adults put her through for the ultimate in disgusting human creulty.

Under the supervision of an adult the 16 year old girl was kept in a basement and tortured until she died from her injuries. She was scalded by being put in hot baths until the point where he skin was coming away. She was starved, beaten by the local children who thought it was just a game, her genitals were kicked and punched, she made to do humiliating things such as insert a bottle into herself in front of everyone and she died due to brain injury some months later after being repeatedly pushed down a flight of stairs as a joke.

No one did a damned thing to help her. NO ONE. No one went to the authorities, no one reported anything. Even before she was put in the basement people afterwards came forwards to say they had seen her with a black eye but no one had thought to enquire or find out what was going on.

The children involved thought it was just a game. They were told to punish sylvia. They didn't think they were doing anything wrong...or so they said apparently.

Don't make me laugh.

Don't think this world is all happy happy pretty prettr farts don't stink and everyone finds social happiness.

I never went though anything quite as severe as sylvia but sometimes people have no choice but to rely on an abuser as there is no other choice, especially when you are a child. Unless you fancy living out on the streets to be taken advantage of by adults and low lifes in that way.

This world is not rosy place people with social bonds and those who care about them think it is.

Some souls will have no one for an entire life time, others will only have people who abuse them, some will be luckier...

Go ahead tell me I am just a negative thinker because I had a glimpse of the real human nature.

I am also tired of lectures from people about how I have to be x, y and z socially and care. I cared for my disabled mother for years. When I got sick no one was there for me. I stood up for the bullied at school, the bullies turned on me and no one helped me in return. I tried to let a man down gently and told him I am sorry I don't feel that way about you but we can still be friends if you would like. He agreed and then turned around and raped me and so on and so forth.

I have been thrown across rooms by people and kicked until I had their boot mark bruised into my back.

I have been taunted, gossiped about, socially ridiculed and ostracised and not one person has ever cared or given a s**t. Not one person helped. I reported bullying and abuse to the authorities endless times and nothing was ever done. NOTHING

As a child I had no choice but to stay around the abusers unless I wanted to live on the street. As an adult I'd rather spend my life alone than allow people to treat me like that. And alone I am...

And no I don't hate myself or feel I am worthless as a result. I hate society for letting them do that to me and I even hate society for letting people do what they did to Sylvia.

This world is only a kind place for a select few, the rest of us get treated like dirt and trampled by those who have deluded themselves into thinking they are worth more.

No one person is worth more in any true or realistic or objective sense than another. Worth more you based on what you get from them sure, but not worth more in a general human sense and all human beings are worthy of basic decent fair humane treatment whether they have personal worth to you or not.

Barbaric and creul species the human race can be.

0.
The questions were only addressing the social communications aspects of autism. There were no questions about sensory "overstimulation", executive function, ridged routines, special interests etc.

The parameter is stated: worth more in the sense that they should be treated better.

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Yep. Few to none of the NTs I know would score so on this.

Sounds like some pleasant NTs. Luckily there are many of those.

I know several NTs who would get a high score if they answered according to how they act.

Isn´t this is about values more than anything?
Aren´t these statements about being dependant and underdoggish, maybe narcissistic, rather than being more or less autistic/NT?
The more you answer no, - the more autistic, you are, - "autistic" meaning independant, unconventional and "true"?

I personally know loads of NT people, who would score very low here, - because they are naturally humanistic, independant and can think for themselves. Otherwise, I assure you, I wouldn´t have chosen them as friends.

There are definitely lots and lots of friendly and kind NTs!

In my opinion one of the (many) main differences between NTs and people with AS is that NTs tend to base their confidence on their position in the social hierarchy which they feel they belong to - people with AS more tend to base their confidence on how independent they are/how well maintained their integrity is. The statements reflect this (but they could, no doubt, have been formulated better/more precisely).

The way I see it, NTs value independence because it reflects af high social status, i.e. being capable enough of dealing with problems to be independent - they do not care about being independent in itself. If becoming independent/maintain their integrity would mean no longer being accepted by the group, they would rather be accepted and become more dependent if that was the necessary price.

People with AS on the other hand tend to value independence in itself. They would often rather be rejected by the group if being accepted would completely cost them their independence/integrity.

I believe that is one of the social reasons why people with AS can end up living on the "boundary" of society.

Last edited by qawer on 08 Jan 2014, 8:53 am, edited 2 times in total.

1 = 0
2 = 0
3 = 0
4 = 0
5 = 5 because i didn't really understand the question.

Total: 5

Meh, I like Qawers' obsession with herd mentality and all things social, his opinions are interesting to read. I kind of look forward to coming across them on the boards.



Things are only negative if you perceive them that way and, in this case, if you are the type of person who is bound by social or cultural convention. Just because your society values integrity and see's not having integrity as a negative thing that does not mean it is an objective truth.

For true objectivity you need to remove ideas or notions of negative and positive and merely stick with facts alone without any judgment attached to it, including whether or not something is negative or positive.

So in the case of qawers question, just answer it without seeing integrity as a positive or negative concept. So completely without social value judgments. I would answer honestly as I am not tied to social or cultural conventions.



I prefer to be independent where possible and it is not just due to past traumas. I always did like wondering off on my own to do my own things and do things my own way, even if I had not had emotional trauma from bullying I would have been that way as I was that way from the beginning.

But mired within the definition of integrity is that of morality, and one simply cannot have morality separate from society. Morality by definition involves other people, morality by definition changes from person to person, and morality itself is a value judgement.

One cannot truly answer question 5 separately from societal constructs, it's centered in societal construct.
I suppose if you really were to answer outside of society construct you'd have to answer right in the middle...meaning you don't care...but it's plain as day that you're a highly moral person bumble. You clearly highly value integrity.

Hi cavernio.

I should probably have made some of the statements more precise.

What I mean by question 5 is how important it is to you to not have to put up with people talking s**t to you (or perhaps just having to greet people you do not like) because your survival depends on them (for instance coworkers with a higher position than you at work). When people are in a position where they can "freely" mock/taunt you without you being able to give back, that is where I say your integrity gets "hit" (you do not act the way you really feel you should because you are "on a leash"). But if you had been independent of that person survival-wise (you are for instance not, because you need the money), you could have given back, saving your integrity.

You have to value the group more than your integrity to put up with it for a longer period of time.