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17 Jan 2014, 1:36 pm

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Low to average IQ for type 2, only a perceived genius compared to an actual genius for type 1 and mostly female?

Anyone else notice that?

Or is it just me?

I am in the category that is not in the 'mostly' part.

Had an IQ of 140 + in my teens (no idea what it is now, not measured it properly in years), good at science and math but also studied the humanities, literature, drama, media studies and so on. I am female.


Definitely not just you!

I also noticed the low to average IQ/mostly female part. Highly suspect.

The sexual orientation categories are highly unusual, too. I wonder if this is an attempt to extrapolate very broadly from a really small sample?

I am male. I love science and math, but also literature, drama and art.... I am a graphic designer.

I have a moderately high IQ and excellent LTM and STM.

I did not feel that either category really fits me but many parts of both do, somewhat.

My understanding is that there is a great deal of variation among aspies and such a binary categorization system is almost certain to fail when tested against this very heterogenous group.



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17 Jan 2014, 1:48 pm

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My Theory:

TYPE ONE:

* The "Stereotypical Aspie"
* "Calculator Type"--Math & Science
* High IQ, SAT, etc.
* Poor LTM, good STM
* stims are for calming
* more often male
* more socially impaired.
* less outwardly empathetic.
* more grounded and "down to earth."
* poor ability to communicate through emotional connections and to recognize facial expressions.
* Feels emotions more internally, feels less of them, controls behavior better.
* Actual "Genius"
* Tend to be straight, gay, or nonromantic asexual.

TYPE TWO:

* Chameleon and Multipotentilate (aka "Renaissance Person.")
* "Encyclopedia Type"--Visual/performing arts, humanities, psychology, language
* Low to average IQ and SAT scores
* poor STM, eidetic LTM (almost perfect)
* stims are part of a creative or a thinking process.
* Often "borderline" or NT-seeming
* tend to be female.
* more outward empathy, able to "read" people by emotions & expressions.
* Dreamers & Innovators.
* More prone to meltdowns.
* Perceived "Genius."
* tend to be bisexual, biromantic/panromantic asexual, transgender, genderqueer

Note: PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS RESEARCH BASED OFF EXPERIENCE IN THIS SITE AND IN MY EVERYDAY LIFE, AS WELL AS INTERPRETATIONS OF STUFF I READ. I DO NOT MEAN TO OFFEND ANYONE, AND PLEASE FEEL FREE TO GIVE ANY OBJECTIONS, ADDITIONS, OR CORRECTIONS YOU HAVE. let me know what YOU think. :)


I am certainly closer to #2, except I am not NT-seeming people always notice there's something 'off' about me my lack of proper eye contact makes it kind of obvious that there is something different about me. Also I can't really read people by emotions or expressions I more pick up on vibes from people. Also not sure about being an innovator, a dreamer for sure and while people throughout my life have told me how I am so intelligent I usually feel like I'm not really that smart.


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17 Jan 2014, 1:53 pm

I don't believe any of it.


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17 Jan 2014, 2:13 pm

I fit these:

TYPE ONE:
*Math & Science
*High IQ (but I don't know about the SAT)
*stims are for calming
*less outwardly empathetic
*poor ability to recognize facial expressions (I don't know about my ability to communicate through emotional connections)
*feels less emotions (but not more internally; nor I can control them better)

TYPE TWO:
*Visual/performing arts and a little bit language (but I suck at humanities and psychology)
*poor STM, good LTM
*I am a female
*dreamer & innovator
*prone to meltdowns

I am a mix of both.

Note: I am not sure of my sexuality yet. It has had swings in my life (when I was around 11 I only used to be attracted by females, then I started to be attracted by both genders and it's more or less a year that I am almost completely attracted by the opposite gender) also I am still 16 and I have to reach adulthood and wait 'till the hormonal stuff is over to be sure of my sexuality; but I guess that at the moment I'd consider myself straight.



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17 Jan 2014, 2:23 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
I don't believe any of it.



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17 Jan 2014, 3:05 pm

These types make no sense to me.


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17 Jan 2014, 3:12 pm

two types of AS:
1-the moderate and severe
2-the mild and borderline nt's



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17 Jan 2014, 3:38 pm

This is very interesting, and at first glance I would say that you are on to something.

Someone on WP once observed that there seemed to be at least two different kinds of Aspies: the stereotypical blunt, über-logical, emotionless-seeming type, and a sort of Highly Sensitive Person type. I think that correlates somewhat with your categories.

Adamantium wrote:
I also noticed the low to average IQ/mostly female part. Highly suspect.


I assumed that was due to the second hypothetical AS person being better at things that aren't as well represented on IQ tests as STEM stuff – arts and humanities.



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17 Jan 2014, 3:51 pm

I think your research need more work and base it on real people not a forum.



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17 Jan 2014, 4:09 pm

I love maths, I hate science and I've never been considered or perceived as a genius in my life.

I don't think I come across as NT but then most NT's I know, don't know what AS is, so they won't know that I have it.

I don't really know what to make of your analysis to be honest, but well done for trying though.


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17 Jan 2014, 4:31 pm

I look at it like this; (basically looking at the differences between my brother and myself);

He thinks the world should change for him without him changing anything, and gets mad at people for not allowing him to do exactly what he wants, because that's what -they- do too.
I think I should try to be part of the world, and need to change in order to fit in it, but get mad at people for not respecting that I'm trying really hard and changing a little my way too.

Introvert autism and extrovert autism is what ----I---- call it, and that seems to be a pretty good way of "defining two distinct groups of autistic people if you have to".
It works on WP as well, some people will react to your questions saying you should "pull back" and just stay yourself and find your own space/work/thing to do in life and ignore "the stupid NT's", while others will give you suggestions on how to "fit in better".


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17 Jan 2014, 4:58 pm

starkid wrote:
Someone on WP once observed that there seemed to be at least two different kinds of Aspies: the stereotypical blunt, über-logical, emotionless-seeming type, and a sort of Highly Sensitive Person type. I think that correlates somewhat with your categories.


I wonder how all of this ties into some Aspies/autistics having a higher Nonverbal IQ than Verbal IQ and some having a higher Verbal IQ than Nonverbal IQ (and how this, in turn, correlates with the oft-debated theory of left brain and right brain). Of course, it is worth noting that everyone on the autistic spectrum has different traits and personalities from every other person on the autistic spectrum. The question, it seems, is how different can two individuals be before they are no longer considered to have the same neurotype.

What fits me:

TYPE ONE:
:?: Am perceived by others to be logical and left-brained, though math and science are not my strongest skill sets
* High IQ, SAT (well, ACT), etc.
* stims are for calming
* Feels emotions more internally
:?: feels less of them [There are some negative interpersonal feelings, such as hatred, that I am not sure that I feel, but the emotions I do feel can be very intense]
*controls behavior better [for the most part...]

TYPE TWO:
* "Encyclopedia Type"--Visual/performing arts, humanities, psychology, language [I have interests that lie in literally all of these]
* poor STM, eidetic LTM [Well, maybe not "almost perfect," but my long term memory has been known to amaze people]
* stims are part of a creative or a thinking process. [Yes, I stim both to calm and to arouse]
* Often "borderline" or NT-seeming [Well, that depends on how one defines "NT"; I am more often accused of being "strange" than of being "normal," but I do not think that most people assume that I have any particular disorder]
* tend to be female.
* able to "read" people by emotions & expressions. [ I have a facial and vocal affect that can be described as "flat" and that is not inconsistent with Schizoid Personality Disorder, but I am able to read people fairly well]
* Dreamers & Innovators.
* Perceived "Genius." [borderline intellectually gifted?]
*Bi/Panromantic Demisexual...I think...

Basically, I'm a Schizoid-seeming type two.


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17 Jan 2014, 5:02 pm

I wouldn't even know how people perceive me.

How am I supposed to know this without asking?


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17 Jan 2014, 5:05 pm

To O.P.:
There are NOT two types of Asperger's or autism! Stop it! This is not like ordering from a Chinese restaurant: "2 from column A, 3 from column B, and extra spicy." What is it about the word "spectrum" don't you understand?



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17 Jan 2014, 5:12 pm

babybird wrote:
I wouldn't even know how people perceive me.

How am I supposed to know this without asking?


I find that people will typically either affirm or refute any observation that you mention about yourself. Try mentioning how you perceive yourself (ideally when it comes up in conversation; i.e. if your family/friends/acquaintances are discussing how logical Sheldon Cooper/Spock/[Insert Logical-Seeming Character/Person Here] is, try saying something along the lines of "Well, I can understand his thought process; I feel pretty logical, too," or "I wonder what it's like to think like that; I'm not very logical at all!) and see if others agree or disagree.


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17 Jan 2014, 5:16 pm

^^I could try that out I suppose.^^


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