Why is "Aspergers" gone?

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23 Feb 2014, 11:39 am

It's only gone according to the DSM. That might be the ruling authority in America but there are other bodies who decide on these things. Here in Australia, the DSM is only one source of information to base decisions on and not even the most popular one (he did tell me which one - 3 letters - British something of Psychiatry I think. Can't remember).

I was first diagnosed in 1995 and again last year. When I mentioned to my psychiatrist that AS doesn't exist any more, he explained it all to me and said here in Australia and many other countries they don't just go by the DSM and that Aspergers was still a valid and legitimate diagnosis.

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23 Feb 2014, 11:57 am

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Well, they did it, because the lines between HFA and AS became so blurred that nobody knew really where they were anymore. Some people with AS could fit the classic autism diagnosis in every way except for the speech delay, and some people with classic autism could fit AS more, but they did have a speech delay. Well, that's what I've learned.

With the changes now they finally acknowledge speech delay is one symptom of autism that not everyone with autism experiences. I never got the hyperfocusing on that one specific symptom separating aspergers from autism, never made sense....but now it seems to be viewed more correctly.

because some forms of autism are degenerative, i.e. more covered by insurance. My brother developed normally-ish until age 2-3 when his speach skills disappeared permanently, at least in 10 years they haven't noticeably improved.

I am confused on what exactly that has to do with the speech delay separating aspergers from autism, that is an example of losing speech skills not a delay in developing them.

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23 Feb 2014, 12:20 pm

I really don't like the term assburgers. Why hans decided to use his last name for this disorder without considering the consequences of such an embarrassing name I will never understand.

I am sure hans was teased at one point in his life about his last name and is aware that it sounds like assburgers...

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23 Feb 2014, 12:30 pm

Dreycrux wrote:

because the phonetic of "burgers" in german means city/town or something like that and isnt embarrassing necessarily.

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I am confused on what exactly that has to do with the speech delay separating aspergers from autism, that is an example of losing speech skills not a delay in developing them. Confused

me too, it was early.

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23 Feb 2014, 12:31 pm

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Are you joking or serious?

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23 Feb 2014, 12:34 pm

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Asperger called the condition "autistic psychopathy"
Lorna Wing is credited with widely popularizing the term "Asperger's syndrome"

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23 Feb 2014, 12:45 pm

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Are you joking or serious?

Completely serious, It makes me frustrated...how can this man name a condition with something that sounds like assburgers? Was he not consciously aware of this embarrassment? It sounds like assburgers...why would he name it that? as a cruel joke?

This guy was Australian.

I believe they took this into consideration when dropping assburger from the DSM 5. I am certain it had some influence on the decision to rename it ASD.

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23 Feb 2014, 12:49 pm

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Are you joking or serious?

Actually Austrian, the one by Germany where German is a common language...so I doubt he made the relation that in English it might sound like 'assburgers' also though that is not the correct pronunciation anyways.

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23 Feb 2014, 12:55 pm

When my friend told me that she has Asperger's before I even knew that I have it, she whispered it to me, because she said it sounded like the bad word and burgers, hehe.

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23 Feb 2014, 1:00 pm

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watch out though, theres often a pack of dogs to descend on and tear us apart when i utter this line of free thinking common sense ....

aspis to my mind crave friendships whereas autists are notoriously cold.

aspis often have talents and can soar above others with their abilities, autists (I hope I don't offend) seem like granite .... cold and inflexible, dead to inference and hint ..... maybe v occasionally with a super-functioning gift but near to odd as odd can be ....

it is scientifically, clinically, emotionally, legally unsupportable, taxanomically absurd, name what you want, to bunch these opposites/ extremes of outlook, perception and feelings as one label.

thats all my tired noodle can think of right now, ongoing fatigue is hindering me ....and no matter what i write it hardly makes a jot to those so hell bent on proceeding with the change ...

I don't know how you came to have these stereotypes of autism, I have never heard of autism described as "cold and inflexible, dead too inference and hint"'.
I have actually head Aspergers described in a similar way. although it is a stereotype based on ignorance.
You are free to keep your Asperger label. That is your choice if it is how you identify and it makes you feel better. The label is not going away in everyday use.
Btw, I am not affiliated with a pack of dogs.

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23 Feb 2014, 1:00 pm

Dreycrux wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

It wouldn't matter even if he was English because:

Marybird wrote:

Asperger called the condition "autistic psychopathy"
Lorna Wing is credited with widely popularizing the term "Asperger's syndrome"

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23 Feb 2014, 1:03 pm

animalcrackers wrote:

Dreycrux wrote:

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It wouldn't matter even if he was English because:

Marybird wrote:

Asperger called the condition "autistic psychopathy"
Lorna Wing is credited with widely popularizing the term "Asperger's syndrome"

But would he have had that last name if he was english?....also German being the language of the area effects the pronunciation. So it would sound different if someone german said it than if someone from say the U.S says it the correct way to say it would be with a german accent which doesn't quite sound like 'assburgers' not sure how to spell how it would sound.

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23 Feb 2014, 1:03 pm

animalcrackers wrote:

Dreycrux wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

It wouldn't matter even if he was English because:

Marybird wrote:

Asperger called the condition "autistic psychopathy"
Lorna Wing is credited with widely popularizing the term "Asperger's syndrome"

Lorna Wing is oblivious then. My same argument applies here. Why did she not consider the ramification of such a name?

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23 Feb 2014, 1:21 pm

Dreycrux wrote:

Lorna Wing is oblivious then. My same argument applies here. Why did she not consider the ramification of such a name?

It is common practice to name a syndrome after the person who defined it.
I don't understand why, It is certainly not descriptive of the syndrome. It just gives credit to the person who defined it, as if they owned it, which is totally absurd, imo.
Autism spectrum disorder makes much more sense.

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23 Feb 2014, 1:33 pm

Marybird wrote:

Dreycrux wrote:

Lorna Wing is oblivious then. My same argument applies here. Why did she not consider the ramification of such a name?

I am aware it is common...but in this case she should of made an exception. It irritates me to no end that she would go ahead and popularize such a term. Ass + Burgers. it is logic. 1+1 =2

You wouldn't name your kid first name "ass" middle name "burgers"...Usually when you name a kid you make sure it doesn't rhyme with anything that could be awkward or a play on words.

So lame...

"In and out" burger for example sounds like you eat the food then crap it out. Guys in suits actually sat around a big table and came up with this name?

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23 Feb 2014, 1:46 pm

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